Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Xant]

Acknowledged, and think we are in same page.

As posted 'OWM "triggers" (which OWM calls "alerts")'. Thus, it's 
"triggers", and not alerts as DarkSky. 

Still, better than complete removal of weather flag as PWS owner can adjust 
to be notified at heart's contempt.

X

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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[William Burton]

Hello,

On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 9:44:26 PM UTC-4, Xant wrote:
>
>
> Ok... so, what about OWM "triggers" (which OWM calls "alerts"), and its 
> also available to all services - free, included.
>

Be careful! Pat was correct when he said OWM does not support alerts. The 
alerts in OWM are not at all the same as alerts in DarkSky which are 
textual time-sensitive messages that are relayed from the local weather 
service that warn of severe weather of some kind.

Even if OWM had the same kind of alerts as DarkSky, the free plan only 
allows for 50 API calls a day compared to over 1000 for DarkSky. So if you 
poll the forecast API once an hour to get forecast data, that only leaves 
26 API calls for alerts which means polling for them only once an hour 
which is not often enough for time-sensitive information.

However, the OWM alert API is to implement custom triggers so one can be 
alerted when certain weather conditions change beyond a certain 
user-defined threshold such as for temperature or wind, etc. The API does 
not return textual alert messages from the local weather service the way 
DarkSky does.

In any case, when and if alerts are supported, they should be checked in a 
more timely manner than forecasting data. However, some alerts are so 
time-sensitive that several minutes can mean life or death. So alerts 
should show some disclaimer that they may be delayed and not to rely on the 
site for critical weather information and decision making.

-Bill


> We invite you to try our new product - the weather alerts which are based 
> on our meteorological data.
> Now you can use simple syntax and a few API methods to create triggers 
> which will fire on an occurrence of the selected weather conditions 
> (temperature, humidity, pressure, etc.) in a specified period of time
> If the trigger's conditions are met, our service will generate an alert. 
> In order to receive this alert you need to poll the service with the 
> specified time interval. We plan to add push notifications and new data 
> sources to this product's functionality in the nearest future.
>
> Available for both Free and paid subscriptions
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> https://openweathermap.org/triggers
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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Xant]

Thinking forward, it can be more than an "replacement" to DarkSky alerts... 
it can be "an evolution"!

The owner of PWS anywhere in the World already knows the weather pattern 
more than anybody else... so, with OWM triggers, one would make their 
weather conditions to send alerts, not depending of ANY global weather 
agency or their pattern... one would create their own... independent, 
anywhere/globally.

Also as posted, in the near future OWM will even implement send push 
notifications (and WeeWX/Belchertown will be ready).

It hurts to see alerts to go... the above can be the next step, evolution.

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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Xant]

Ok... so, what about OWM "triggers" (which OWM calls "alerts"), and its 
also available to all services - free, included.

We invite you to try our new product - the weather alerts which are based 
on our meteorological data.
Now you can use simple syntax and a few API methods to create triggers 
which will fire on an occurrence of the selected weather conditions 
(temperature, humidity, pressure, etc.) in a specified period of time
If the trigger's conditions are met, our service will generate an alert. In 
order to receive this alert you need to poll the service with the specified 
time interval. We plan to add push notifications and new data sources to 
this product's functionality in the nearest future.

Available for both Free and paid subscriptions

https://openweathermap.org/triggers


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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Pat]

Alerts come from DarkSky's internal AI aggregation with direct links to the 
source. This works for multiple countries and not just weather.gov. 

OWM does not have this type of setup or service. So alerts will be removed 
in Belchertown skin v1.2

On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 3:39:49 PM UTC-4, Xant wrote:
>
>
> Pat
>
> Just curious how Alerts works, and how it may depend on DarkSky. 
>
> Got alert today regarding Wind Advisory in effect until 10 April 2020 
> 00:00 
> .
>  
> Which has a link to "https://alerts.weather.gov;.
>
> So, it seems that alerts coming from Weather.gov, not DarkSky itself. Is 
> DarkSky the "trigger" or else? Moving to OWM would still be able to get 
> alerts for weather.gov?
>
> Xant
>

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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Xant]

Pat

Just curious how Alerts works, and how it may depend on DarkSky. 

Got alert today regarding Wind Advisory in effect until 10 April 2020 00:00 
.
 
Which has a link to "https://alerts.weather.gov;.

So, it seems that alerts coming from Weather.gov, not DarkSky itself. Is 
DarkSky the "trigger" or else? Moving to OWM would still be able to get 
alerts for weather.gov?

Xant

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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Colin Larsen]

Plan approved :) :)

But make sure you get some sleep too (and your good wife of course!)

Colin

On Thu, 9 Apr 2020, 03:52 G Hammer,  wrote:

> Sounds like a plan.
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 10:31 AM Pat  wrote:
>
>> Think I'll release 1.1 as it stands right now as soon as I can, then work
>> on OWM as part of the update for 1.2 and retire DarkSky in the skin for 1.2.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 10:01:21 PM UTC-4, Xant wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Colin
>>>
>>> I honor that! And, indeed, brought a smile in my face! (we need that
>>> good humor spirit nowadays...)
>>>
>>> Either one is fine...
>>>
>>> BTW, Pat can not have a good night sleep he has a newborn...  :
>>>
>>> X
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:41:40 PM UTC-4, Colin Larsen wrote:

 If there is a vote going I like OWM :) Good luck with that sleep thing
 pat!

 Cheers
 Colin

 On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:32, G Hammer  wrote:

> 3AM is a great time to introduce them to coding 
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 9:30 PM Pat  wrote:
>
>> Right. OWM is more of a drop in replacement so I'm leaning that way.
>>
>> Still, this all requires me to get some spare time and a full night's
>> sleep. Newborns aren't very cooperative with their parents hobbies :-)
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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[G Hammer]

Sounds like a plan.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 10:31 AM Pat  wrote:

> Think I'll release 1.1 as it stands right now as soon as I can, then work
> on OWM as part of the update for 1.2 and retire DarkSky in the skin for 1.2.
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 10:01:21 PM UTC-4, Xant wrote:
>>
>>
>> Colin
>>
>> I honor that! And, indeed, brought a smile in my face! (we need that good
>> humor spirit nowadays...)
>>
>> Either one is fine...
>>
>> BTW, Pat can not have a good night sleep he has a newborn...  :
>>
>> X
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:41:40 PM UTC-4, Colin Larsen wrote:
>>>
>>> If there is a vote going I like OWM :) Good luck with that sleep thing
>>> pat!
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Colin
>>>
>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:32, G Hammer  wrote:
>>>
 3AM is a great time to introduce them to coding 

 On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 9:30 PM Pat  wrote:

> Right. OWM is more of a drop in replacement so I'm leaning that way.
>
> Still, this all requires me to get some spare time and a full night's
> sleep. Newborns aren't very cooperative with their parents hobbies :-)
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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Pat]

Think I'll release 1.1 as it stands right now as soon as I can, then work 
on OWM as part of the update for 1.2 and retire DarkSky in the skin for 1.2.


On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 10:01:21 PM UTC-4, Xant wrote:
>
>
> Colin
>
> I honor that! And, indeed, brought a smile in my face! (we need that good 
> humor spirit nowadays...)
>
> Either one is fine...
>
> BTW, Pat can not have a good night sleep he has a newborn...  :
>
> X
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:41:40 PM UTC-4, Colin Larsen wrote:
>>
>> If there is a vote going I like OWM :) Good luck with that sleep thing 
>> pat!
>>
>> Cheers
>> Colin
>>
>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:32, G Hammer  wrote:
>>
>>> 3AM is a great time to introduce them to coding 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 9:30 PM Pat  wrote:
>>>
 Right. OWM is more of a drop in replacement so I'm leaning that way. 

 Still, this all requires me to get some spare time and a full night's 
 sleep. Newborns aren't very cooperative with their parents hobbies :-)

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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Xant]

Colin

I honor that! And, indeed, brought a smile in my face! (we need that good 
humor spirit nowadays...)

Either one is fine...

BTW, Pat can not have a good night sleep he has a newborn...  :

X


On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:41:40 PM UTC-4, Colin Larsen wrote:
>
> If there is a vote going I like OWM :) Good luck with that sleep thing pat!
>
> Cheers
> Colin
>
> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:32, G Hammer > 
> wrote:
>
>> 3AM is a great time to introduce them to coding 
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 9:30 PM Pat > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Right. OWM is more of a drop in replacement so I'm leaning that way. 
>>>
>>> Still, this all requires me to get some spare time and a full night's 
>>> sleep. Newborns aren't very cooperative with their parents hobbies :-)
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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Colin Larsen]

If there is a vote going I like OWM :) Good luck with that sleep thing pat!

Cheers
Colin

On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:32, G Hammer  wrote:

> 3AM is a great time to introduce them to coding 
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 9:30 PM Pat  wrote:
>
>> Right. OWM is more of a drop in replacement so I'm leaning that way.
>>
>> Still, this all requires me to get some spare time and a full night's
>> sleep. Newborns aren't very cooperative with their parents hobbies :-)
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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[G Hammer]

3AM is a great time to introduce them to coding 

On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 9:30 PM Pat  wrote:

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>
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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Pat]

Right. OWM is more of a drop in replacement so I'm leaning that way. 

