Re: [whatwg] Forced subtitles

2013-04-15 Thread Jonathan Garbee
I think it should be up to the developer to chose the default subtitles they want. What if someone is trying to localize a page, and the default subtitle is always English when they want Spanish? If not specified, the default subtitle should be the language specified of the page or video. But, if

Re: [whatwg] Forced subtitles

2013-04-15 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Hi Jonathan, All of what you're saying is indeed how it would work. The existing mean of publishing subtitles and the developer choice to add a @default attribute on a track that a developer wants activated by default is not affected by a new @kind=forced. You can still do all the things that

[whatwg] Forced subtitles

2013-04-11 Thread Eric Carlson
In working with real-world content with in-band subtitle tracks, I have realized that the spec doesn't accommodate forced subtitles. Forced subtitles are used when a video has dialog or text in a language that is different from the main language. For example in the Lord of the Rings, dialog

Re: [whatwg] Forced subtitles

2013-04-11 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
I think Eric is right - we need a new @kind=forced or @kind=forcedSubtitles value on track elements, because they behave differently from the subtitle kind: * are not listed in a track menu * are turned on by browser when no other subtitle or caption track is on * multiple forced subtitles tracks

Re: [whatwg] Forced subtitles

2013-04-11 Thread Eric Carlson
On Apr 11, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: I think Eric is right - we need a new @kind=forced or @kind=forcedSubtitles value on track elements, because they behave differently from the subtitle kind: * are not listed in a track menu * are turned on by