Re: OK, time to moderate this list
On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Hrvoje Niksic wrote: I was also thinking about checking for `Wget' in the body, and things like that. That might be annoying (although it is certainly an option to consider anyway) as someone sending a mail legitimately may assume the matter being obvious from the list's name and definition and not repeat the program's name anywhere in the headers or the body (only a version number for example, or current when referring to a CVS snapshot). Just like I did here. ;-) -- + Maciej W. Rozycki, Technical University of Gdansk, Poland + +--+ +e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP key available+
Re: OK, time to moderate this list
Maciej W. Rozycki [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Hrvoje Niksic wrote: I was also thinking about checking for `Wget' in the body, and things like that. That might be annoying (although it is certainly an option to consider anyway) as someone sending a mail legitimately may assume the matter being obvious from the list's name and definition and not repeat the program's name anywhere in the headers or the body (only a version number for example, or current when referring to a CVS snapshot). Just like I did here. ;-) Don't get me wrong, a spam detection wouldn't get discarded; it would simply need to be approved by an editor. So even the false positives would make to the list, only a tad later.
Re: OK, time to moderate this list
Hrvoje == Hrvoje Niksic [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hrvoje Doug Kearns [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 04:08:36AM +0100, Hrvoje Niksic wrote: snip I think I agree with this. The amount of spam is staggering. I have no explanation as to why this happens on this list, and not on other lists which are *also* open to non-subscribers. I guess you are not subscribed to [EMAIL PROTECTED]? It is not just this list :-( Hrvoje Good to hear, for a certain deranged value of good. :-( Hrvoje However, I'm also subscribed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and Hrvoje to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Both of them allow non-subscriber Hrvoje posts, and very few spam on either. Hi Hrvoje, the xemacs-admins are putting in a fair amount of work to keep the spam out. I welcome you and the wget spam fighting volunteers to an exchange of ideas offline. I'm still on the wget list, but I agree with others that something needs to be done to keep the list a valuable resource. Best regards, Adrian Hrvoje Go figure. -- Adrian Aichner mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xemacs.org/
Re: OK, time to moderate this list
On 22/03/2002 07:06:13 Daniel Stenberg wrote: On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Hrvoje Niksic wrote: [snip] I think I agree with this. The amount of spam is staggering. I have no explanation as to why this happens on this list, and not on other lists which are *also* open to non-subscribers. Spammers work in mysterious ways. ;-) No, they work in fairly predictable ways. The wget mailinglist address is advertised on the wget homepage. According to empirical observations, if you publish a brand new email address on a web page, it'll receive spam within eight *hours* of it being published. -- Csaba Ráduly, Software Engineer Sophos Anti-Virus email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.sophos.com US Support: +1 888 SOPHOS 9 UK Support: +44 1235 559933
Re: OK, time to moderate this list
On 22 Mar 2002 at 4:08, Hrvoje Niksic wrote: The suggestion of having more than one admin is good, as long as there are people who volunteer to do it besides me. I'd volunteer too, but don't want to be the only person moderating the lists for the same reasons as yourself. (I'm also completely clueless about the process of moderating mailing lists at the moment!) I also have to check with the sunsite.dk people whether the ML manager, ezmlm, can handle this. If it only handles a single moderator account, perhaps a secure web-based email account could be set up for moderation purposes which the real moderators could log into on a regular basis.
Re: OK, time to moderate this list
Ian Abbott wrote:
On 22 Mar 2002 at 4:08, Hrvoje Niksic wrote:
The suggestion of having more than one admin is good, as long as there
are people who volunteer to do it besides me.
I'd volunteer too, but don't want to be the only person moderating
the lists for the same reasons as yourself. (I'm also completely
clueless about the process of moderating mailing lists at the
moment!)
I'll volunteer too, so now we have 4 moderators but all based in Europe
(If I've counted right: de, se, uk and dk). A couple of moderators from
other timezones (like America, Asia or Australia) would be nice.
I also have to check with the sunsite.dk people whether the ML
manager, ezmlm, can handle this.
If it only handles a single moderator account, perhaps a secure
web-based email account could be set up for moderation purposes
which the real moderators could log into on a regular basis.
Now that we are talking about changing the ml configuration. Some other
things I would like to have changed too:
- The current setup removes the original mail's headers. Change it so
that the original headers are preserved.
- Add a header with the receiver's subscribed email so {s,}he can
unsubscribe {her,him}self. The cygwin ml also running ezmlm adds this:
List-Unsubscribe:
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
List-Archive: http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin/
List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
http://sources.redhat.com/ml/#faqs
If we switch to mailman can it be configured to not send a password
reminder every month? I unsubscribed from a really low-traffic list on
sunsite.dk just because of this.
