Damn, I can't find that old email. I thought I had a fairly
compelling argument;) Here's what I see as the key practical
advantages:
* it allows you to quickly create distribution packages in a variety
of different formats: binary-tarball, src-tarball, rpm, deb, windows
installer, etc.
* it
Err...
Why do I always have to be the fly in the ointment?
I don't see the point of Disutils for Webware. Webware is not a library, at
least not really. It's an application. There are parts of it that can be
used as a library, but that hasn't been the focus for a long time. On
Linux, I don't
Karl Putland wrote:
> I'm trying to understand the whole transaction mechanism in WebKit.
>
> I attempted to subclass page calling it DatabasePage with methods
> for connection management and hook a hook around sleep to manage
> the commit/rollback for the page. This works well for pages
> witho
Tavis Rudd wrote:
> How about starting with the distutils stuff? It's one part that
> should be fairly easy to isolate and apply to the official codebase
> as a patch. I'll do some work on this later this week. I'd
> appreciate any comments on the code (thanks Jeff) and the ideas
> behind i
On Tuesday 02 April 2002 13:21, Jeffrey P Shell wrote:
> On 4/2/02 2:51 PM, "Tavis Rudd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > How about starting with the distutils stuff? It's one part that
> > should be fairly easy to isolate and apply to the official
> > codebase as a patch. I'll do some work on thi
On 4/2/02 2:51 PM, "Tavis Rudd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How about starting with the distutils stuff? It's one part that
> should be fairly easy to isolate and apply to the official codebase
> as a patch. I'll do some work on this later this week. I'd
> appreciate any comments on the code
On Tuesday 02 April 2002 12:59, Tavis Rudd wrote:
> On Tuesday 02 April 2002 11:01, Geoffrey Talvola wrote:
> > If we could decouple the changes from each other, and have a
> > separate discussion of the merits of each proposed change, then
> > phase in the new features gradually as patches, then
On Tuesday 02 April 2002 12:59, Tavis Rudd wrote:
> I've politely asked for cvs access several times to be
> able to work on a branch, but never got any response.
Actually, that's not totally correct. I never got any 'definitive
response', just a sort of implied no. Anyway, it's not a big
On Tuesday 02 April 2002 11:01, Geoffrey Talvola wrote:
> Kendall Clark wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 01:15:23PM -0500, Geoffrey Talvola wrote:
> > > Actually, I don't mind if other major work goes into
> >
> > Webware before 1.0,
> >
> > > like Jay's multi-application version of WebKit or so
On 4/2/02 1:02 PM, "Tavis Rudd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've already done it :)
> see Setup.py and Component.py in
> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/expwebware/Webware/Webware/
>
> I'm still waiting for feedback on it before I do anything more.
Those look nice. Some feedbac
On 4/2/02 1:02 PM, "Tavis Rudd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've already done it :)
> see Setup.py and Component.py in
> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/expwebware/Webware/Webware/
>
> I'm still waiting for feedback on it before I do anything more.
Those look nice. Some feedbac
On Tuesday 02 April 2002 10:41, Geoffrey Talvola wrote:
> Tavis Rudd wrote:
> > On Tuesday 02 April 2002 06:55, you wrote:
> > > Now that 0.7 is out, I think it's high time that we moved
> > > Webware in the direction of a 1.0 release. What things still
> > > need to be done?
> >
> > In order of
Kendall Clark wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 01:15:23PM -0500, Geoffrey Talvola wrote:
> > Actually, I don't mind if other major work goes into
> Webware before 1.0,
> > like Jay's multi-application version of WebKit or some of Tavis's
> > experimental work. I just want to make sure we're maki
Tavis Rudd wrote:
>
> On Tuesday 02 April 2002 10:20, you wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > Distutils is pretty much an expectation nowadays for Python
> > > packages. If not by 1.0, then soon after. If we combine that
> > > with a test suite, people will be able to install, test and
> >
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 11:43:01AM -0800, Tavis Rudd wrote:
> > I'm guessing here, but I suspect this should be a combination of
> > PyUnit tests and some kind of Web app testing framework; a friend
> > of mine's coworker, Keyton Weissinger, has just released a Web app
> > testing framework, whic
On Tuesday 02 April 2002 10:20, you wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Distutils is pretty much an expectation nowadays for Python
> > packages. If not by 1.0, then soon after. If we combine that
> > with a test suite, people will be able to install, test and
> > uninstall Webware with the sta
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 12:57:01PM -0500, Edmund Lian wrote:
>
> >>Ahem, that's "a builit-in uninstall", not "AI built-in uninstall"<<
>
> But AI is not completely off the mark. I thought you were alluding to the
> general difficulty of doing an uninstall. I've seen two different solutions
> to
Tavis Rudd wrote:
> On Tuesday 02 April 2002 06:55, you wrote:
> > Now that 0.7 is out, I think it's high time that we moved Webware
> > in the direction of a 1.0 release. What things still need to be
> > done?
>
> In order of priority:
>
> - completely automated test suite, that is easy to add
On Tuesday 02 April 2002 10:28, Matt Feifarek wrote:
> | Matt,
> | until Webware is repackaged for distutils installation I don't
> | think it makes any sense to create a .deb package.
>
> I agree.
...
> I agree that we should shelve this issue.
But we should definitely revisit this once the tran
On Tuesday 02 April 2002 09:56, Kendall Clark wrote:
> > "tavis" == Tavis Rudd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> tavis> On Tuesday 02 April 2002 06:55, you wrote:
> >> Now that 0.7 is out, I think it's high time that we moved
> >> Webware in the direction of a 1.0 release. What things sti
| Matt,
| until Webware is repackaged for distutils installation I don't think
| it makes any sense to create a .deb package.
