[whatwg] [url] merge progress

2014-11-30 Thread Sam Ruby
://intertwingly.net/projects/pegurl/url-merge.html See the readme for more information on webspecs: https://github.com/webspecs/url#readme - Sam Ruby

[whatwg] URL Statics questions

2014-11-28 Thread Sam Ruby
is that I'm working on rewriting the URL parser per https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25946, and would like to update the https://url.spec.whatwg.org/#host-parsing to be consistent. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] URL interop status and reference implementation demos

2014-11-22 Thread Sam Ruby
On 11/21/2014 05:32 PM, Domenic Denicola wrote: From: Sam Ruby [mailto:ru...@intertwingly.net] I guess I didn't make the point clearly before. This is not a waterfall process where somebody writes down a spec and expects implementations to eventually catch up. That line of thinking

Re: [whatwg] URL interop status and reference implementation demos

2014-11-19 Thread Sam Ruby
without a test, and so on. Thanks! I've tried to follow the example that the streams spec is providing. Including the naming of directories. From: whatwg [mailto:whatwg-boun...@lists.whatwg.org] On Behalf Of Sam Ruby https://url.spec.whatwg.org/interop/urltest-results/ I'd be interested

Re: [whatwg] URL interop status and reference implementation demos

2014-11-19 Thread Sam Ruby
On 11/19/2014 09:32 AM, Domenic Denicola wrote: From: Sam Ruby [mailto:ru...@intertwingly.net] Done, sort-of: https://url.spec.whatwg.org/interop/browser-results/ Excellent, this is a great subset to have. I am curious what it means when testdata is in the user agents with differences

Re: [whatwg] URL interop status and reference implementation demos

2014-11-19 Thread Sam Ruby
On 11/19/2014 09:55 AM, Domenic Denicola wrote: From: Sam Ruby [mailto:ru...@intertwingly.net] These results compare user agents against each other. The testdata is provided for reference. Then why is testdata listed as a user agent? It clearly is mislabled. Pull requests welcome

[whatwg] URL interop status and reference implementation demos

2014-11-18 Thread Sam Ruby
differences from the published standard: intertwingly.net/projects/pegurl/url.html - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] URL interop status and reference implementation demos

2014-11-18 Thread Sam Ruby
will be. In each case of a known difference in published results, I've linked to rationale for the change (generally to an indication that Anne agrees). I hope this helps. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] [url] Feedback from TPAC

2014-11-04 Thread Sam Ruby
/x Of course, if there are any bugs in the proposed reference implementation, I'm interested in that too. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] [url] Feedback from TPAC

2014-11-04 Thread Sam Ruby
On 11/04/2014 09:32 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: To help foster discussion, I've made an alternate version of the live URL parser page, one that enables setting of the base URL: http://intertwingly.net/projects/pegurl

Re: [whatwg] [url] Feedback from TPAC

2014-11-04 Thread Sam Ruby
-IE browsers. I had to add the former to get IE working. But, as you undoubtedly have noted, unknown base schemes seem to cause IE too ignore the base URL entirely. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] [url] Feedback from TPAC

2014-11-02 Thread Sam Ruby
On 11/02/2014 02:32 PM, Graham Klyne wrote: On 01/11/2014 00:01, Sam Ruby wrote: 3) Explicitly state that canonical URLs (i.e., the output of the URL parse step) not only round trip but also are valid URIs. If there are any RFC 3986 errata and/or willful violations necessary to make

Re: [whatwg] [url] Feedback from TPAC

2014-11-01 Thread Sam Ruby
On 11/1/14 5:29 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 1:01 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: Meanwhile, The IETF is actively working on a update: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-uri-scheme-reg-04 They are meeting F2F in a little over a week. URIs

Re: [whatwg] [url] Feedback from TPAC

2014-11-01 Thread Sam Ruby
On 11/1/14 7:56 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On 11/1/14 5:29 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: It doesn't say that. (We should perhaps try to find some way to make {scheme}:// syntax work for schemes that are not problematic

Re: [whatwg] [url] Feedback from TPAC

2014-11-01 Thread Sam Ruby
to 3986. - Sam Ruby Barry, IETF Applications AD On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: bcc: WebApps, IETF, TAG in the hopes that replies go to a single place. - - - I took the opportunity this week to meet with a number of parties interested in the topic

