Re: [libreoffice-website] Restoring the state of http://www.test.libreoffice.org

2010-12-07 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

-1?

test.libreoffice.org is a test site at the present time and it's 2
minutes work to unpublish the pages you want to see online and then
publish the ones you do want to see. Then, perhaps in a couple of
days, we can arrive at a final selection of content for the site? It's
not like the site is at a final state of completion - there's hardly
any real content drafted at all.

I'm proposing to jump in and start doing some copy-writing - if any
one has an IA to point me at, I'd be very interested to see it and see
what I can contribute in line with that.

If not, I'll start figuring some proposals out... is there any one
actually playing a lead role in this process? ;-)

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download convenience, here and now?

2010-12-07 Thread Stefan Weigel
David,

Am 07.12.2010 12:34, schrieb David Nelson:

 Our users are *not* supposed to be downloading from the test site.

I do not propose that users download from the test site. I am asking
for quick improvement of the currently official download page
http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/.

 test.libreoffice.org is a test and staging facility

No, it´s the construction site.

The test site is: http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download convenience, here and now?

2010-12-07 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *,

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Stefan Weigel
stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote:
 Am 07.12.2010 12:34, schrieb David Nelson:

 Our users are *not* supposed to be downloading from the test site.

 I do not propose that users download from the test site. I am asking
 for quick improvement of the currently official download page
 http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/.

 test.libreoffice.org is a test and staging facility

 No, it´s the construction site.

Yes, exactly. When going live just the test will be removed from the
URL, but the contents will be the same.

 The test site is: http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780

Correct again. All technical stuff affecting the CMS will be tried out
there before going live.
Also if you want to try major changes to the theme (the css), I'm
happy to try them out on pumbaa first.

ciao
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-design] Fwd: LibO-3.3-rc1 download icons still mentions beta

2010-12-07 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Bernhard, *,

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Bernhard Dippold
bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:
 Florian Effenberger schrieb:
 [Buttons for downloads refer to beta, need updating]

 But as this page will probably not survive the next weekend, I don't know if
 it is worthwhile to update the graphics.

 As Christian asked to remove these buttons or to provide a lot more of
 them[1], I'd wait for the website team for their opinion.

 [1]: http://go.mail-archive.com/vjgRhybcXUeO0DID6G3F3noyEDw=

Yes, I'd love to have different buttons to be able to distinguish the
various OS and architectures we have, and also put non-english
(languagepacks) on the same level as english.
(and I also forgot about BT, that could be symbolized by adding two
up/downward facing arrows)

IMHO it is bad to have a big button for english-only download, and
then have the user to find a tiny, regular link for their language.
(or not being able to distinguish rpm from deb, x86_64 from x86)
But I'm open for suggestions, as long as it can be done with css, I'm
happy to add it...

ciao
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-design] Fwd: LibO-3.3-rc1 download icons still mentions beta

2010-12-07 Thread Cor Nouws

Christian Lohmaier wrote (07-12-10 14:05)

Yes, I'd love to have different buttons to be able to distinguish the
various OS and architectures we have, and also put non-english
(languagepacks) on the same level as english.
(and I also forgot about BT, that could be symbolized by adding two
up/downward facing arrows)

IMHO it is bad to have a big button for english-only download, and
then have the user to find a tiny, regular link for their language.
(or not being able to distinguish rpm from deb, x86_64 from x86)
But I'm open for suggestions, as long as it can be done with css, I'm
happy to add it...


You'll probably be aware off the discussion around the packaging / 
installation. This might influence the work that is needed in the end...


Regards,
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download convenience, here and now?

2010-12-07 Thread Samuel Gómez
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi Samuel,

 2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez fuljen...@gmail.com:
 As a first shot, this script hides unwanted list items.
 [...]
 http://vipinnova.com/libreoffice/download/transitional/

 Sorry, but what problem of the current version
 (https://test.libreoffice.org/download-3/ or
 http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/home/download-and-sub/ )

 does it solve?

Assuming test and pumba versions can't, mine can be applied now.

Of course I would prefer to apply test or pumba now, but I don't know how.

I just was trying to provide a transitional improvement over the current page.



What are unwanted list items on those pages?

unwanted would mean unrecommended. just as firefox download page
recommends only the package for your current system.




 I surely don't want to prevent a linux user from downloading a Windows
 version, or a Mac user from downloading Linux, or a 32bit user from
 downloading 64bit, etc.

I added a show all versions button.