Still, this all requires me to get some spare time and a full night's sleep. 
Newborns aren't very cooperative with their parents hobbies :-)

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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[G Hammer]

For me, I have API keys that I keep track of, acquire when needed. It's a
one off thing.

OWM can use your coordinates which may produce better results for some. For
example, I've lived where you picked a distant city for a forecast, unless
you knew the local airport code.

They seem to have a 7 day product in the free tier now along with the 5.

They have translation and it seems to support metric or imperial per
measurement. Doesn't the UK mix MPH with C?

It would seem easier to move to OWM than to create and maintain all that
will be needed with yr.no




On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 9:05 PM Pat  wrote:

> I understand your point and that's why I keep flip flipping. I like the
> idea of no API key to maintain.
>
> OWM is more of a drop in replacement which makes migrating the skin a bit
> easier.
>
> YR would require unit conversions, xml parsing (small rewrite since I'm
> parsing json today) and yr doesn't appear to show text for the conditions.
> (e.g. Snow, Mostly Cloudy) If they do it looks English only so there would
> need to be language translations. Something I'm not fond of maintaining in
> the skin.
>
> YR also require you to know your geoname to work. Whereas OWM can use
> lat/long.
>
> So if YR is more appealing then we have to document how to find your
> geoname (not difficult)... Have no conditions text not forecast text... and
> do unit conversions.
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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Pat]

I understand your point and that's why I keep flip flipping. I like the idea of 
no API key to maintain. 

OWM is more of a drop in replacement which makes migrating the skin a bit 
easier. 

YR would require unit conversions, xml parsing (small rewrite since I'm parsing 
json today) and yr doesn't appear to show text for the conditions. (e.g. Snow, 
Mostly Cloudy) If they do it looks English only so there would need to be 
language translations. Something I'm not fond of maintaining in the skin.

YR also require you to know your geoname to work. Whereas OWM can use lat/long.

So if YR is more appealing then we have to document how to find your geoname 
(not difficult)... Have no conditions text not forecast text... and do unit 
conversions. 

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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Xant]

Sure OWM still a respectful service. I will not "kick the dead body" 
further, but it puzzles me why not YR. Not for the many reasons posted 
above, but as YR offers much more real data at no restrictions, API, or 
plans - and consistent, no charge now or ever. It could be an opportunity 
to built and explore further - instead of just trying to reproduce DarkSky 
(although, no alerts).

Pat, as you said: "Another appeal for yr.no in my reading is that for yr.no 
is no API key is needed, no developer account - "it just works"

Not to debate, just a point. Both services are great.

Best, X

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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Pat]

This is probably the way to go. Looks like their free plan will match a lot 
of what the skin uses. 

Sadly, weather alerts will be no-more with the skin. 

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 2:31:38 AM UTC-4, Tadej Javornik wrote:
>
> There seems to be something written to migrate from darksky to owm. Here 
> is the link
>
> https://openweathermap.org/darksky-openweather#match
>

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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Tadej Javornik]

There seems to be something written to migrate from darksky to owm. Here is the 
link

https://openweathermap.org/darksky-openweather#match

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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Pat]

Everytime I get a minute to sit down and open the laptop and read up on 
what's available, I change my mind. I'm back on the OpenWeatherMap thought 
now because of the localization and languages it offers. 

On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 4:47:42 PM UTC-4, gary@gmail.com wrote:
>
> If units aren’t an issue, then in the infamous words of Alfred E. Neuman, 
> what, me worry?
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* weewx...@googlegroups.com   > *On Behalf Of *steeple ian
> *Sent:* Friday, April 3, 2020 11:37 AM
> *To:* weewx...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky
>
>  
>
> Gary,
>
>  
>
> Ok have a look here: -
>
>  
>
> https://claydonsweather.org.uk
>
>  
>
> The base units are set in weewx.conf to METRICWX. The json data from WU is 
> coming as US, DarkSky as METRIC. The skin is displaying U.K. units which is 
> Metric with mph. Click on the F button too right and watch what happens to 
> the units including those of the forecasts. Go to the menu accessed by 
> clicking top left. You will see toggles for various unit systems. The data 
> does not change, it is just converted on the fly. So I don’t see units 
> being an issue.
>
> Ian
>
>  
>
> On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 16:05, G Hammer > 
> wrote:
>
> Metric is not used in the US would be the problem.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 10:37 AM steeple ian  > wrote:
>
> Quote from yr.no website: -
>
>  
> *"A new Yr API is on the way!*
>
> We are working on a new and modern API, that we plan to release some time 
> in the winter 2019. Make sure you visit this site to keep posted!"
>
> I am not sure why metric only is so much of a problem anyway, but maybe 
> that will be fixed in the new API anyway.
>
> From a personal point of view, I use forecasting services from YR DarkSky, 
> WU, and UK Metoffice. I know it can be subjective but for my location YR is 
> by far the most accurate.
>
> Ian
>
>  
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:17 PM Pat > 
> wrote:
>
> yr.no isn't commercially owned, so the theory is they won't get bought 
> out or go away. They're owned by the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation 
> and the Norwegian Meteorological Institute. That said, it's only in 
> metric, does not have weather alerts and is in XML format only. 
>
>  
>
> The pro is that they don't seem at risk of being purchased and going away. 
> The con is it may not be a good fit for how the skin is being used. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 10:01:39 AM UTC-4, G Hammer wrote:
>
> I'd say OWM, simply because I see no way to get anything except metric/C 
> from yr.no
>
> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:11:43 PM UTC-4, Pat wrote:
>
> I'm sure the Belchertown skin could benefit from the forecasts plugin, but 
> Belchertown does more than that. It shows weather alerts for your location 
> as well as current conditions. The forecasting plugin doesn't provide those 
> 2 bits. For that you need a service, and if you're getting info from the 
> service (in my opinion), one stop shop for it (get the forecast too). 
>
>  
>
> As for maintaining a plugin base for each region/location, that's not 
> something I can develop or support right now. The JSON would have to be 
> formatted exactly for each service in order to support the current way of 
> updates. Again, this is a simple task for 1 provider who has all this data 
> for worldwide regions
>
>  
>
> I understand that OWM could become the next DarkSky but I think it's the 
> best option for what we have right now. The free tier should be able to 
> provide enough data to replace DarkSky. 
>
>  
>
> It's just a matter of time on my end.
>
>  
>
>
> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 6:38:28 PM UTC-4, William Burton wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 4:34:46 PM UTC-4, Wes Witt wrote:
>
> how about implementing a design that allows for weather forecast 
> extensions/plugins. then regional plugins can be built and allow the user 
> to choose the weather forecast service that is best for them. this way you 
> don't need a single service that works for everyone. it can be very 
> difficult to find a service that works everywhere and if you can find one 
> it may result in a low bar terms of quality and features from the service.
>
>  
>
> I was thinking the exact same thing as it doesn't make sense for every 
> skin author to have to implement forecasting from scratch. There are many 
> API's and there won't be one that works for everyone everywhere.
>
>  
>
> The weewx-forecast extension (
> https://github.com/matthewwall/weewx-forecast), already

RE: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[gary.hammer]

If units aren’t an issue, then in the infamous words of Alfred E. Neuman, what, 
me worry?

 

 

From: weewx-user@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
steeple ian
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 11:37 AM
To: weewx-user@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

 

Gary,

 

Ok have a look here: -

 

https://claydonsweather.org.uk

 

The base units are set in weewx.conf to METRICWX. The json data from WU is 
coming as US, DarkSky as METRIC. The skin is displaying U.K. units which is 
Metric with mph. Click on the F button too right and watch what happens to the 
units including those of the forecasts. Go to the menu accessed by clicking top 
left. You will see toggles for various unit systems. The data does not change, 
it is just converted on the fly. So I don’t see units being an issue.

Ian

 

On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 16:05, G Hammer mailto:gary.ham...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Metric is not used in the US would be the problem.

 

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 10:37 AM steeple ian mailto:steeple...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Quote from yr.no <http://yr.no>  website: -

 


"A new Yr API is on the way!


We are working on a new and modern API, that we plan to release some time in 
the winter 2019. Make sure you visit this site to keep posted!"

I am not sure why metric only is so much of a problem anyway, but maybe that 
will be fixed in the new API anyway.

>From a personal point of view, I use forecasting services from YR DarkSky, WU, 
>and UK Metoffice. I know it can be subjective but for my location YR is by far 
>the most accurate.

Ian

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:17 PM Pat mailto:p...@obrienphoto.net> > wrote:

yr.no <http://yr.no>  isn't commercially owned, so the theory is they won't get 
bought out or go away. They're owned by the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation 
and the Norwegian Meteorological Institute. That said, it's only in metric, 
does not have weather alerts and is in XML format only. 

 

The pro is that they don't seem at risk of being purchased and going away. The 
con is it may not be a good fit for how the skin is being used. 



