Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2011-01-05 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 23:02:45 +0100, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: If you need an intermediary format while editing, you can just use any syntax you like and have the editor treat it specially. If I'd need to

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2011-01-05 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:58:56 +0100, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: Therefore, my thinking is that comments should be removed during parsing and not be exposed to any layer above it. CSS does that too. It has not caused problems so far. It does mean editing tools need a slightly

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2011-01-05 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:58 AM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: !-- comments -- in particular won't work because -- is already used in the timing format: 00:00.000 -- 00:01.000 In any case, coming up with a syntax is not a problem, /* comments */ and // comments like

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2011-01-04 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 21:40:51 +0100, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: But what's the use case? Is it really useful to have comments in a subtitle file? Being able to put licensing/contact information at the top of

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2011-01-04 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 18:56:56 +0100, Simon Pieters sim...@opera.com wrote: On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:57:50 +0100, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: To use a different style for the cues that are sung together, so that you know when it's your turn to sing. It's not clear whether

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2011-01-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011, Glenn Maynard wrote: By the way, the WebSRT hit from Google (http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/websrt.html) is 404. I've had to read it out of the Google cache, since I'm not sure where it went. Oops. I thought I'd set up a redirect but I flubbed the

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2011-01-04 Thread Alex Bishop
On 03/01/2011 15:57, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: There was also some discussion about metadata. Language is sometimes necessary for the font engine to pick the right glyph. Could you elaborate on this? My assumption was that we'd just use CSS, which doesn't rely on language for this. It's not

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2011-01-04 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: If you need an intermediary format while editing, you can just use any syntax you like and have the editor treat it specially. If I'd need to write my own parser to write an editor for it, that's one thing--but I hope I

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2011-01-03 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Sat, 25 Dec 2010 07:39:02 +0100, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: + I've made track have a feature whereby a track can be enabled by default so that users who would otherwise not have any tracks enabled will get it enabled (without overriding the preferences of users who would have

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2011-01-03 Thread Simon Pieters
On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:57:50 +0100, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: To use a different style for the cues that are sung together, so that you know when it's your turn to sing. It's not clear whether multiple voices is really necessary. Can't you just do (using the new syntax):

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

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Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2011-01-03 Thread Glenn Maynard
By the way, the WebSRT hit from Google (http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/websrt.html) is 404. I've had to read it out of the Google cache, since I'm not sure where it went. On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: But what's the use case? Is

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2011-01-03 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote: By the way, the WebSRT hit from Google (http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/websrt.html) is 404.  I've had to read it out of the Google cache, since I'm not sure where it went. The format was renamed to WebVTT:

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-12-31 Thread Bruce Lawson
On Sat, 25 Dec 2010 06:39:02 -, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: [...] On Fri, 5 Nov 2010, Bruce Lawson wrote: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/complete/video.html#sourcing-in-band-timed-tracks says to create TimedTrack objects etc for in-band tracks which are then

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-11-05 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Another note on WebSRT: seeing the addition of the bdi element into HTML, we probably also need to add that to WebSRT cue level markup to allow bidirectional text formatting. http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/text-level-semantics.html#the-bdi-element Cheers, Silvia.

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-11-05 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 5:32 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: Another note on WebSRT: seeing the addition of the bdi element into HTML, we probably also need to add that to WebSRT cue level markup to allow bidirectional text formatting.