[whatwg] [url] Feedback from TPAC

2014-10-31 Thread Sam Ruby
describe above were done, the IETF would be open to the idea of errata to RFC3987 and updating specs to reference URLs. - Sam Ruby [1] http://intertwingly.net/projects/pegurl/url.html [2] https://www.ietf.org/meeting/91/index.html [3] https://url.spec.whatwg.org/#relative-scheme

Re: [whatwg] questions on URL spec based on reviewing galimatias test results

2014-10-30 Thread Sam Ruby
On 10/30/14 2:09 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: http://intertwingly.net/projects/pegurl/urltest-results/d674c14cbe I'll note that galimatias doesn't produce a parse error in this case (and, in fact, the state machine

[whatwg] questions on URL spec based on reviewing galimatias test results

2014-10-29 Thread Sam Ruby
here: https://url.spec.whatwg.org/#host-state And the following only defines fatal errors (e.g. step 5); https://url.spec.whatwg.org/#concept-host-parser My proposed reference implementation does indicate a parse error with these inputs, but this could easily be removed. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] questions on URL spec based on reviewing galimatias test results

2014-10-29 Thread Sam Ruby
On 10/29/14 4:47 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: 2) Is the following expected to product a parse error: http://intertwingly.net/projects/pegurl/urltest-results/bc6ea8bdf8 ? What is the DNS violation supposed to mean? I

Re: [whatwg] questions on URL spec based on reviewing galimatias test results

2014-10-29 Thread Sam Ruby
On 10/29/14 4:47 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: 1) Is the following expected to produce a parse error: http://intertwingly.net/projects/pegurl/urltest-results/4b60e32190 ? My reading of https://url.spec.whatwg.org

Re: [whatwg] URL: spec review - basic_parser

2014-10-14 Thread Sam Ruby
On 10/14/2014 03:41 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: 1) rows where the notes merely say href are cases where parse errors are thrown and failure is returned. The expected results are an object that returns the original href

Re: [whatwg] URL: spec review - basic_parser

2014-10-14 Thread Sam Ruby
On 10/14/2014 05:49 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: At the present time, all I can say is that the https://url.spec.whatwg.org/, https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/blob/master/url/, and https://github.com/annevk/url

Re: [whatwg] URL: spec review - basic_parser

2014-10-14 Thread Sam Ruby
. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] URL: spec review - basic_parser

2014-10-13 Thread Sam Ruby
sections, and comments that identify step numbers. - Sam Ruby P.S. I didn't update to the latest test data yet; but from what I can see the changes wouldn't materially affect the results, so I am publishing now. P.P.S. Preview of what is yet to come, ruby2js run against my implementation

Re: [whatwg] URL: spec review - basic_parser

2014-10-12 Thread Sam Ruby
On 10/12/2014 04:18 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On 10/10/2014 08:19 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: 2) https://url.spec.whatwg.org/#concept-basic-url-parser I'm interpreting terminate this algorithm and return failure

Re: [whatwg] URL: spec review - basic_parser

2014-10-11 Thread Sam Ruby
On 10/10/2014 08:19 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: I've now completed step 1, as described at [1]. Here are my questions/comments: 1) https://url.spec.whatwg.org/#url-code-points U+D8000 to U+DFFFD are invalid as they are within the UTF-16 surrogate range Disregard this comment, it turns out

[whatwg] URL: spec review - basic_parser

2014-10-10 Thread Sam Ruby
of the path will be accumulated into buffer, but that buffer will never be added to the path - Sam Ruby [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2014Oct/0053.html

Re: [whatwg] URL: test case review

2014-10-06 Thread Sam Ruby
On 10/06/2014 12:42 PM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 3:13 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: http://intertwingly.net/stories/2014/10/05/urltest-results/24f081633d This does not match what I find in browsers. (I did not look through the list exhaustively, see below

Re: [whatwg] URL: test case review

2014-10-06 Thread Sam Ruby
On 10/06/2014 12:59 PM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On 10/06/2014 12:42 PM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 3:13 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: http://intertwingly.net/stories/2014/10/05/urltest