On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 10:01:39 AM UTC-4, G Hammer wrote:

I'd say OWM, simply because I see no way to get anything except metric/C from 
yr.no <http://yr.no> 

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:11:43 PM UTC-4, Pat wrote:

I'm sure the Belchertown skin could benefit from the forecasts plugin, but 
Belchertown does more than that. It shows weather alerts for your location as 
well as current conditions. The forecasting plugin doesn't provide those 2 
bits. For that you need a service, and if you're getting info from the service 
(in my opinion), one stop shop for it (get the forecast too). 

 

As for maintaining a plugin base for each region/location, that's not something 
I can develop or support right now. The JSON would have to be formatted exactly 
for each service in order to support the current way of updates. Again, this is 
a simple task for 1 provider who has all this data for worldwide regions

 

I understand that OWM could become the next DarkSky but I think it's the best 
option for what we have right now. The free tier should be able to provide 
enough data to replace DarkSky. 

 

It's just a matter of time on my end.

 


On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 6:38:28 PM UTC-4, William Burton wrote:

Hello,

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 4:34:46 PM UTC-4, Wes Witt wrote:

how about implementing a design that allows for weather forecast 
extensions/plugins. then regional plugins can be built and allow the user to 
choose the weather forecast service that is best for them. this way you don't 
need a single service that works for everyone. it can be very difficult to find 
a service that works everywhere and if you can find one it may result in a low 
bar terms of quality and features from the service.

 

I was thinking the exact same thing as it doesn't make sense for every skin 
author to have to implement forecasting from scratch. There are many API's and 
there won't be one that works for everyone everywhere.

 

The weewx-forecast extension (https://github.com/matthewwall/weewx-forecast), 
already handles the following weather forecasting services:

 

  US National Weather Service (NWS)
  the weather underground (WU)
  open weathermap (OWM)
  UK Met Office (UKMO)
  Aeris Weather
  World Weather Online (WWO)
  Dark Sky (DS)
  Zambretti
 
The extension also handles tide predictions using xtide.
 
My thought was to enhance the weewx-forecast extension to:
* Output a generic JSON file that can be loaded via Ajax into a theme. As much 
as possible, the JSON would be generated in a manner that's consistent across 
different API implementations to make it easier to incorporate into a skin.
* Output one or more include files that can be included into other skins.
Skins like Belchertown can incorporate this output using either method as 
appropriate. The end resul

Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Xant]

Correction: YR.no 48hrs meteogram.

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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Xant]

Dark Sky API

William: "That's true if one already has a DarkSky API key"
U... apologies as I missed this important "detail", as to say let's go 
till end-of-2021. Just trying to give all some peace of mind and let the 
industry to settle.
But it is true. DarkSky cutting the cord... let's continue research.


YR.no API

Still have my vote for Belchertown API


   - Not commercially owned (NRK, Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation and 
   Norwegian Meteorological Institute)
   - long time providing Global data (not just Norwegian); many reports US 
   weather data to be accurate
   - metric system data only, but don't see this much of an issue; as 
   posted by Pat, "more work upfront, but the skin can convert units"
   - G Hammer: "A new Yr API is on the way!"; don't expect new Yr API to 
   provide anything other than metric, as its own website doesn't have 
   conversion option either
   - Free... no restrictions, plenty of accurate Global data
   - Pat: "Another appeal for yr.no in my reading is that for yr.no is no 
   API key is needed, no developer account - "it just works".
   - Yr.no let embed in many ways (Java, PHP, XML); even provides nice 
   3days Meteogram (metrics only, 
   though); 
https://www.yr.no/place/United_States/Massachusetts/Belchertown/data.html

[image: Screenshot_2020-04-03 Yr - varsel eksternt.png]


YR no Alerts

Alerts indeed a great feature of DarkSky API, and thanks to Pat for 
providing in Belchertown. Although YR.no provides plenty of wx info, it 
seems indeed that it doesn't provides alerts.
Considering that YR still my pick (besides no alerts), and current lack of 
consolidated API source, proposing a (temporary) hybrid solution as NOAA 
does provides weather alerts for US through API or CAP (CAP is an XML-based 
information standard used to facilitate emergency information sharing and 
data exchange); https://www.weather.gov/documentation/services-web-alerts


Xant

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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[steeple ian]

Gary,

Ok have a look here: -

https://claydonsweather.org.uk

The base units are set in weewx.conf to METRICWX. The json data from WU is
coming as US, DarkSky as METRIC. The skin is displaying U.K. units which is
Metric with mph. Click on the F button too right and watch what happens to
the units including those of the forecasts. Go to the menu accessed by
clicking top left. You will see toggles for various unit systems. The data
does not change, it is just converted on the fly. So I don’t see units
being an issue.
Ian

On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 16:05, G Hammer  wrote:

> Metric is not used in the US would be the problem.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 10:37 AM steeple ian  wrote:
>
>> Quote from yr.no website: -
>>
>> *"A new Yr API is on the way!*
>>
>> We are working on a new and modern API, that we plan to release some time
>> in the winter 2019. Make sure you visit this site to keep posted!"
>>
>> I am not sure why metric only is so much of a problem anyway, but maybe
>> that will be fixed in the new API anyway.
>>
>> From a personal point of view, I use forecasting services from YR
>> DarkSky, WU, and UK Metoffice. I know it can be subjective but for my
>> location YR is by far the most accurate.
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:17 PM Pat  wrote:
>>
>>> yr.no isn't commercially owned, so the theory is they won't get bought
>>> out or go away. They're owned by the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation
>>> and the Norwegian Meteorological Institute. That said, it's only in
>>> metric, does not have weather alerts and is in XML format only.
>>>
>>> The pro is that they don't seem at risk of being purchased and going
>>> away. The con is it may not be a good fit for how the skin is being used.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 10:01:39 AM UTC-4, G Hammer wrote:

 I'd say OWM, simply because I see no way to get anything except
 metric/C from yr.no

 On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:11:43 PM UTC-4, Pat wrote:
>
> I'm sure the Belchertown skin could benefit from the forecasts plugin,
> but Belchertown does more than that. It shows weather alerts for your
> location as well as current conditions. The forecasting plugin doesn't
> provide those 2 bits. For that you need a service, and if you're getting
> info from the service (in my opinion), one stop shop for it (get the
> forecast too).
>
> As for maintaining a plugin base for each region/location, that's not
> something I can develop or support right now. The JSON would have to be
> formatted exactly for each service in order to support the current way of
> updates. Again, this is a simple task for 1 provider who has all this data
> for worldwide regions
>
> I understand that OWM could become the next DarkSky but I think it's
> the best option for what we have right now. The free tier should be able 
> to
> provide enough data to replace DarkSky.
>
> It's just a matter of time on my end.
>
>
> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 6:38:28 PM UTC-4, William Burton wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 4:34:46 PM UTC-4, Wes Witt wrote:
>>>
>>> how about implementing a design that allows for weather forecast
>>> extensions/plugins. then regional plugins can be built and allow the 
>>> user
>>> to choose the weather forecast service that is best for them. this way 
>>> you
>>> don't need a single service that works for everyone. it can be very
>>> difficult to find a service that works everywhere and if you can find 
>>> one
>>> it may result in a low bar terms of quality and features from the 
>>> service.
>>>
>>
>> I was thinking the exact same thing as it doesn't make sense for
>> every skin author to have to implement forecasting from scratch. There 
>> are
>> many API's and there won't be one that works for everyone everywhere.
>>
>> The weewx-forecast extension (
>> https://github.com/matthewwall/weewx-forecast), already handles the
>> following weather forecasting services:
>>
>>   US National Weather Service (NWS)
>>   the weather underground (WU)
>>   open weathermap (OWM)
>>   UK Met Office (UKMO)
>>   Aeris Weather
>>   World Weather Online (WWO)
>>   Dark Sky (DS)
>>   Zambretti
>>
>> The extension also handles tide predictions using xtide.
>>
>>
>> My thought was to enhance the weewx-forecast extension to:
>>
>>
>>- Output a generic JSON file that can be loaded via Ajax into a 
>> theme. As much as possible, the JSON would be generated in a manner 
>> that's consistent across different API implementations to make it easier 
>> to incorporate into a skin.
>>- Output one or more include files that can be included into other 
>> skins.
>>
>> Skins like Belchertown can incorporate this output using either method 
>> as 

Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Pat]

It's more work upfront but the skin can convert units.

If weather alerts are gone (which so far looks like they will be when 
DarkSky goes away), then I am leaning back to yr.no. Another appeal for 
yr.no in my reading is that for yr.no is no API key is needed, no developer 
account - "it just works". Just need to put some credits on the about page. 