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-10-27 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:49:00 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Simon Pieters sim...@opera.com wrote: On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:09:24 +0200, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: Using !-- -- is a bad idea since the WebSRT syntax

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-10-27 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:49:00 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Simon Pieters sim...@opera.com wrote: On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:09:24 +0200, Philip Jägenstedt

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-10-22 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 22:35:50 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:30:03 +0200, Simon Pieters sim...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:11:16 +0200, Philip Jägenstedt

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-10-22 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 22:35:50 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:30:03 +0200, Simon Pieters

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-10-22 Thread Simon Pieters
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 11:21:44 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: Since the attributes in track are a hint, probably what is available in the file should overrule what is in the track attributes. It is the same for the @charset attribute, which is overruled to utf-8 for

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-10-22 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Simon Pieters sim...@opera.com wrote: On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 11:21:44 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: Since the attributes in track are a hint, probably what is available in the file should overrule what is in the track attributes. It is

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-10-22 Thread Simon Pieters
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 12:48:02 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Simon Pieters sim...@opera.com wrote: On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 11:21:44 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: Since the attributes in track are a hint,

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-10-22 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 11:45:24 +0200, Simon Pieters sim...@opera.com wrote: On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 11:21:44 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: Since the attributes in track are a hint, probably what is available in the file should overrule what is in the track attributes. It

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-10-22 Thread Odin Omdal Hørthe
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: Right. If we must have comments I think I'd prefer /* ... */ since both CSS and JavaScript have it, and I can't see that single-line comments will be easier from a parser perspective. Just a small, personal subjective

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-10-22 Thread Simon Pieters
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:09:24 +0200, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: Using !-- -- is a bad idea since the WebSRT syntax already uses --. I don't see the need for multiline comments. Right. If we must have comments I think I'd prefer /* ... */ since both CSS and JavaScript have

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-10-22 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Simon Pieters sim...@opera.com wrote: On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:09:24 +0200, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: Using !-- -- is a bad idea since the WebSRT syntax already uses --. I don't see the need for multiline comments. Right. If we must have

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-10-19 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:30:03 +0200, Simon Pieters sim...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:11:16 +0200, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: The point of a header is that browsers can identify WebSRT

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-10-19 Thread Odin Omdal Hørthe
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:19 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: [...] You're also excluding roll-on captions then which is a feature of live broadcasting. It isn't clear to me that an external file would be a good solution for live broadcasting, so I'm not sure this really matters. The

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-10-19 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Odin Omdal Hørthe odin.om...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:19 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: [...] You're also excluding roll-on captions then which is a feature of live broadcasting. It isn't clear to me that an external file would be a good

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-09-14 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.comwrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:50:09 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 01:27:48 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-09-14 Thread Simon Pieters
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:11:16 +0200, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: The point of a header is that browsers can identify WebSRT files and not keep parsing through a 100GB movie file, I don't think we should break SRT compat for this. I don't think this is a problem at all. We

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-09-14 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:33:42 +0200, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: I don't know, do we need comments anywhere? Putting them between cues might work, but is that useful? Apart from text/plain I cannot think of a web text format that does not have comments. Validators should

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-09-14 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:30:03 +0200, Simon Pieters sim...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:11:16 +0200, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: The point of a header is that browsers can identify WebSRT files and not keep parsing through a 100GB movie file, I don't think we

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-09-13 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 01:27:48 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.comwrote: On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:08:43 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Ian

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-09-13 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.comwrote: On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 01:27:48 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:08:43 +0200, Silvia

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-09-10 Thread Eric Carlson
On Sep 9, 2010, at 6:08 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 2010, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: I'm not a fan of pauseOnExit, though, mostly because it seems non-trivial to implement. Since it is last in the argument

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-09-10 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.comwrote: On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:08:43 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 2010, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: If we must have

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-09-08 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Wed, 08 Sep 2010 01:19:17 +0200, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 2010, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/video.html#attr-track-kind The distinction between subtitles and captions isn't terribly clear. It says that

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-09-08 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:27 AM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: On Wed, 08 Sep 2010 01:19:17 +0200, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: We could say that a custom voice has to start with some punctuation or other, say :philip? Yes, that would be better than numerical voices IMO.

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks: feedback compendium

2010-09-07 Thread Chris Double
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Thu, 26 Aug 2010, Chris Double wrote: Firefox (in the case of video) uses file extensions to identify video files. We have an internal maping of file extensions to mime types. We don't sniff the content. I imagine we'd do the