On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Robin Berjon ro...@w3.org wrote:
foreignObject size=auto
Bikeshedding: @seamless (q.v. iframe)
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On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
It would help catch the not uncommon antipattern where the content
of a link or button is provided only by a background image.
a href=somewhere/a
a href=somewhere
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-values/#calc ?
Indeed!
And this is not only specified but being widely implemented:
http://caniuse.com/calc
There are also a lot of new CSS layout features in the pipeline (e.g.
flexbox). So I don't see much of a future of HTML-layer or JS-layer
layout.
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to
language features that might be usable one day …
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with data-flow computations.
Are you talking about something like the calculate property from XForms?
Something that could handle simple event processing such as drop down menus
Already got it. See select, menu, and @contextmenu.
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On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:43 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Sat, 4 Aug 2012, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
Would it be possible to combine this with the linter complaining about
all controls (links, buttons, form fields) have markup that yield a
non-empty accessible name without
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi wrote:
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
bhawkesle...@googlemail.com wrote:
Would it be possible to combine this with the linter complaining about
all controls (links, buttons, form fields) have markup
the not uncommon antipattern where the content
of a link or button is provided only by a background image.
a href=somewhere/a
a href=somewhere-else/a
button class=delete/button
etc.
I'm especially keen on hearing about plausibility from Henri and Michael.
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(potentially long) equivalent text
rather than being a short name for the image though. Once both @alt
and @title can be used to provide what could loosely be called titling
information, the rationale for presenting the two differently begins
to weaken.
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that
it's non-conforming depends on applying it to individual aspects.
That's not misreading the requirement, but it's not the only viable
reading.
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RDFa's @property and @typeof are whitespace-separated lists of CURIEs:
http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-in-html/#extensions-to-the-html5-syntax
http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-core/#s_syntax
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to be
created (and discourage use of HTML-unfriendly and
syntax-highlighter-unaware processing instructions)?
server-side files to be created - what do you mean?
What would this attribute do?
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=a.jpg 600w 200h 1x,
b.jpg 600w 200h 2x,
c.jpg 200w 200h
Perhaps changing the syntax to avoid confusion with units might help too:
img src=a.jpg alt=
set=a.jpg 600x200 1x,
b.jpg 600x200 2x,
c.jpg 200x200
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authors to
support more than Webkit, witness the widespread inaccessibility of
web services, etc.
Depressing but true.
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=
set=a.jpg 600x200 1x,
b.jpg 600x200 2x,
c.jpg 200x200
/section
section { /* generic style rules */ }
section! img:intrinsic-aspect-ratio(2) { /* specific overrides for
section when the UA picks the narrow image */ }
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and a localized display format?
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enhance machine processing capabilities.
Compare:
http://wiki.csswg.org/ideas/content-formatting
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Mar/0575.html
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(e.g. microdata, microformats, RDFa).
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On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Andrés Sanhueza
peroyomasli...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/4/26 Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis bhawkesle...@googlemail.com:
On Apr 26, 2012 5:39 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
according to the definition of
footer, it appears that authorship information
before the horse.
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On Apr 25, 2012 9:20 PM, Andrés Sanhueza peroyomasli...@gmail.com wrote:
I see no reason a
footer as in textual metadata of a section can't be inside a
header (lead of a section). Could this be considered to be
allowed?
Do you have a real example where you think that markup would be useful?
On Apr 26, 2012 5:39 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
according to the definition of
footer, it appears that authorship information is most appropriate
to put there. But sometimes the byline is placed inside the header
area, which is reasonably marked up with a header.
Isn't
of ARIA markup _especially_ in those cases, where we do not discourage
other JS-dependent initial markup like (say):
button type=button (without an associated form)
or
a href=javascript: ...
etc.
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, the HTML5 spec allows extensions by other specifications.
The HTML5+RDFa specification is making use of that facility.
By writing an implementation that complies with HTML5+RDFa, you write
an implementation that complies with both.
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/svg
/h1
I feel that in both instances, Company Name should become the
section title for the respective section.
Doesn't the spec imply it should?
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many users then.
No, a screenreader wouldn't read the tags.
Maybe the people you talked to imagined you were talking about placing
escaped markup into an attribute?