On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 11:05:49 AM UTC-4, G Hammer wrote:
>
> Metric is not used in the US would be the problem.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 10:37 AM steeple ian  > wrote:
>
>> Quote from yr.no website: -
>>
>> *"A new Yr API is on the way!* 
>>
>> We are working on a new and modern API, that we plan to release some time 
>> in the winter 2019. Make sure you visit this site to keep posted!"
>>
>> I am not sure why metric only is so much of a problem anyway, but maybe 
>> that will be fixed in the new API anyway.
>>
>> From a personal point of view, I use forecasting services from YR 
>> DarkSky, WU, and UK Metoffice. I know it can be subjective but for my 
>> location YR is by far the most accurate.
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:17 PM Pat > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> yr.no isn't commercially owned, so the theory is they won't get bought 
>>> out or go away. They're owned by the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation 
>>> and the Norwegian Meteorological Institute. That said, it's only in 
>>> metric, does not have weather alerts and is in XML format only. 
>>>
>>> The pro is that they don't seem at risk of being purchased and going 
>>> away. The con is it may not be a good fit for how the skin is being used. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 10:01:39 AM UTC-4, G Hammer wrote:

 I'd say OWM, simply because I see no way to get anything except 
 metric/C from yr.no

 On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:11:43 PM UTC-4, Pat wrote:
>
> I'm sure the Belchertown skin could benefit from the forecasts plugin, 
> but Belchertown does more than that. It shows weather alerts for your 
> location as well as current conditions. The forecasting plugin doesn't 
> provide those 2 bits. For that you need a service, and if you're getting 
> info from the service (in my opinion), one stop shop for it (get the 
> forecast too). 
>
> As for maintaining a plugin base for each region/location, that's not 
> something I can develop or support right now. The JSON would have to be 
> formatted exactly for each service in order to support the current way of 
> updates. Again, this is a simple task for 1 provider who has all this 
> data 
> for worldwide regions
>
> I understand that OWM could become the next DarkSky but I think it's 
> the best option for what we have right now. The free tier should be able 
> to 
> provide enough data to replace DarkSky. 
>
> It's just a matter of time on my end.
>
>
> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 6:38:28 PM UTC-4, William Burton wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 4:34:46 PM UTC-4, Wes Witt wrote:
>>>
>>> how about implementing a design that allows for weather forecast 
>>> extensions/plugins. then regional plugins can be built and allow the 
>>> user 
>>> to choose the weather forecast service that is best for them. this way 
>>> you 
>>> don't need a single service that works for everyone. it can be very 
>>> difficult to find a service that works everywhere and if you can find 
>>> one 
>>> it may result in a low bar terms of quality and features from the 
>>> service.
>>>
>>
>> I was thinking the exact same thing as it doesn't make sense for 
>> every skin author to have to implement forecasting from scratch. There 
>> are 
>> many API's and there won't be one that works for everyone everywhere.
>>
>> The weewx-forecast extension (
>> https://github.com/matthewwall/weewx-forecast), already handles the 
>> following weather forecasting services:
>>
>>   US National Weather Service (NWS)
>>   the weather underground (WU)
>>   open weathermap (OWM)
>>   UK Met Office (UKMO)
>>   Aeris Weather
>>   World Weather Online (WWO)
>>   Dark Sky (DS)
>>   Zambretti
>>
>> The extension also handles tide predictions using xtide.
>>
>>
>> My thought was to enhance the weewx-forecast extension to:
>>
>>
>>- Output a generic JSON file that can be loaded via Ajax into a 
>> theme. As much as possible, the JSON would be generated in a manner 
>> that's consistent across different API implementations to make it easier 
>> to incorporate into a skin.
>>- Output one or more include files that can be included into other 
>> skins.
>>
>> Skins like Belchertown can incorporate this output using either method 
>> as appropriate. The end result is it would be far easier for skin 
>> maintainers to expand forecasting 

Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[G Hammer]

Metric is not used in the US would be the problem.


On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 10:37 AM steeple ian  wrote:

> Quote from yr.no website: -
>
> *"A new Yr API is on the way!*
>
> We are working on a new and modern API, that we plan to release some time
> in the winter 2019. Make sure you visit this site to keep posted!"
>
> I am not sure why metric only is so much of a problem anyway, but maybe
> that will be fixed in the new API anyway.
>
> From a personal point of view, I use forecasting services from YR DarkSky,
> WU, and UK Metoffice. I know it can be subjective but for my location YR is
> by far the most accurate.
>
> Ian
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:17 PM Pat  wrote:
>
>> yr.no isn't commercially owned, so the theory is they won't get bought
>> out or go away. They're owned by the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation
>> and the Norwegian Meteorological Institute. That said, it's only in
>> metric, does not have weather alerts and is in XML format only.
>>
>> The pro is that they don't seem at risk of being purchased and going
>> away. The con is it may not be a good fit for how the skin is being used.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 10:01:39 AM UTC-4, G Hammer wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd say OWM, simply because I see no way to get anything except metric/C
>>> from yr.no
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:11:43 PM UTC-4, Pat wrote:

 I'm sure the Belchertown skin could benefit from the forecasts plugin,
 but Belchertown does more than that. It shows weather alerts for your
 location as well as current conditions. The forecasting plugin doesn't
 provide those 2 bits. For that you need a service, and if you're getting
 info from the service (in my opinion), one stop shop for it (get the
 forecast too).

 As for maintaining a plugin base for each region/location, that's not
 something I can develop or support right now. The JSON would have to be
 formatted exactly for each service in order to support the current way of
 updates. Again, this is a simple task for 1 provider who has all this data
 for worldwide regions

 I understand that OWM could become the next DarkSky but I think it's
 the best option for what we have right now. The free tier should be able to
 provide enough data to replace DarkSky.

 It's just a matter of time on my end.


 On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 6:38:28 PM UTC-4, William Burton wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 4:34:46 PM UTC-4, Wes Witt wrote:
>>
>> how about implementing a design that allows for weather forecast
>> extensions/plugins. then regional plugins can be built and allow the user
>> to choose the weather forecast service that is best for them. this way 
>> you
>> don't need a single service that works for everyone. it can be very
>> difficult to find a service that works everywhere and if you can find one
>> it may result in a low bar terms of quality and features from the 
>> service.
>>
>
> I was thinking the exact same thing as it doesn't make sense for every
> skin author to have to implement forecasting from scratch. There are many
> API's and there won't be one that works for everyone everywhere.
>
> The weewx-forecast extension (
> https://github.com/matthewwall/weewx-forecast), already handles the
> following weather forecasting services:
>
>   US National Weather Service (NWS)
>   the weather underground (WU)
>   open weathermap (OWM)
>   UK Met Office (UKMO)
>   Aeris Weather
>   World Weather Online (WWO)
>   Dark Sky (DS)
>   Zambretti
>
> The extension also handles tide predictions using xtide.
>
>
> My thought was to enhance the weewx-forecast extension to:
>
>
>- Output a generic JSON file that can be loaded via Ajax into a theme. 
> As much as possible, the JSON would be generated in a manner that's 
> consistent across different API implementations to make it easier to 
> incorporate into a skin.
>- Output one or more include files that can be included into other 
> skins.
>
> Skins like Belchertown can incorporate this output using either method as 
> appropriate. The end result is it would be far easier for skin 
> maintainers to expand forecasting options.
>
> The benefit to this approach is the ability to support many more options 
> for forecasting more widely. However, a small drawback is users of WeeWX 
> will have to install another extension and configure it in addition to 
> the selected skin.
>
> -Bill
>
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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Greg Troxel]

Pat  writes:

> The pro is that they don't seem at risk of being purchased and going away. 
> The con is it may not be a good fit for how the skin is being used. 

Two thoughts:

  The situation seems ripe for someone, outside the weewx project, to
  make an API that fronts for all national APIs, so that this aggregated
  API can be consumed by projects.  Basically a library, to do this work
  once.   Easier suggested than accomplished, and may have terms of
  service problems, so could end up being a library.

  Home Assistant has weather integrations.  Besides getting one's own
  weewx data in via mqtt, there are a number of integrations for various
  providers.  I'm using the NWS one, which suits me because I'm in the
  US and their policies seem good.  But there seem to also be services
  with global data.  HA seems like a good source for inspiration and
  knowledge of how to use APIs.
  Some URLS:
https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/#weather
https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/metoffice/
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/services/data
https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/met/
https://www.met.no/en/free-meteorological-data

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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[steeple ian]

Quote from yr.no website: -

*"A new Yr API is on the way!*

We are working on a new and modern API, that we plan to release some time
in the winter 2019. Make sure you visit this site to keep posted!"

I am not sure why metric only is so much of a problem anyway, but maybe
that will be fixed in the new API anyway.

>From a personal point of view, I use forecasting services from YR DarkSky,
WU, and UK Metoffice. I know it can be subjective but for my location YR is
by far the most accurate.