[whatwg] URL: test case review

2014-10-05 Thread Sam Ruby
: http://intertwingly.net/blog/2014/10/02/WHATWG-URL-vs-IETF-URI - Sam Ruby [1] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/master/url/urltestdata.txt

[whatwg] Request for HTML.next ideas

2011-04-06 Thread Sam Ruby
which goes from the 15th of May to the 17th of May. Thanks! - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Article: Growing pains afflict HTML5 standardization

2010-07-12 Thread Sam Ruby
recovery, which IMHO isn't required. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Technical Parity with W3C HTML Spec

2010-06-25 Thread Sam Ruby
as it is currently described in the WHATWG draft? Most importantly, how can we deescalate tensions rather that continuing in this manner? - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Technical Parity with W3C HTML Spec

2010-06-25 Thread Sam Ruby
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: Yet, when you made the change, you did it in a way that made the WHATWG version not a proper superset. On closer reading, it turns out that I was incorrect here. It still, however, remains a divergence, it still is mis

Re: [whatwg] Technical Parity with W3C HTML Spec

2010-06-25 Thread Sam Ruby
that such a discussion happen on a publicly archived mailing list. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Technical Parity with W3C HTML Spec

2010-06-25 Thread Sam Ruby
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Sam Ruby wrote: On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: While I agree that it is helpful for us to cooperate, I should point out that the WHATWG was never formally approached

Re: [whatwg] A New Way Forward for HTML5 (revised)

2009-07-27 Thread Sam Ruby
as a Working Draft. You are welcome to do likewise[2]. JF - Sam Ruby [1] http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#first-wd [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jul/0627.html

Re: [whatwg] A New Way Forward for HTML5 (revised)

2009-07-27 Thread Sam Ruby
John Foliot wrote: Sam Ruby wrote: Really? This appears to be exactly the single, special status privilege currently reserved for Ian Hickson. False. ...and yes, I stand corrected. Although the *impression* that this is the current status remains fairly pervasive; however I will endeavor

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-12 Thread Sam Ruby
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Shelley Powers shell...@burningbird.net wrote: I would say if your fellow Google developers could understand how this all works, there is hope for others. if http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009May/0064.html Shelley - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] RDFa is to structured data, like canvas is to bitmap and SVG is to vector

2009-01-18 Thread Sam Ruby
change by browser vendors, which also is a cost that needs to be factored in. But right now, I am interested in how it would affect the web if this were done. -- Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi http://hsivonen.iki.fi/ - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] RDFa is to structured data, like canvas is to bitmap and SVG is to vector

2009-01-17 Thread Sam Ruby
Key to Ian's decision was the importance of DOM integration for this vocabulary. If DOM integration is essential for RDFa, then perhaps the same principles apply. If not, perhaps some other principles may apply. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] RDFa is to structured data, like canvas is to bitmap and SVG is to vector

2009-01-17 Thread Sam Ruby
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Dan Brickley dan...@danbri.org wrote: On 17/1/09 19:27, Sam Ruby wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Shelley Powers shell...@burningbird.net wrote: The debate about RDFa highlights a disconnect in the decision making related to HTML5. Perhaps

Re: [whatwg] RDFa is to structured data, like canvas is to bitmap and SVG is to vector

2009-01-17 Thread Sam Ruby
into the options and making recommendations may help. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] RDFa is to structured data, like canvas is to bitmap and SVG is to vector

2009-01-17 Thread Sam Ruby
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Shelley Powers shell...@burningbird.net wrote: Sam Ruby wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Shelley Powers shell...@burningbird.net wrote: I propose that RDFa is the best solution to the use case Martin supplied, and we've shown how

Re: [whatwg] RDFa is to structured data, like canvas is to bitmap and SVG is to vector

2009-01-17 Thread Sam Ruby
named xmlns:foo. There is a similar inconsistency in how xml:lang is handled. Discuss. -- Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi http://hsivonen.iki.fi/ - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] How to use SVG in HTML5?