--
Med venlig hilsen / Kind regards
Hack Kampbjørn
Re: OK, time to moderate this list
Doug Kearns [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 04:08:36AM +0100, Hrvoje Niksic wrote: snip I think I agree with this. The amount of spam is staggering. I have no explanation as to why this happens on this list, and not on other lists which are *also* open to non-subscribers. I guess you are not subscribed to [EMAIL PROTECTED]? It is not just this list :-( Good to hear, for a certain deranged value of good. :-( However, I'm also subscribed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Both of them allow non-subscriber posts, and very few spam on either. Go figure.
Re: OK, time to moderate this list
On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Hrvoje Niksic wrote: I think I agree with this. The amount of spam is staggering. I have no explanation as to why this happens on this list, and not on other lists which are *also* open to non-subscribers. I guess you are not subscribed to [EMAIL PROTECTED]? It is not just this list :-( Good to hear, for a certain deranged value of good. :-( However, I'm also subscribed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Both of them allow non-subscriber posts, and very few spam on either. Go figure. Whether one list is vulnerable to large amount of spam usually just depends on whether it is listed in any spam list. I'm willing to bet $10 that once those lists is more exposed and more people are subscribing them, the lists will be doomed soon. The Internet is not once it used to be.. Abel -- GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc
Re: OK, time to moderate this list
On 2002-03-22 04:08 +0100, Hrvoje Niksic wrote: May I suggest that you set a filter that prevents postings to the list unless the poster is a subscriber. That filter should forward the mail to the admins to allow them the pass the mail through if suitable. Do you volunteer to do the work? I don't mean to be flippant here -- I often don't have time to do maintenance for weeks, and I would like the list to be alive even when the admin is not available. A simple rule to reject any message whose subject contains more than, say, fifty percent of non-ASCII characters would effortlessly block most of the spam. -- André Majorel [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/
Re: OK, time to moderate this list
Daniel, We're getting e-mail viruses sent to it now. It's time that the bug-wget address was directed somewhere else and this thing secured. I've been silent on this issue before, but I feel a need to chime in here and agree with Gordon. I too intend to jump ship if nothing is made about the spam situation. I've counted ~100 spams on the wget list only this year (yeah, I've stored all of them). May I suggest that you set a filter that prevents postings to the list unless the poster is a subscriber. That filter should forward the mail to the admins to allow them the pass the mail through if suitable. I think that if you just require membership in the list, that would keep out most of the SPAM. I don't think it's necessary that the list be moderated. Peter Ashford
Re: OK, time to moderate this list
On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 04:08:36AM +0100, Hrvoje Niksic wrote: snip I think I agree with this. The amount of spam is staggering. I have no explanation as to why this happens on this list, and not on other lists which are *also* open to non-subscribers. I guess you are not subscribed to [EMAIL PROTECTED]? It is not just this list :-( Regards, Doug
Re: OK, time to moderate this list
On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Gordon Fecyk - Home wrote: We're getting e-mail viruses sent to it now. It's time that the bug-wget address was directed somewhere else and this thing secured. I've been silent on this issue before, but I feel a need to chime in here and agree with Gordon. I too intend to jump ship if nothing is made about the spam situation. I've counted ~100 spams on the wget list only this year (yeah, I've stored all of them). May I suggest that you set a filter that prevents postings to the list unless the poster is a subscriber. That filter should forward the mail to the admins to allow them the pass the mail through if suitable. You could have X admins to lessen the burden for any single human. I'm not suggesting that I contribute anything even near to vital for this project, but I'd say that the frequency of spams here works as a demotivator for people to particpate. It will effectively prevent contributors and good mail communication. This of course matters both wget and bug-wget as they are directed to the same list. -- Daniel Stenberg - http://daniel.haxx.se - +46-705-44 31 77 ech`echo xiun|tr nu oc|sed 'sx\([sx]\)\([xoi]\)xo un\2\1 is xg'`ol
Re: OK, time to moderate this list
Definitely. I agree. Is there anyone running this list? Who is in charge here? Johnnie On 21 Mar 2002 at 8:32, Daniel Stenberg wrote: On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Gordon Fecyk - Home wrote: We're getting e-mail viruses sent to it now. It's time that the bug-wget address was directed somewhere else and this thing secured. I've been silent on this issue before, but I feel a need to chime in here and agree with Gordon.