Ian

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:17 PM Pat  wrote:

> yr.no isn't commercially owned, so the theory is they won't get bought
> out or go away. They're owned by the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation
> and the Norwegian Meteorological Institute. That said, it's only in
> metric, does not have weather alerts and is in XML format only.
>
> The pro is that they don't seem at risk of being purchased and going away.
> The con is it may not be a good fit for how the skin is being used.
>
>
> On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 10:01:39 AM UTC-4, G Hammer wrote:
>>
>> I'd say OWM, simply because I see no way to get anything except metric/C
>> from yr.no
>>
>> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:11:43 PM UTC-4, Pat wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sure the Belchertown skin could benefit from the forecasts plugin,
>>> but Belchertown does more than that. It shows weather alerts for your
>>> location as well as current conditions. The forecasting plugin doesn't
>>> provide those 2 bits. For that you need a service, and if you're getting
>>> info from the service (in my opinion), one stop shop for it (get the
>>> forecast too).
>>>
>>> As for maintaining a plugin base for each region/location, that's not
>>> something I can develop or support right now. The JSON would have to be
>>> formatted exactly for each service in order to support the current way of
>>> updates. Again, this is a simple task for 1 provider who has all this data
>>> for worldwide regions
>>>
>>> I understand that OWM could become the next DarkSky but I think it's the
>>> best option for what we have right now. The free tier should be able to
>>> provide enough data to replace DarkSky.
>>>
>>> It's just a matter of time on my end.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 6:38:28 PM UTC-4, William Burton wrote:

 Hello,

 On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 4:34:46 PM UTC-4, Wes Witt wrote:
>
> how about implementing a design that allows for weather forecast
> extensions/plugins. then regional plugins can be built and allow the user
> to choose the weather forecast service that is best for them. this way you
> don't need a single service that works for everyone. it can be very
> difficult to find a service that works everywhere and if you can find one
> it may result in a low bar terms of quality and features from the service.
>

 I was thinking the exact same thing as it doesn't make sense for every
 skin author to have to implement forecasting from scratch. There are many
 API's and there won't be one that works for everyone everywhere.

 The weewx-forecast extension (
 https://github.com/matthewwall/weewx-forecast), already handles the
 following weather forecasting services:

   US National Weather Service (NWS)
   the weather underground (WU)
   open weathermap (OWM)
   UK Met Office (UKMO)
   Aeris Weather
   World Weather Online (WWO)
   Dark Sky (DS)
   Zambretti

 The extension also handles tide predictions using xtide.


 My thought was to enhance the weewx-forecast extension to:


- Output a generic JSON file that can be loaded via Ajax into a theme. 
 As much as possible, the JSON would be generated in a manner that's 
 consistent across different API implementations to make it easier to 
 incorporate into a skin.
- Output one or more include files that can be included into other 
 skins.

 Skins like Belchertown can incorporate this output using either method as 
 appropriate. The end result is it would be far easier for skin maintainers 
 to expand forecasting options.

 The benefit to this approach is the ability to support many more options 
 for forecasting more widely. However, a small drawback is users of WeeWX 
 will have to install another extension and configure it in addition to the 
 selected skin.

 -Bill

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[weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Pat]

Actually looks like OWM doesn't provide weather alerts in the same fashion 
as DarkSky. Instead you have to create a trigger, then poll that trigger 
for changes. It's not end-user friendly as it is at DarkSky. 

So I may have to deprecate weather alerts and only offer current conditions 
and forecasts. 


On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 10:17:06 AM UTC-4, Pat wrote:
>
> yr.no isn't commercially owned, so the theory is they won't get bought 
> out or go away. They're owned by the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation 
> and the Norwegian Meteorological Institute. That said, it's only in 
> metric, does not have weather alerts and is in XML format only. 
>
> The pro is that they don't seem at risk of being purchased and going away. 
> The con is it may not be a good fit for how the skin is being used. 
>
>
> On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 10:01:39 AM UTC-4, G Hammer wrote:
>>
>> I'd say OWM, simply because I see no way to get anything except metric/C 
>> from yr.no
>>
>> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:11:43 PM UTC-4, Pat wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sure the Belchertown skin could benefit from the forecasts plugin, 
>>> but Belchertown does more than that. It shows weather alerts for your 
>>> location as well as current conditions. The forecasting plugin doesn't 
>>> provide those 2 bits. For that you need a service, and if you're getting 
>>> info from the service (in my opinion), one stop shop for it (get the 
>>> forecast too). 
>>>
>>> As for maintaining a plugin base for each region/location, that's not 
>>> something I can develop or support right now. The JSON would have to be 
>>> formatted exactly for each service in order to support the current way of 
>>> updates. Again, this is a simple task for 1 provider who has all this data 
>>> for worldwide regions
>>>
>>> I understand that OWM could become the next DarkSky but I think it's the 
>>> best option for what we have right now. The free tier should be able to 
>>> provide enough data to replace DarkSky. 
>>>
>>> It's just a matter of time on my end.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 6:38:28 PM UTC-4, William Burton wrote:

 Hello,

 On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 4:34:46 PM UTC-4, Wes Witt wrote:
>
> how about implementing a design that allows for weather forecast 
> extensions/plugins. then regional plugins can be built and allow the user 
> to choose the weather forecast service that is best for them. this way 
> you 
> don't need a single service that works for everyone. it can be very 
> difficult to find a service that works everywhere and if you can find one 
> it may result in a low bar terms of quality and features from the service.
>

 I was thinking the exact same thing as it doesn't make sense for every 
 skin author to have to implement forecasting from scratch. There are many 
 API's and there won't be one that works for everyone everywhere.

 The weewx-forecast extension (
 https://github.com/matthewwall/weewx-forecast), already handles the 
 following weather forecasting services:

   US National Weather Service (NWS)
   the weather underground (WU)
   open weathermap (OWM)
   UK Met Office (UKMO)
   Aeris Weather
   World Weather Online (WWO)
   Dark Sky (DS)
   Zambretti

 The extension also handles tide predictions using xtide.


 My thought was to enhance the weewx-forecast extension to:


- Output a generic JSON file that can be loaded via Ajax into a theme. 
 As much as possible, the JSON would be generated in a manner that's 
 consistent across different API implementations to make it easier to 
 incorporate into a skin.
- Output one or more include files that can be included into other 
 skins.

 Skins like Belchertown can incorporate this output using either method as 
 appropriate. The end result is it would be far easier for skin maintainers 
 to expand forecasting options.

 The benefit to this approach is the ability to support many more options 
 for forecasting more widely. However, a small drawback is users of WeeWX 
 will have to install another extension and configure it in addition to the 
 selected skin.

 -Bill



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[weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Pat]

yr.no isn't commercially owned, so the theory is they won't get bought out 
or go away. They're owned by the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation and the 
Norwegian Meteorological Institute. That said, it's only in metric, does 
not have weather alerts and is in XML format only. 

The pro is that they don't seem at risk of being purchased and going away. 
The con is it may not be a good fit for how the skin is being used. 


On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 10:01:39 AM UTC-4, G Hammer wrote:
>
> I'd say OWM, simply because I see no way to get anything except metric/C 
> from yr.no
>
> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:11:43 PM UTC-4, Pat wrote:
>>
>> I'm sure the Belchertown skin could benefit from the forecasts plugin, 
>> but Belchertown does more than that. It shows weather alerts for your 
>> location as well as current conditions. The forecasting plugin doesn't 
>> provide those 2 bits. For that you need a service, and if you're getting 
>> info from the service (in my opinion), one stop shop for it (get the 
>> forecast too). 
>>
>> As for maintaining a plugin base for each region/location, that's not 
>> something I can develop or support right now. The JSON would have to be 
>> formatted exactly for each service in order to support the current way of 
>> updates. Again, this is a simple task for 1 provider who has all this data 
>> for worldwide regions
>>
>> I understand that OWM could become the next DarkSky but I think it's the 
>> best option for what we have right now. The free tier should be able to 
>> provide enough data to replace DarkSky. 
>>
>> It's just a matter of time on my end.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 6:38:28 PM UTC-4, William Burton wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 4:34:46 PM UTC-4, Wes Witt wrote:

 how about implementing a design that allows for weather forecast 
 extensions/plugins. then regional plugins can be built and allow the user 
 to choose the weather forecast service that is best for them. this way you 
 don't need a single service that works for everyone. it can be very 
 difficult to find a service that works everywhere and if you can find one 
 it may result in a low bar terms of quality and features from the service.

>>>
>>> I was thinking the exact same thing as it doesn't make sense for every 
>>> skin author to have to implement forecasting from scratch. There are many 
>>> API's and there won't be one that works for everyone everywhere.
>>>
>>> The weewx-forecast extension (
>>> https://github.com/matthewwall/weewx-forecast), already handles the 
>>> following weather forecasting services:
>>>
>>>   US National Weather Service (NWS)
>>>   the weather underground (WU)
>>>   open weathermap (OWM)
>>>   UK Met Office (UKMO)
>>>   Aeris Weather
>>>   World Weather Online (WWO)
>>>   Dark Sky (DS)
>>>   Zambretti
>>>
>>> The extension also handles tide predictions using xtide.
>>>
>>>
>>> My thought was to enhance the weewx-forecast extension to:
>>>
>>>
>>>- Output a generic JSON file that can be loaded via Ajax into a theme. 
>>> As much as possible, the JSON would be generated in a manner that's 
>>> consistent across different API implementations to make it easier to 
>>> incorporate into a skin.
>>>- Output one or more include files that can be included into other skins.
>>>
>>> Skins like Belchertown can incorporate this output using either method as 
>>> appropriate. The end result is it would be far easier for skin maintainers 
>>> to expand forecasting options.
>>>
>>> The benefit to this approach is the ability to support many more options 
>>> for forecasting more widely. However, a small drawback is users of WeeWX 
>>> will have to install another extension and configure it in addition to the 
>>> selected skin.
>>>
>>> -Bill
>>>
>>>