Demo:
http://vipinnova.com/libreoffice/download/transitional/2/

Code:
http://vipinnova.com/libreoffice/download/transitional/2/package-negotiation.js




 So very bad from my POV.

 Bad: It still ignores .debs and langpacks.
 Good: Does not require any change on the page, but adding the code itself.

 Changing the page itself would not be a problem.

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[libreoffice-website] Re: Style sheets and pages for test.libreoffice.org

2010-12-07 Thread David Nelson
Hi Christian, :-)

I looked through http://www.documentfoundation.org/css/style.css

It seems to me that the styles we specifically need are the ones below
(I tried to strip out all the stuff that is already handled in the
theme's existing styles)

See below.

David Nelson


h2 {
padding: 20px 0 10px 0;
}

h2, h3 {
color: #0e9cee;
}

h4 {
margin-top: 1em;
}


div.pre {
margin:0;
padding:0;
border:0;
font-weight:inherit;
font-style:inherit;
font-size:100%;
vertical-align:baseline;
margin-bottom:18px;
background:#eee;
border:1px solid #ddd;
padding:12px;
width: 38em;
}

#download {
font-size: 300%;
float: right;
text-align: center;
padding: 0.25em;
}


#right-nav {
float: right;
margin-left: auto;
margin-right: auto;
padding: 10px;
margin: 0;
}

#rnav {
position: relative;
margin: 0 0 0 0;
}
#rnav li {
list-style: none;
margin-left: 0px;
padding: 0;
display: block;
width: 320px;
}
#rnav li a {
text-indent: -px;
float: right;
width: 320px;
height: 50px;
display: block;
margin-left: 4px;
margin-right: 4px;
margin-top: 6px;
margin-bottom: 6px;
font-size: 100%;
color: #00;
font-weight: bold;
text-decoration: none;
text-align: left;
}

#rnav li.rnav-birthday a {
height: 400px;
width: 400px;   
background: url(/img/anniversary-small.png) no-repeat;
}
#rnav li.rnav-download a {
height: 81px;
background:
url(/img/controls/ControlElement_Button_DownloadLibreOffice_Default.png)
no-repeat;
}
#rnav li.rnav-download a:hover {
background:
url(/img/controls/ControlElement_Button_DownloadLibreOffice_Mouseover.png)
no-repeat;
}

#rnav li.rnav-blue a {
background:
url(/img/controls/ControlElement_Button_Wide_Blue_Default.png)
no-repeat;
}
#rnav li.rnav-blue a:hover {
background:
url(/img/controls/ControlElement_Button_Wide_Blue_Mouseover.png)
no-repeat;
}

#rnav li.rnav-green a {
background:
url(/img/controls/ControlElement_Button_Wide_Green_Default.png)
no-repeat;
}
#rnav li.rnav-green a:hover {
background:
url(/img/controls/ControlElement_Button_Wide_Green_Mouseover.png)
no-repeat;
}

#rnav li.rnav-magenta a {
background:
url(/img/controls/ControlElement_Button_Wide_Magenta_Default.png)
no-repeat;
}
#rnav li.rnav-magenta a:hover {
background:
url(/img/controls/ControlElement_Button_Wide_Magenta_Mouseover.png)
no-repeat;
}

#rnav li.rnav-orange a {
background:
url(/img/controls/ControlElement_Button_Wide_Orange_Default.png)
no-repeat;
}
#rnav li.rnav-orange a:hover {
background:
url(/img/controls/ControlElement_Button_Wide_Orange_Mouseover.png)
no-repeat;
}

#right-download {
float: right;
margin-left: auto;
margin-right: auto;
padding: 10px;
margin: 0;
}

#right-download img {
margin-left: auto;
margin-right: auto;
}

#screenshot-slide img {
float: right;
margin-left: auto;
margin-right: auto;
background-repeat: no-repeat;
width: 350px;
height: 280px;
}


a:focus,
a:hover { color: #053552; text-decoration: underline;}
a   { color: #0E9CEE; text-decoration: none; }
a:visited   { color: #0369A3; }


#dev-tools {
position: relative;
float: right;
width: 15em;
margin-left: 0.5em;
padding-left: 1em;
border-left: thin solid #ccc;
overflow: hidden;
}
#dev-tools dl {}
#dev-tools dt {
clear: both;
}
#dev-tools dd {
position: relative;
overflow: hidden;
}
#dev-tools dd form {
display: block;
width: 100%;
text-align: right;
}

#dev-tools label a {
float: left;
min-width: 10ex;
text-align: right;
padding: 0 1ex;
}