I agree.
| I disagree. It makes sense for the core Webware packages to be
| installed to PYTHONHOME/site-packages and config files and servlet
| directories to be kept e
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 10:42:54AM -0800, Tavis Rudd wrote:
> On Tuesday 02 April 2002 06:55, you wrote:
> > Now that 0.7 is out, I think it's high time that we moved Webware
> > in the direction of a 1.0 release. What things still need to be
> > done?
>
> In order of priority:
That's quite a b
On Tue, 2002-04-02 at 12:04, Edmund Lian wrote:
>
> Matt wrote:
>
> >>It's possible (likely?) that Webware cannot be installed according to the
> debian guidelines.<<
>
> I like the monolithic install as it is, even though I use Debian. Sprinking
> the files all over the filesystem as per Debia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Distutils is pretty much an expectation nowadays for Python packages.
> If not by 1.0, then soon after. If we combine that with a test
> suite, people will be able to install, test and uninstall Webware
> with the standard Python package tools. (Although distutils
>
Matt,
until Webware is repackaged for distutils installation I don't think
it makes any sense to create a .deb package.
On Tuesday 02 April 2002 09:42, you wrote:
> | /usr/share/webware/ for library modules (most of Webware).
> | /usr/bin/ for wrapper scripts run from the command line
> | (MakeA
Kendall Clark wrote:
> There are a few minor tweaks I suspect to get in before 1.0 as well,
> but I'd say the big things are the testing framework, distutils,
> better docs, and logging solution.
Actually, I don't mind if other major work goes into Webware before 1.0,
like Jay's multi-application
Matt wrote:
>>It's possible (likely?) that Webware cannot be installed according to the
debian guidelines.<<
I like the monolithic install as it is, even though I use Debian. Sprinking
the files all over the filesystem as per Debian policy assumes that only
one copy of Webware is active on the
> "tavis" == Tavis Rudd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
tavis> On Tuesday 02 April 2002 06:55, you wrote:
>> Now that 0.7 is out, I think it's high time that we moved Webware
>> in the direction of a 1.0 release. What things still need to be
>> done?
tavis> In order of priority:
ta
>>Ahem, that's "a builit-in uninstall", not "AI built-in uninstall"<<
But AI is not completely off the mark. I thought you were alluding to the
general difficulty of doing an uninstall. I've seen two different solutions
to the problem of figuring out what was installed in the first place, and
ne
| /usr/share/webware/ for library modules (most of Webware).
| /usr/bin/ for wrapper scripts run from the command line (MakeAppWorkDir).
| /etc/webware/ for configuration files (edited by sysadmin).
| ~/.webware for usr-modified configuration files.
[etc]
Well, it really doesn't seem that webwar
On Tuesday 02 April 2002 06:55, you wrote:
> Now that 0.7 is out, I think it's high time that we moved Webware
> in the direction of a 1.0 release. What things still need to be
> done?
In order of priority:
- completely automated test suite, that is easy to add new tests to
- distutils support
On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Chuck Esterbrook wrote:
> Here's an approach that could work for you:
> - Write Python servlets (*.py) for all your pages.
>
> - Invoke self.writeFragment() to get the correct HTML peices.
>
> self.writeFragment('header')
Yes, I've done some of this with Webware. It
Sorry if you got this twice but I didn't see it go through to the
list.
I'm trying to understand the whole transaction mechanism in WebKit.
I attempted to subclass page calling it DatabasePage with methods
for connection management and hook a hook around sleep to manage
the commit/rollback for
Matt wrote:
>>Another variable is getting it hooked into apache, if apache is there.<<
You'll also need to do something about Webware dependencies. E.g., Webware
depends on Python 2.x, but suggests Apache, cern-httpd, thttpd, etc.
...Edmund.
___
We
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 07:28:35AM -0800, Mike Orr wrote:
> (Although distutils
> doesn't seem to have ai built-in uninstall support yet.)
Ahem, that's "a builit-in uninstall", not "AI built-in uninstall".
--
-Mike (Iron) Orr, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (if mail problems: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
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On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 09:55:08AM -0500, Geoffrey Talvola wrote:
> Now that 0.7 is out, I think it's high time that we moved Webware in the
> direction of a 1.0 release. What things still need to be done?
>
> But in my opinion, it's only the lack of automated testing that really
> prevents us f
It would be spiffy to have a debian package -- it would go hand-in-hand
with getting Webware to install with distutils and generally codifying
policy. It should be possible to make PSP files work out-of-the-box.
Some user intervention into httpd.conf will be required to get non-PSP
servlets to w
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Hi,
who is working on the PostgreSQL adaptor for Webware?
I would like to follow.
Consider the following items and give your opinions:
* there's no unsigned type. Should be create a new type, or leave it as bigint.
(Anyway it will be big enough.)
* there's no enum type. I still don't know how
I use Debian although I'm not a developer. The information is at
http://www.debian.org/devel/ . If you want to submit a .deb to
the Debian Project, it's a lot of overhead and complication to package
it up according to all the rules, get your PGP key signed, etc. If we
just distribute the .deb o
Hello list.
I was thinking that it would be nice of us to make a debian package (.deb)
of webware.
What steps would be required to get webware fully installed, and running on
a debian box? Here's a starter list; please contribute.
0. check for required dependencies (python 2+)
1. uncompress web
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