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[weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[G Hammer]

I'd say OWM, simply because I see no way to get anything except metric/C 
from yr.no

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:11:43 PM UTC-4, Pat wrote:
>
> I'm sure the Belchertown skin could benefit from the forecasts plugin, but 
> Belchertown does more than that. It shows weather alerts for your location 
> as well as current conditions. The forecasting plugin doesn't provide those 
> 2 bits. For that you need a service, and if you're getting info from the 
> service (in my opinion), one stop shop for it (get the forecast too). 
>
> As for maintaining a plugin base for each region/location, that's not 
> something I can develop or support right now. The JSON would have to be 
> formatted exactly for each service in order to support the current way of 
> updates. Again, this is a simple task for 1 provider who has all this data 
> for worldwide regions
>
> I understand that OWM could become the next DarkSky but I think it's the 
> best option for what we have right now. The free tier should be able to 
> provide enough data to replace DarkSky. 
>
> It's just a matter of time on my end.
>
>
> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 6:38:28 PM UTC-4, William Burton wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 4:34:46 PM UTC-4, Wes Witt wrote:
>>>
>>> how about implementing a design that allows for weather forecast 
>>> extensions/plugins. then regional plugins can be built and allow the user 
>>> to choose the weather forecast service that is best for them. this way you 
>>> don't need a single service that works for everyone. it can be very 
>>> difficult to find a service that works everywhere and if you can find one 
>>> it may result in a low bar terms of quality and features from the service.
>>>
>>
>> I was thinking the exact same thing as it doesn't make sense for every 
>> skin author to have to implement forecasting from scratch. There are many 
>> API's and there won't be one that works for everyone everywhere.
>>
>> The weewx-forecast extension (
>> https://github.com/matthewwall/weewx-forecast), already handles the 
>> following weather forecasting services:
>>
>>   US National Weather Service (NWS)
>>   the weather underground (WU)
>>   open weathermap (OWM)
>>   UK Met Office (UKMO)
>>   Aeris Weather
>>   World Weather Online (WWO)
>>   Dark Sky (DS)
>>   Zambretti
>>
>> The extension also handles tide predictions using xtide.
>>
>>
>> My thought was to enhance the weewx-forecast extension to:
>>
>>
>>- Output a generic JSON file that can be loaded via Ajax into a theme. As 
>> much as possible, the JSON would be generated in a manner that's consistent 
>> across different API implementations to make it easier to incorporate into a 
>> skin.
>>- Output one or more include files that can be included into other skins.
>>
>> Skins like Belchertown can incorporate this output using either method as 
>> appropriate. The end result is it would be far easier for skin maintainers 
>> to expand forecasting options.
>>
>> The benefit to this approach is the ability to support many more options for 
>> forecasting more widely. However, a small drawback is users of WeeWX will 
>> have to install another extension and configure it in addition to the 
>> selected skin.
>>
>> -Bill
>>
>>

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[weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[William Burton]

Hello,

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:52:14 PM UTC-4, Xant wrote:
>
>
> I always honor Tom, Pat and Matthew Wall time and work towards WeeWX 
> endeavour.
>

Agreed!


> DarkSky has been a good resource and nice graphics. Now sold ("Good for 
> them, Bad for everybody else").
>
> There are alternatives. And as Pat correctly pointed out, the 
> "replacement" needs to be of Global perspective (I guess this eliminates 
> some of the obvious "gov" choices).
>
>- OpenWeather: a good possible alternative, but besides the catchy 
>name, is not much that "open" (and charge for some); it might suffice for 
>usual WeeWX applications, but it makes me uncomfortable to have 
> constraints 
>regarding data access, and future developments (
>https://openweathermap.org/price)
>- YR.no: considering Global perspective, still my pick... completely 
>free, excellent service and reliable
>
> As far as supporting yr.no, if you look on the contributors page at 
https://hjelp.yr.no/hc/en-us/articles/206550249, they are almost entirely 
Norwegian weather sources. So for anyone running WeeWX in Norway, I'm sure 
this would be welcomed. So how does yr.no have a global perspective?
 

> But an extra note... let's NOT get too crazy about this right now... the 
> DarkSky API still goes aaalll the way towards end-of-2021. We ALL have MUCH 
> to think nowadays other than this (quarantine and all).
>

That's true if one already has an API key, but for anyone who plans to 
bring a site online and doesn't already have an API key, forecasting would 
have to be disabled in the skin.  


> Pat said: "Maybe it's a good thing I haven't released 1.1 yet!". 
>
> If changing API is easily done (and you really really bored at home), then 
> do it.
>
> Otherwise... Pat, you have a newborn, and the whole World (literally) at 
> stand still. Nobody (I mean nobody) now have a current "plan", and all is 
> on hold. End-of-2021 seems really really far considering WeeWX, 
> Belchertown and API perspective.
>
> Let's move-on for now get some peace-of-mind and release 1.1 (as is 
> with current API), and let's talk back again on this sometime in 2021!
>

Agreed. The only thing before releasing 1.1 is to do some more testing with 
forecasting disabled in both light and dark modes.

-Bill


> ClearSkies!
> Xant
>

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[weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Mike Revitt]

Spotted the same news and I have found a few, but they are all based on 
Dark Sky. I think we are going to have to wait for the industry to settle 
down a bit first :-(

The best I have found so far is https://weatherwidget.io 


On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 7:03:49 PM UTC+1, Pat wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, I'm a bit tied up and offline with the birth of my new 
> daughter, but I got news today that DarkSky has been acquired by Apple. For 
> existing API users, API will remain online until 2021, but they are not 
> accepting any new sign ups. 
>
> That's the sad reality of using free hosted services - they can be shut 
> down without a moments notice. 
>
> I'll research a new method for local conditions and forecasts. If anyone 
> knows of any that are free and has a public API, please let me know! 
>
> ( Maybe it's a good thing I haven't released 1.1 yet! ) 
>

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[weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Xant]

I always honor Tom, Pat and Matthew Wall time and work towards WeeWX 
endeavour.

DarkSky has been a good resource and nice graphics. Now sold ("Good for 
them, Bad for everybody else").

There are alternatives. And as Pat correctly pointed out, the "replacement" 
needs to be of Global perspective (I guess this eliminates some of the 
obvious "gov" choices).

   - OpenWeather: a good possible alternative, but besides the catchy name, 
   is not much that "open" (and charge for some); it might suffice for usual 
   WeeWX applications, but it makes me uncomfortable to have constraints 
   regarding data access, and future developments 
   (https://openweathermap.org/price)
   - YR.no: considering Global perspective, still my pick... completely 
   free, excellent service and reliable

But an extra note... let's NOT get too crazy about this right now... the 
DarkSky API still goes aaalll the way towards end-of-2021. We ALL have MUCH 
to think nowadays other than this (quarantine and all).

Pat said: "Maybe it's a good thing I haven't released 1.1 yet!". 

If changing API is easily done (and you really really bored at home), then 
do it.

Otherwise... Pat, you have a newborn, and the whole World (literally) at 
stand still. Nobody (I mean nobody) now have a current "plan", and all is 
on hold. End-of-2021 seems really really far considering WeeWX, 
Belchertown and API perspective.

Let's move-on for now get some peace-of-mind and release 1.1 (as is 
with current API), and let's talk back again on this sometime in 2021!

ClearSkies!
Xant

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[weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Pat]

I'm sure the Belchertown skin could benefit from the forecasts plugin, but 
Belchertown does more than that. It shows weather alerts for your location 
as well as current conditions. The forecasting plugin doesn't provide those 
2 bits. For that you need a service, and if you're getting info from the 
service (in my opinion), one stop shop for it (get the forecast too). 

As for maintaining a plugin base for each region/location, that's not 
something I can develop or support right now. The JSON would have to be 
formatted exactly for each service in order to support the current way of 
updates. Again, this is a simple task for 1 provider who has all this data 
for worldwide regions

I understand that OWM could become the next DarkSky but I think it's the 
best option for what we have right now. The free tier should be able to 
provide enough data to replace DarkSky. 

It's just a matter of time on my end.