2008-01-23 Thread Sam Ruby
On Jan 23, 2008 2:13 PM, Krzysztof Żelechowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SVG is too heavyweight for the purpose of such tiny presentational enhancements. I can provide counterexamples: http://intertwingly.net/blog/ http://intertwingly.net/blog/archives/ - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Entity parsing

2007-06-23 Thread Sam Ruby
a failure on a test named test_title_body_named_charref. Before, A mdash B == A — B, now A mdash B == A amp;mdash B. Is that what we really want? Testing with Firefox, the old behavior is preferable. - Sam Ruby

[whatwg] web-apps/current-work/#datetime-parser

2007-04-17 Thread Sam Ruby
. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Attribute for holding private data for scripting

2007-04-11 Thread Sam Ruby
Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On Apr 10, 2007, at 8:12 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On Apr 10, 2007, at 2:14 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:41:12 +0200, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How so? I missed the part where you wanted to change

Re: [whatwg] Attribute for holding private data for scripting

2007-04-11 Thread Sam Ruby
Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:40:39 +0200, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Per HTML5 section 8.1.2.3, however, such an attribute name would not be considered conformant. Yes, only attributes defined in the specification are conformant. I was specifically referring

Re: [whatwg] Attribute for holding private data for scripting

2007-04-11 Thread Sam Ruby
Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:40:39 +0200, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To give a specific example: say I make my own mjsml prefix with namespace http://example.org/mjsml;. In HTML4 UAs, to look up an mjsml:extension attribute using getAttribute(mjsml:extension

Re: [whatwg] Attribute for holding private data for scripting

2007-04-11 Thread Sam Ruby
Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:53:21 +0200, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:40:39 +0200, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Per HTML5 section 8.1.2.3, however, such an attribute name would not be considered conformant. Yes

Re: [whatwg] Attribute for holding private data for scripting

2007-04-11 Thread Sam Ruby
differently than in XML. While Python's minidom does not appear to produce the desired results when I call getElementById, it otherwise seems to handle the document identically to the way Firefox does: http://intertwingly.net/stories/2007/04/10/test.py - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Attribute for holding private data for scripting

2007-04-10 Thread Sam Ruby
On 4/10/07, Simon Pieters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or allow any attribute that starts with x_ or something (to prevent clashing with future revisions of HTML), as private attributes. Instead of starts with x_, how about contains a colon? A conformance checker could ensure that there is a

Re: [whatwg] Attribute for holding private data for scripting

2007-04-10 Thread Sam Ruby
On 4/10/07, Anne van Kesteren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:21:27 +0200, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or allow any attribute that starts with x_ or something (to prevent clashing with future revisions of HTML), as private attributes. Instead of starts with x_, how

Re: [whatwg] Attribute for holding private data for scripting

2007-04-10 Thread Sam Ruby
Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:41:12 +0200, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How so? I missed the part where you wanted to change existing HTML parsers. I thought Hixie pointed out earlier (by means of examples) why we can't have namespace parsing in HTML. I suppose we can

Re: [whatwg] Attribute for holding private data for scripting

2007-04-10 Thread Sam Ruby
Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On Apr 10, 2007, at 2:14 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:41:12 +0200, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How so? I missed the part where you wanted to change existing HTML parsers. I thought Hixie pointed out earlier (by means

Re: [whatwg] Pre element question

2007-01-19 Thread Sam Ruby
Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, Sam Ruby wrote: People often code things like the following: pre one two three /pre Visually, this ends up looking something like +---+ | | | one | | two | | three | +---+ with the following CSS rule: pre { border: solid 1px #000

[whatwg] Standard DOM Serialization? [was :Common Subset]

2006-12-09 Thread Sam Ruby
. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Standard DOM Serialization? [was :Common Subset]

2006-12-09 Thread Sam Ruby
Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:29:03 +0100, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there is no interest in standardizing a serialization (or separate standard serializations form HTML5 and XHTML5), then this discussion belongs on [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. http

Re: [whatwg] Standard DOM Serialization? [was :Common Subset]

2006-12-09 Thread Sam Ruby
Henri Sivonen wrote: On Dec 10, 2006, at 02:09, Sam Ruby wrote: I am asking whether there is interest in identifying ONE standard serialization that everybody who wishes to comply with could do so. Why? For digital signatures? For comparing parse trees from different parsers? My train

Re: [whatwg] Inline SVG

2006-12-08 Thread Sam Ruby
elements are in the DOM. Not as an opaque blob, but as a set of scriptable and stylable elements. Take a look at the following: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/SVG_In_HTML_Introduction - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Test cases for parsing spec (Was: Re: Provding Better Tools)