#welcome {
margin-left: 0px;
margin-top: 20px;
width: 500px;
}

#welcome li {
position: relative;
list-style: none;
margin-left: 0px;
background: url(/img/controls/li-bullet-single-dark.png) no-repeat;
background-position: 4px 8px;
padding-left: 30px;
display: block;
color: #000;
margin-bottom: 20px;
margin-top: 10px;
}

#welcome a:hover {
   text-decoration: underline;
}


.list-libreoffice ul, li {
position: relative;
list-style: none;
margin-left: 0px;
background: url(/img/controls/li-bullet-single-dark.png) no-repeat;
background-position: 4px 8px;
padding-left: 30px;
display: block;

Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

2010-12-07 Thread Carlos Jenkins
El 6 de diciembre de 2010 13:13, Samuel Gómez fuljen...@gmail.comescribió:

 See:
 http://vipinnova.com/libreoffice/download/package-negotiation.js


Samuel I see the script much better!


 OK now, I took the most popular distros from
 http://distrowatch.com/stats.php?section=popularity
 and made this:

if (ua.indexOf('Ubuntu')  -1 ||
ua.indexOf('Mint')  -1 ||
ua.indexOf('Debian')  -1 ||
ua.indexOf('Arch')  -1)return 'deb';

if (ua.indexOf('Fedora')  -1 ||
ua.indexOf('SUSE')  -1 ||
ua.indexOf('PCLinuxOS')  -1 ||
ua.indexOf('Mandriva')  -1)return 'rpm';

 Does anyone know if any of these package manager associations is wrong?

Don't know either, but it looks good.

And, about the user agent infixes, I'm not sure of it for Arch. I'd
 say the rest are OK.

Now we need just to test it. Can you provide an URL for a HTML document with
that associated JS to ask people to test it please :D


 Thank you!

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Introducing myself

2010-12-07 Thread Carlos Jenkins
Hi Samuel

El 5 de diciembre de 2010 13:08, Samuel Gómez fuljen...@gmail.comescribió:

 Excellent. I had some intense experience with Drupal last summer. Not
 so intense regarding modules, but I'll learn more about them.

 Do you have a Drupal installed somewhere for testing?

http://libreofficeaustralia.org/

And welcome :D We need help on the Drupal Team. I'm a little busy right now
and I'm working on a theme for LibreOffice on the Design list, I hope to
have time this weekend to continue the work with Michael Wheatland and the
Drupal Team.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

2010-12-07 Thread Carlos Jenkins
2010/12/7 Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com

 Hi,

 2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez fuljen...@gmail.com:
  http://vipinnova.com/libreoffice/download/client-test.html

Thanks Samuel.


  I went to this website, clicked on the demo button and the
 recommendation for me was deb/x86.
 The architecture was correct, but since I'm using Mandriva, deb isn't
 the right choice for me.

 I'm using chromium browser if this is important.

Thanks Sigrid, could you provide the User Agent listed on that page please,
just after It works based on your user agent string, which in your case
is 

My recommendation was x86/deb so everything is ok, both on Chromium and
Firefox

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

2010-12-07 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi Samuel,

2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez fuljen...@gmail.com:
 On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Sigrid Carrera 
 sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez fuljen...@gmail.com:
  On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Carlos Jenkins hastciber...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 [...]

  http://vipinnova.com/libreoffice/download/client-test.html

 I went to this website, clicked on the demo button and the
 recommendation for me was deb/x86.
 The architecture was correct, but since I'm using Mandriva, deb isn't
 the right choice for me.

 I'm using chromium browser if this is important.


 Thank you!

 What's your user agent? (you'll find it under It works based on your user
 agent string, which in your case is)

I just copied the whole line:

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.2 (KHTML, like
Gecko) Chrome/6.0.454.0 Safari/534.2

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

2010-12-07 Thread Samuel Gómez
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Sigrid Carrera 
sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi Samuel,

 2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez fuljen...@gmail.com:
  On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Sigrid Carrera 
  sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez fuljen...@gmail.com:
   On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Carlos Jenkins 
 hastciber...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  [...]
 
   http://vipinnova.com/libreoffice/download/client-test.html
 
  I went to this website, clicked on the demo button and the
  recommendation for me was deb/x86.
  The architecture was correct, but since I'm using Mandriva, deb isn't
  the right choice for me.
 
  I'm using chromium browser if this is important.
 
 
  Thank you!
 