On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 6:38:28 PM UTC-4, William Burton wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 4:34:46 PM UTC-4, Wes Witt wrote:
>>
>> how about implementing a design that allows for weather forecast 
>> extensions/plugins. then regional plugins can be built and allow the user 
>> to choose the weather forecast service that is best for them. this way you 
>> don't need a single service that works for everyone. it can be very 
>> difficult to find a service that works everywhere and if you can find one 
>> it may result in a low bar terms of quality and features from the service.
>>
>
> I was thinking the exact same thing as it doesn't make sense for every 
> skin author to have to implement forecasting from scratch. There are many 
> API's and there won't be one that works for everyone everywhere.
>
> The weewx-forecast extension (
> https://github.com/matthewwall/weewx-forecast), already handles the 
> following weather forecasting services:
>
>   US National Weather Service (NWS)
>   the weather underground (WU)
>   open weathermap (OWM)
>   UK Met Office (UKMO)
>   Aeris Weather
>   World Weather Online (WWO)
>   Dark Sky (DS)
>   Zambretti
>
> The extension also handles tide predictions using xtide.
>
>
> My thought was to enhance the weewx-forecast extension to:
>
>
>- Output a generic JSON file that can be loaded via Ajax into a theme. As 
> much as possible, the JSON would be generated in a manner that's consistent 
> across different API implementations to make it easier to incorporate into a 
> skin.
>- Output one or more include files that can be included into other skins.
>
> Skins like Belchertown can incorporate this output using either method as 
> appropriate. The end result is it would be far easier for skin maintainers to 
> expand forecasting options.
>
> The benefit to this approach is the ability to support many more options for 
> forecasting more widely. However, a small drawback is users of WeeWX will 
> have to install another extension and configure it in addition to the 
> selected skin.
>
> -Bill
>
>

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[weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[mwall]

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 6:38:28 PM UTC-4, William Burton wrote:
>
>
> My thought was to enhance the weewx-forecast extension to:
>
>
>- Output a generic JSON file that can be loaded via Ajax into a theme. As 
> much as possible, the JSON would be generated in a manner that's consistent 
> across different API implementations to make it easier to incorporate into a 
> skin.
>- Output one or more include files that can be included into other skins.
>
>
the weewx-forecasting extension does the following:

- capture data from many different forecasting services
- generate tide forecasts using xtide
- saves the results into a single database schema
- defines a bunch of tags that you can use directly in your weewx templates
- provides a set of canned templates that you can embed in other template 
or as standalone pages in reports

the gitlab page shows a few examples of the canned templates:

https://github.com/weewx/weewx/wiki/forecasting

it should be pretty easy to generate json from the data in the 
weewx-forecast database.  that would be a welcome merge request - probably 
just a single .tmpl file with a little bit of cheetah templating.  the 
trickiest part is to define a json structure that can withstand the test of 
time.

unfortunately weewx-forecast has languished a bit, but thanks to merge 
requests from weewx users, there should be an update to weewx-forecast soon 
after weewx4 is released.  i'm looking forward to using the new xtypes in 
weewx4 to make the comparisons easier, whether comparing between forecasts 
or comparing old forecasts to historical data.

m

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[weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[William Burton]

Hello,

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 4:34:46 PM UTC-4, Wes Witt wrote:
>
> how about implementing a design that allows for weather forecast 
> extensions/plugins. then regional plugins can be built and allow the user 
> to choose the weather forecast service that is best for them. this way you 
> don't need a single service that works for everyone. it can be very 
> difficult to find a service that works everywhere and if you can find one 
> it may result in a low bar terms of quality and features from the service.
>

I was thinking the exact same thing as it doesn't make sense for every skin 
author to have to implement forecasting from scratch. There are many API's 
and there won't be one that works for everyone everywhere.

The weewx-forecast extension (https://github.com/matthewwall/weewx-forecast), 
already handles the following weather forecasting services:

  US National Weather Service (NWS)
  the weather underground (WU)
  open weathermap (OWM)
  UK Met Office (UKMO)
  Aeris Weather
  World Weather Online (WWO)
  Dark Sky (DS)
  Zambretti

The extension also handles tide predictions using xtide.


My thought was to enhance the weewx-forecast extension to:


   - Output a generic JSON file that can be loaded via Ajax into a theme. As 
much as possible, the JSON would be generated in a manner that's consistent 
across different API implementations to make it easier to incorporate into a 
skin.
   - Output one or more include files that can be included into other skins.

Skins like Belchertown can incorporate this output using either method as 
appropriate. The end result is it would be far easier for skin maintainers to 
expand forecasting options.

The benefit to this approach is the ability to support many more options for 
forecasting more widely. However, a small drawback is users of WeeWX will have 
to install another extension and configure it in addition to the selected skin.

-Bill

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[weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Pat]

I agree. Based on what I was able to look at, what I need to replace are 
weather alerts, 8 day forecast and current conditions. I think the only 
limitation with the free tier respective to what I need, the 8 day forecast 
would become a 5 day forecast. 

More research to do however once I find some spare time. 

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 5:50:25 PM UTC-4, William Burton wrote:
>
> Regarding OpenWeatherMap, yes, the free plan more limited than the paid 
> plans, but the limitations of the free plan seem reasonable for a weewx 
> site.
>
> -Bill
>
> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 3:36:34 PM UTC-4, Wes Witt wrote:
>>
>> problem with openweathermap is the free subscription is very limited.  
>> for the us accuweather works well.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 12:08:53 PM UTC-7, G Hammer wrote:
>>>
>>> I like OpenWeatherMap.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 6:57:35 PM UTC-4, Pat wrote:

 I'm looking at OpenWeatherMap and yr.no. Both look like they could 
 handle worldwide current conditions and forecasts for free. More research 
 to do though

 On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 12:22:20 PM UTC-4, Xant wrote:
>
>
> DarkSky announcement on it's blog: https://blog.darksky.net/
>
> Excerpt regarding DarkSky free Weather API: "Our API service for 
> existing customers is not changing today, but we will no longer accept 
> new 
> signups. The API will continue to function through the end of 2021."
>
> Its sad, troublesome and concerning, as myself use DarkSky API for 
> other forecasts. 
>
> Immediate reaction from the tech World: 
> https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/1/21202259/android-weather-app-dark-sky-apple-purchase-api
>
> Quick list of 'almost free' Weather APIs: 
> https://rapidapi.com/blog/access-global-weather-data-with-these-weather-apis/
>
>
> Two really free, and consistent, Weather APIs:
>
>- NOAA: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cdo-web/webservices/v2
>
> Note: I may assume that using NOAA it is going direct to main weather 
> data source; also been ".gov" might be free for long
>
>  
>
>- YR.no: 
>
> https://hjelp.yr.no/hc/en-us/articles/360001940793-Free-weather-data-service-from-Yr
>
> Excerpt note from YR.no API webpage: "You can get a lot of the content 
> on Yr for free, to use for various applications and services. This is a 
> unique offer in Europe. In other countries weather data is highly 
> valuable 
> and expensive."
>
>
>
> Congrats Pat!
> Xant
>
>

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[weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[William Burton]

Regarding OpenWeatherMap, yes, the free plan more limited than the paid 
plans, but the limitations of the free plan seem reasonable for a weewx 
site.

-Bill

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 3:36:34 PM UTC-4, Wes Witt wrote:
>
> problem with openweathermap is the free subscription is very limited.  for 
> the us accuweather works well.
>
> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 12:08:53 PM UTC-7, G Hammer wrote:
>>
>> I like OpenWeatherMap.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 6:57:35 PM UTC-4, Pat wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm looking at OpenWeatherMap and yr.no. Both look like they could 
>>> handle worldwide current conditions and forecasts for free. More research 
>>> to do though
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 12:22:20 PM UTC-4, Xant wrote:


 DarkSky announcement on it's blog: https://blog.darksky.net/

 Excerpt regarding DarkSky free Weather API: "Our API service for 
 existing customers is not changing today, but we will no longer accept new 
 signups. The API will continue to function through the end of 2021."

 Its sad, troublesome and concerning, as myself use DarkSky API for 
 other forecasts. 

 Immediate reaction from the tech World: 
 https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/1/21202259/android-weather-app-dark-sky-apple-purchase-api

 Quick list of 'almost free' Weather APIs: 
 https://rapidapi.com/blog/access-global-weather-data-with-these-weather-apis/


 Two really free, and consistent, Weather APIs:

- NOAA: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cdo-web/webservices/v2

 Note: I may assume that using NOAA it is going direct to main weather 
 data source; also been ".gov" might be free for long

  

- YR.no: 

 https://hjelp.yr.no/hc/en-us/articles/360001940793-Free-weather-data-service-from-Yr

 Excerpt note from YR.no API webpage: "You can get a lot of the content 
 on Yr for free, to use for various applications and services. This is a 
 unique offer in Europe. In other countries weather data is highly valuable 
 and expensive."



 Congrats Pat!
 Xant



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[weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Pat]

Not a bad idea but with a 5 day old kid I'm not sure how much time I can 
devote to a re-write like that. PR's are accepted!

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 4:34:46 PM UTC-4, Wes Witt wrote:
>
> how about implementing a design that allows for weather forecast 
> extensions/plugins. then regional plugins can be built and allow the user 
> to choose the weather forecast service that is best for them. this way you 
> don't need a single service that works for everyone. it can be very 
> difficult to find a service that works everywhere and if you can find one 
> it may result in a low bar terms of quality and features from the service.
>

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[weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Wes Witt]

how about implementing a design that allows for weather forecast 
extensions/plugins. then regional plugins can be built and allow the user 
to choose the weather forecast service that is best for them. this way you 
don't need a single service that works for everyone. it can be very 
difficult to find a service that works everywhere and if you can find one 
it may result in a low bar terms of quality and features from the service.