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, source, object
fallback content, and @hidden also give you the creeps?
I just feel there’s something to be said for keeping the element consistent
and self-contained.
self-contained I'll grant, but consistent with what?
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between documents without
executing script makes it much easier for automated agents to make use
of those relationships. For example, Google PageRank delivers
extremely good search results by analysing links expressed through
this simple semantic markup.
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- including future features
that allow rearrangement of the order of block content, for example:
http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-content/
We generally don't want to introduce markup features for problems that
can be solved through better styling features.
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On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fi wrote:
6.9.2011 12:40, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
[S]elf-contained composition in a document, page, application, or
site and that is, in principle, independently distributable or
reusable, e.g. in syndication is a concept
). So this use case
may be too narrow to support introducing core vocabulary.
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should evaluate it based on how it
solves problems.)
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microformats, microdata, or RDFa.
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, and the results of their labors will be
dumped into the relevant HTML5 structural elements, as generated by
code produced by the much smaller segment of authors with marginally
better spec awareness.
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have buttons for address, cite, or even dl? If you
want to use these elements you have to get your hands dirty, even if most of
your page structure is generated.
Indeed. Naturally, these elements don't occur in content authored by
most people.
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On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
bhawkesle...@googlemail.com wrote:
I think it's reasonable to say that 0.01% or less of the _content_ on
the web (as opposed to the _code_) is written by non-developers.
Should of course have read:
I think it's reasonable to say that 99.9
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Simon Heckmann si...@simonheckmann.de wrote:
I have written a short document covering my proposal:
www.simonheckmann.de/download/Proposal.pdf (3 pages, ~200KB)
I can't open this PDF in Preview.
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are likely to face an uphill struggle.
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confused by your examples. What extractable statement are you trying to
markup with microdata here? Is it: the United Nations is in New York?
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On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Brett Zamir bret...@yahoo.com wrote:
On 4/26/2011 5:33 PM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Brett Zamirbret...@yahoo.com wrote:
This would prevent the need for such ugly hacks as:
span id=UnitedNations style=display:none
information?
http://microformats.org/wiki/principles
http://tantek.com/log/2005/06.html#d03t2359
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to which you allude? Or is UAAG2 missing some important
advice?
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/current-work/multipage/the-iframe-element.html#the-iframe-element
I don't think this is a huge problem, though.
Well, it is /a/ problem at any rate.
http://www.stevesouders.com/blog/2009/06/03/using-iframes-sparingly/
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/WINDOWS/CP949.TXT
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On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
bhawkesle...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:23 AM, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote:
It is covered by the WAI ARIA 1.0 LC doc.
Note this usage is waiting on a putative change to WAI-ARIA to define
its meaning when
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Martin Janecke whatwg@kaor.in wrote:
Am 30.12.2010 um 22:49 schrieb Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis:
[snip]
1. What problem(s) does indicating where mistakes have been reproduced
solve?
I understand the question in this context as a concrete formulation
stating
the fact:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States_of_America#Section_2
I don't see that the comment adds anything that q and blockquote do not.
I meant to say: a comment seems to work fine here.
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/states_and_properties#aria-selected
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sometimes, but it sure is precise.
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vocabulary imported into HTML via annotations like RDFa,
microdata, or microformats?
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#the-address-element
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.
http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-wai-aria-20100916/complete#aria-invalid
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either unless you enable the
Developer menu.
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-in cameras. Info
and generator:
QR codes have a maximum capacity of 7,089 characters, well within the
10,000 characters requirement I suggest above.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_Code
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On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
bhawkesle...@googlemail.com wrote:
Allowing UAs explicitly to provide information via dedicated optional
fields is different to requiring UAs them to leak it in the course of
providing another service (such as spelling).
It's worth noting
with the IME provider.
It might also be worth documenting techniques for accessible IMEs in UAAG.
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at the extension level would at least work with all
text entry controls across the web, rather than just individual sites.
I think groups who should be involved in a discussion around API
convergence include CommonJS and the GreaseMonkey community.
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On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote:
On 11/28/2010 11:30 PM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
Breaches would include:
1. Detecting the user's language (including fine distinctions like
British/US English).
2. Fingerprinting the user's system. Different
from the two menus together, or provide the page's context
menu as a submenu of the default menu.