  What's your user agent? (you'll find it under It works based on your
 user
  agent string, which in your case is)

 I just copied the whole line:


(yes yes)



 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.2 (KHTML, like
 Gecko) Chrome/6.0.454.0 Safari/534.2


OK. There it is. From  your user agent we can say you are using linux 32 bit
but not which distro. For this scenario the function guesses Ubuntu, so it
returns 'deb'.

The decision of guessing Ubuntu is purely statistical. Not religious. ;D

How could we gather more clues about the distro for these scenarios? If only
I knew.





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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

2010-12-07 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Samuel, *,

2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez fuljen...@gmail.com:
 [...]
 What's your user agent? (you'll find it under It works based on your user
 agent string, which in your case is)

Change the default to rpm instead of deb, that should give more
suitable fallback anyway.

https://test.libreoffice.org/download-3/

ciao
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

2010-12-07 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi,


2010/12/7 Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com:
 Hi Carlos, *,

 On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Carlos Jenkins hastciber...@gmail.com wrote:
 2010/12/7 Christian Lohmaier
 lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.comlohmaier%2booofut...@googlemail.com
 2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez fuljen...@gmail.com:
  [...]

[...]

 A lot of Distros and configuration doesn't show the Distro, so, why RPM?

 Because those that do, are debian based.

Please don't start a religious rpm/deb war.
Clearly, my user agent doesn't state the distro either, and mine isn't
deb-based. :)

 As
 Samuel stated, based on statistics, the more common is DEB,

 What statistics please?

 so let put the
 default the DEB one.

 Even if overall downloads would be more deb than rpm, then those with
 unknown system would be rpm in majority, as debian rebrands firefox,
 etc, and ubuntu also modifies user-agent string. RPM based distros
 usually don't.

I don't mind having the script default to deb, as long as I have the
option to choose a different version to download. :)

I think I am capable enough to decide which package to download for
installation.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

2010-12-07 Thread Samuel Gómez
2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez fuljen...@gmail.com:
 On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Sigrid Carrera
 sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez fuljen...@gmail.com:
 On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Carlos Jenkins 
 hastciber...@gmail.comwrote:

 [...]

 http://vipinnova.com/libreoffice/download/client-test.html

 I went to this website, clicked on the demo button and the
 recommendation for me was deb/x86.
 The architecture was correct, but since I'm using Mandriva, deb isn't
 the right choice for me.

 Try this:
 http://www.opera.com/browser/download/?ver=11.00b1

 If it detects Mandriva I'll crazy go nuts.

 For me is detecting Ubuntu but I don't know why. I'd say it guesses.



I see the action is taken server-side because the HTML is served with
the Ubuntu item already selected.

But the issue remains the same. Browsers don't tell servers more than
the user-agent, the accepted languages, some cookies, and several
other things independent from the OS.



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[libreoffice-website]

2010-12-07 Thread Seb
Hi Website list,
Just a quick message to introduce myself. So of you may know me from
oo.o I used to participate in the art project. However I'm actually a
system administrator so I figured I might be able to lend a hand
around  here.

I have over 10 years experience with Linux system, Apache, mysql, bind
etc. I do html, php and can hack togheter bash and the odd perl script
where need. So If can help with anything let me know.

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[libreoffice-website] Website Design Package Available Checklist Question (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Fwd: LibO-3.3-rc1 download icons still mentions beta)

2010-12-07 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Bernhard, all!

Well, this topic has been open since quite a while ... so finally just
doing something is better than waiting forever ;-)

This mail addresses two topics:
  * the availability of the Website Design Package
  * the question whether an update checklist does make sense

Am Dienstag, den 07.12.2010, 13:33 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
  can someone take care of this?
 
 As Christoph provided the graphics, it's probably easiest for him to 
 take care and provide updated graphics (CC'ing him)...
 
 But as this page will probably not survive the next weekend, I don't 
 know if it is worthwhile to update the graphics.

The good news (to me) is, that I won't be able to update the graphics;
time constraints :-\

But, I finally managed to upload the graphics package to the wiki. So
if there is any need, it should be very simple to export the updated
graphics (file names can be found in a sub-folder). I already removed
the Beta from the buttons ... but please have in mind that these
graphics were created some time ago, so they don't correspond with the
current branding guidelines (small color differences that might not
matter that much).

You can find the graphics at Create and Publish Website Artwork:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Work_Items#Work_Items

Basically, it is the source file of what I've presented some time ago in
a blog posting:
http://luxate.blogspot.com/2010/11/website-progress-and-looking-back.html

Bernhard, anybody - could you please take care of this issue while I'm
away? If the website team responds / comes up with a decision, we should
try to remove the release blocking issue. Thanks!