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[weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Pat]

A lot of folks are suggesting US only services which just won't work for a 
lot of the Belchertown user base. Need to be thinking broader than the US

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 3:36:34 PM UTC-4, Wes Witt wrote:
>
> problem with openweathermap is the free subscription is very limited.  for 
> the us accuweather works well.
>
> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 12:08:53 PM UTC-7, G Hammer wrote:
>>
>> I like OpenWeatherMap.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 6:57:35 PM UTC-4, Pat wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm looking at OpenWeatherMap and yr.no. Both look like they could 
>>> handle worldwide current conditions and forecasts for free. More research 
>>> to do though
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 12:22:20 PM UTC-4, Xant wrote:


 DarkSky announcement on it's blog: https://blog.darksky.net/

 Excerpt regarding DarkSky free Weather API: "Our API service for 
 existing customers is not changing today, but we will no longer accept new 
 signups. The API will continue to function through the end of 2021."

 Its sad, troublesome and concerning, as myself use DarkSky API for 
 other forecasts. 

 Immediate reaction from the tech World: 
 https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/1/21202259/android-weather-app-dark-sky-apple-purchase-api

 Quick list of 'almost free' Weather APIs: 
 https://rapidapi.com/blog/access-global-weather-data-with-these-weather-apis/


 Two really free, and consistent, Weather APIs:

- NOAA: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cdo-web/webservices/v2

 Note: I may assume that using NOAA it is going direct to main weather 
 data source; also been ".gov" might be free for long

  

- YR.no: 

 https://hjelp.yr.no/hc/en-us/articles/360001940793-Free-weather-data-service-from-Yr

 Excerpt note from YR.no API webpage: "You can get a lot of the content 
 on Yr for free, to use for various applications and services. This is a 
 unique offer in Europe. In other countries weather data is highly valuable 
 and expensive."



 Congrats Pat!
 Xant



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[weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Wes Witt]

problem with openweathermap is the free subscription is very limited.  for 
the us accuweather works well.

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 12:08:53 PM UTC-7, G Hammer wrote:
>
> I like OpenWeatherMap.
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 6:57:35 PM UTC-4, Pat wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking at OpenWeatherMap and yr.no. Both look like they could 
>> handle worldwide current conditions and forecasts for free. More research 
>> to do though
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 12:22:20 PM UTC-4, Xant wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> DarkSky announcement on it's blog: https://blog.darksky.net/
>>>
>>> Excerpt regarding DarkSky free Weather API: "Our API service for 
>>> existing customers is not changing today, but we will no longer accept new 
>>> signups. The API will continue to function through the end of 2021."
>>>
>>> Its sad, troublesome and concerning, as myself use DarkSky API for other 
>>> forecasts. 
>>>
>>> Immediate reaction from the tech World: 
>>> https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/1/21202259/android-weather-app-dark-sky-apple-purchase-api
>>>
>>> Quick list of 'almost free' Weather APIs: 
>>> https://rapidapi.com/blog/access-global-weather-data-with-these-weather-apis/
>>>
>>>
>>> Two really free, and consistent, Weather APIs:
>>>
>>>- NOAA: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cdo-web/webservices/v2
>>>
>>> Note: I may assume that using NOAA it is going direct to main weather 
>>> data source; also been ".gov" might be free for long
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>- YR.no: 
>>>
>>> https://hjelp.yr.no/hc/en-us/articles/360001940793-Free-weather-data-service-from-Yr
>>>
>>> Excerpt note from YR.no API webpage: "You can get a lot of the content 
>>> on Yr for free, to use for various applications and services. This is a 
>>> unique offer in Europe. In other countries weather data is highly valuable 
>>> and expensive."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Congrats Pat!
>>> Xant
>>>
>>>

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[weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[G Hammer]

I like OpenWeatherMap.


On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 6:57:35 PM UTC-4, Pat wrote:
>
> I'm looking at OpenWeatherMap and yr.no. Both look like they could handle 
> worldwide current conditions and forecasts for free. More research to do 
> though
>
> On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 12:22:20 PM UTC-4, Xant wrote:
>>
>>
>> DarkSky announcement on it's blog: https://blog.darksky.net/
>>
>> Excerpt regarding DarkSky free Weather API: "Our API service for existing 
>> customers is not changing today, but we will no longer accept new signups. 
>> The API will continue to function through the end of 2021."
>>
>> Its sad, troublesome and concerning, as myself use DarkSky API for other 
>> forecasts. 
>>
>> Immediate reaction from the tech World: 
>> https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/1/21202259/android-weather-app-dark-sky-apple-purchase-api
>>
>> Quick list of 'almost free' Weather APIs: 
>> https://rapidapi.com/blog/access-global-weather-data-with-these-weather-apis/
>>
>>
>> Two really free, and consistent, Weather APIs:
>>
>>- NOAA: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cdo-web/webservices/v2
>>
>> Note: I may assume that using NOAA it is going direct to main weather 
>> data source; also been ".gov" might be free for long
>>
>>  
>>
>>- YR.no: 
>>
>> https://hjelp.yr.no/hc/en-us/articles/360001940793-Free-weather-data-service-from-Yr
>>
>> Excerpt note from YR.no API webpage: "You can get a lot of the content on 
>> Yr for free, to use for various applications and services. This is a unique 
>> offer in Europe. In other countries weather data is highly valuable and 
>> expensive."
>>
>>
>>
>> Congrats Pat!
>> Xant
>>
>>

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[weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Pat]

I'm looking at OpenWeatherMap and yr.no. Both look like they could handle 
worldwide current conditions and forecasts for free. More research to do 
though

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 12:22:20 PM UTC-4, Xant wrote:
>
>
> DarkSky announcement on it's blog: https://blog.darksky.net/
>
> Excerpt regarding DarkSky free Weather API: "Our API service for existing 
> customers is not changing today, but we will no longer accept new signups. 
> The API will continue to function through the end of 2021."
>
> Its sad, troublesome and concerning, as myself use DarkSky API for other 
> forecasts. 
>
> Immediate reaction from the tech World: 
> https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/1/21202259/android-weather-app-dark-sky-apple-purchase-api
>
> Quick list of 'almost free' Weather APIs: 
> https://rapidapi.com/blog/access-global-weather-data-with-these-weather-apis/
>
>
> Two really free, and consistent, Weather APIs:
>
>- NOAA: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cdo-web/webservices/v2
>
> Note: I may assume that using NOAA it is going direct to main weather data 
> source; also been ".gov" might be free for long
>
>  
>
>- YR.no: 
>
> https://hjelp.yr.no/hc/en-us/articles/360001940793-Free-weather-data-service-from-Yr
>
> Excerpt note from YR.no API webpage: "You can get a lot of the content on 
> Yr for free, to use for various applications and services. This is a unique 
> offer in Europe. In other countries weather data is highly valuable and 
> expensive."
>
>
>
> Congrats Pat!
> Xant
>
>

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[weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Xant]

DarkSky announcement on it's blog: https://blog.darksky.net/

Excerpt regarding DarkSky free Weather API: "Our API service for existing 
customers is not changing today, but we will no longer accept new signups. 
The API will continue to function through the end of 2021."

Its sad, troublesome and concerning, as myself use DarkSky API for other 
forecasts. 

Immediate reaction from the tech 
World: 
https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/1/21202259/android-weather-app-dark-sky-apple-purchase-api

Quick list of 'almost free' Weather 
APIs: 
https://rapidapi.com/blog/access-global-weather-data-with-these-weather-apis/


Two really free, and consistent, Weather APIs:

   - NOAA: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cdo-web/webservices/v2

Note: I may assume that using NOAA it is going direct to main weather data 
source; also been ".gov" might be free for long

 

   - YR.no: 
   
https://hjelp.yr.no/hc/en-us/articles/360001940793-Free-weather-data-service-from-Yr
   
Excerpt note from YR.no API webpage: "You can get a lot of the content on 
Yr for free, to use for various applications and services. This is a unique 
offer in Europe. In other countries weather data is highly valuable and 
expensive."



Congrats Pat!
Xant

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[weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[rich T]

Congats Pat

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 2:03:49 PM UTC-4, Pat wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, I'm a bit tied up and offline with the birth of my new 
> daughter, but I got news today that DarkSky has been acquired by Apple. For 
> existing API users, API will remain online until 2021, but they are not 
> accepting any new sign ups. 
>
> That's the sad reality of using free hosted services - they can be shut 
> down without a moments notice. 
>
> I'll research a new method for local conditions and forecasts. If anyone 
> knows of any that are free and has a public API, please let me know! 
>
> ( Maybe it's a good thing I haven't released 1.1 yet! ) 
>

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[weewx-user] Re: Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

[Adnan Mumtaz]

Congratulations Pat

On Tuesday, 31 March 2020 21:03:49 UTC+3, Pat wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, I'm a bit tied up and offline with the birth of my new 
> daughter, but I got news today that DarkSky has been acquired by Apple. For 
> existing API users, API will remain online until 2021, but they are not 
> accepting any new sign ups. 
>
> That's the sad reality of using free hosted services - they can be shut 
> down without a moments notice. 
>
> I'll research a new method for local conditions and forecasts. If anyone 
> knows of any that are free and has a public API, please let me know! 
>
> ( Maybe it's a good thing I haven't released 1.1 yet! ) 
>

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