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/interactive-elements.html#context-menus
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and
roll your own over XHR/web sockets.
http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/editing.html#spelling-and-grammar-checking
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),
for emphasis (strong), to differentiate keyboard input (kbd), etc.
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not the end all be all solution for validations but
it does also keep continue the paradigm.
New features should perpetuate the good paradigm represented by the label
element, not the bad paradigm represented by the title attribute.
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/wiki/FAQ#Is_there_a_process_for_adding_new_features_to_a_specification.3F
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not require justification.
I'm not saying your new feature is without any justification.
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more like commands in a toolbar than a tablist. Couldn't you use
the menu element?
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/interactive-elements.html#menus
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, the first focused control
in the dialog can be changed without touching the script.
Maybe I'm just missing the problem you're trying to solve here?
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.
Titles of works are commonly distinguished from surrounding text and
italics is a common format for many titles of works would statements
that would be hard to argue with.
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-20081211/G58.html
Do these features meet your requirements? If not, why not?
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to
a description to be exposed to system accessibility APIs.
So they are rather different.
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On 10/08/2009 00:12, Remco wrote:
Shouldn'tvideos andaudios (and maybeobjects too?) also have
an alt attribute?
Bearing in mind:
http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#text-equiv
and
http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#media-equiv
What function would alt on video serve?
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presentation) for web !!
What's wrong with SMIL, or, if you want to use HTML, something like
http://www.w3.org/Talks/Tools/Slidy/#(1) , perhaps updated with the CSS
transitions and animations being discussed by the CSS WG?
http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work
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=presentation.
http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/#presentation
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and what these symbols mean?
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On 8/2/09 13:18, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
2009/2/8 Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis bhawkesle...@googlemail.com
mailto:bhawkesle...@googlemail.com
On 7/2/09 20:07, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
Yes, but what properties should I query for?
In order to find out what, precisely?
What to reset
). The color
of course is a matter of visual themes and platform.
http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-February/018408.html
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are free to use any method they like to mimic
the suggested rendering, including CSS3 UI where applicable. They don't
have to use BE CSS at all.
If this is not obvious from the text, perhaps you would like to suggest
a change to the text that would make it clearer?
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guidelines:
http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-USERAGENT/guidelines.html#gl-user-control-styles
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reflecting a target market's
differing preferences for presentation, rather than require the users to
configure it first?
Are you proposing such a UA should be non-conforming?
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.
I believe nesting blocks inside p elements is currently allowed in the
XML serialization, however, since HTML5 does not face the same
web-corpus-parsing constraints there.
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-readable equivalent (i.e. it's a more
markup-like way of doing things). My feeling is that the cost of bad
designs for embedded data is (1) unavoidable and (2) less than the
benefits of avoiding misuse of other (X)HTML features for embedding data.
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.
Then we could be sure we're solving a real problem.
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you're attempting to solve additional problems (data extraction?
special navigation?).
Naming elements tends to be a case of choosing the least worst option,
unfortunately.
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be for private use only and turning it into a distributed
extension point may be worse than the alternatives.
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elaborated above. It wouldn't change the language by the back door.
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you could download an image, change its
licencing metadata, and host it at your own Origin? Admittedly, that's a
little more work than just hotlinking.
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to be represented on the web or that i
doesn't actually deliver media independence on this front. i plus
microformats might.
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Does anyone remembermarquee ?
That's a bad example. MARQUEE was never standardized in a specification,
so it was never possible to deprecate it.
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and one or
more Q or BLOCKQUOTE elements.
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suggestion above).
Gradually, n° 3 will disappear, because there's no actual needing for HTML.
Except on the ad-supported web…
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. They are generally patterned after the
(unwritten) rules that existing user agents follow, for backwards
compatibility reasons. Duplicated id attributes, sadly, are not that rare.
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timeless wrote:
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ultimately, a user agent or user can always reject
presentational fluff.
designing a user interface to enable users to tell their user agent to
ignore such content ends up being more complicated and problematic
than supporting
and BLOCKQUOTE,
without a distinguishing element makes matters substantially harder. And
even if we had a CREDIT element as Simon suggests, I'm not sure how that
would allow authors to quot[e] text that happens to have its attribution.
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