 As Christian asked to remove these buttons or to provide a lot more of
 them[1], I'd wait for the website team for their opinion. 

We had this discussion before (privately, some time ago), when the .DEB
files were made available on the download page. We came to the
conclusion that too many (large) buttons might make this problem even
worse. Therefore I played with some designs, e.g. grouping buttons and
just adding some small lines below.

Thus, although the script solution may look odd, it is the superior
solution, or? And since I am a bit lost in the recent discussions - is
there any agreement what script / site design to use? May it be helpful
to have a look at it - from the Design Team's perspective (usability and
such stuff)?

New topic ...

Since it feels really odd to have missed the RC1 release and the update
of the buttons. Do you think it will be helpful to have some kind of
checklist that does contain all the stuff that is required in advance? I
know, we do have very experienced people and things will settle (a.k.a.
be done automagically ...), but I'd like to hear your opinion on that.
The update of the website (graphics) may be part of this ...

When I worked on the branding page, I started a (tiny) list to not
forget anybody if the branding is updated:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Update_Policy

Bye,
Christoph


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Website Design Package Available Checklist Question (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Fwd: LibO-3.3-rc1 download icons still mentions beta)

2010-12-07 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Christoph, *,

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:40 PM, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com wrote:
 Am Dienstag, den 07.12.2010, 13:33 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
 [...]
 As Christian asked to remove these buttons or to provide a lot more of
 them[1], I'd wait for the website team for their opinion.
 [...]
 Thus, although the script solution may look odd, it is the superior
 solution, or?

Oh, if you got the impression that all button shall be displayed at
once, then no, this is not the case. The only thing I had in mind was
to turn the filtered links, the ones matching the dropdown selection
into buttons. So there would be at most two shown at a time, but of
course different ones depending on what the user chooses for
OS/language.

So the minimum is to have windows multi and windows all, and for the
others full installer and language pack buttons.

 And since I am a bit lost in the recent discussions - is
 there any agreement what script / site design to use?

The script here: http://test.libreoffice.org/download-3 the stuff
starting with the selection listboxes is automatically generated, and
hopefully the javascript based selection will preselect the proper
version for 90% of the visitors.

 May it be helpful
 to have a look at it - from the Design Team's perspective (usability and
 such stuff)?

Well - sure, feedback is welcome, although design is pretty much left
to css. Feedback is always welcome though.

 New topic ...
 [checklist to not forget things like updating beta→rc1 and stuff]

Yes, this surely would be helpful, although this time rc1 was kind of
rushed out because of slight misunderstandings.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

2010-12-07 Thread Seb
Hi,
Sorry I just joined and probably missed half this discussion.

Wouldn't it be acceptable to have a page similar to the opera
(http://www.opera.com/browser/download/) download page and when the
page can detect you distro it focuses the drop down to you distro. If
it cannot identify it just focuses the menu to please select you
distribution.

The the second drop down for 32 or 64bit.

cheers,
Seb.


On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Carlos Jenkins hastciber...@gmail.com wrote:
 Again, for Christian:

 [Debian] Chrome

 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.3 (KHTML, like
 Gecko) Chrome/6.0.472.63 Safari/534.3

 [Debian] Iceweasel

 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; es-AR; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101028
 Iceweasel/3.5.15 (like Firefox/3.5.15)

 [Ubuntu] SeaMonkey

 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027
 SeaMonkey/2.0.10

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[libreoffice-website] Re: Download page

2010-12-07 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2010-12-07 16:30, Samuel Gómez a écrit :


Try this:
http://www.opera.com/browser/download/?ver=11.00b1

If it detects Mandriva I'll crazy go nuts.

For me is detecting Ubuntu but I don't know why. I'd say it guesses.




Correctly detects Mandriva 64 bits for me.

Marc


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[libreoffice-website] Re: (unknown)

2010-12-07 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2010-12-07 17:03, Seb a écrit :

Hi Website list,
Just a quick message to introduce myself. So of you may know me from
oo.o I used to participate in the art project. However I'm actually a
system administrator so I figured I might be able to lend a hand
around  here.

I have over 10 years experience with Linux system, Apache, mysql, bind
etc. I do html, php and can hack togheter bash and the odd perl script
where need. So If can help with anything let me know.

Seb



Hi Seb:

Nice to have you around. Just jump in if you think you can help out. 
There is still a lot to do.


Marc


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