2006-12-07 Thread Sam Ruby
Karl Dubost wrote: Sam, Le 6 déc. 2006 à 23:13, Sam Ruby a écrit : My original interest was to write a replacement for Python's SGMLLIB, i.e., one that was not based on the theoretical ideal of how SGML vocabularies work, but one based on the practical notion of how HTML actually is parsed

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-07 Thread Sam Ruby
an example: http://scott.userland.com/2005/11/09.html - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Sanctity of MIME types

2006-12-06 Thread Sam Ruby
Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Sam Ruby wrote: Independent of what the specs say *MUST* happen, I'd like people to bring up one or more browsers with a URL from this list, and see if the browser asked them if they wanted to subscribe. Subscribe is not a normal feature associated

Re: [whatwg] Test cases for parsing spec (Was: Re: Provding Better Tools)

2006-12-06 Thread Sam Ruby
://feedvalidator.org/testcases/ http://feedparser.org/tests/ My goal would be to produce something that I could use within the feedparser (and therefore, planet). - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Windows-1252 entities

2006-12-06 Thread Sam Ruby
reasons. +1, though I would suggest a one change: 159: 376 // Yuml; - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Sanctity of MIME types

2006-12-06 Thread Sam Ruby
Robert Sayre wrote: On 12/5/06, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a request. It would be nice if the sniffing algorithm made an exception for text/plain. It would be nice, but Use case: http://svn.smedbergs.us/wordpress-atom10/tags/0.6/wp-atom10-comments.php Fixed in FF 2.0.0.1

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-06 Thread Sam Ruby
Ian Hickson wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Sam Ruby wrote: xmlns attributes are invalid on HTML elements except html, and when found on unrecognized [elements] imply style=display:none unless you recognize the value of this attribute. There are millions of documents that would be broken

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-06 Thread Sam Ruby
Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Sam Ruby wrote: The common pattern that I see is that xmlns=. It's certainly the more common value, but it is by no means the only one, as you will see if you examine the various examples I gave in more detail. My bad. Point made. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-05 Thread Sam Ruby
work, you are hardly representative of the majority of Web authors, which is who I have to primarily take into account when it comes to the spec. Agreed. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-05 Thread Sam Ruby
Ian Hickson wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Sam Ruby wrote: Case in point: http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/2006/12/01/The-White-Pebble In IE, there's some stray XHTML HTML and XHTML HTML XML text. This isn't acceptable to most people. It certainly isn't something that it would make sense

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-04 Thread Sam Ruby
. All I ask is that you keep an open mind while we collectively explore whether there are extremely selective and surgical changes that can be made to html5 -- like the change to allow empty element syntax only on a handful of elements. On Sat, 2 Dec 2006, Sam Ruby wrote: The question

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-04 Thread Sam Ruby
if the internal-data-model to HTML5 conversion is lossless. If it is not, people will find ways with structured comments or by creating intentionally invalid HTML5 and relying on the error recovery that is either prescribed or observed to be commonly practiced. - Sam Ruby

[whatwg] Sanctity of MIME types

2006-12-04 Thread Sam Ruby
on this information, but that's outside of the control of the parser. IMHO, the parser itself shouldn't complain when it finds a HTML4 DOCTYPE, or an XHTML2 DOCTYPE for that matter. Of course, a lot more HTML4 documents would be valid HTML5 than XHTML 2 documents. - Sam Ruby

[whatwg] wiki: HtmlVsXhtml

2006-12-03 Thread Sam Ruby
In the hopes that it will bring focus to this discussion: http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/HtmlVsXhtml - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Valid Unicode

2006-12-02 Thread Sam Ruby
/cafeaulaitA/ - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] markup as authored in practice

2006-12-02 Thread Sam Ruby
produced by the script in the following HTML5 document? http://intertwingly.net/stories/2006/12/02/whatwg.logo Any takers? - Sam Ruby P.S. That script, complete with indentation and readable variable names, is still an order of magnitude smaller than http://whatwg.org/images/logo

Re: [whatwg] markup as authored in practice

2006-12-02 Thread Sam Ruby
unresolved issues that need to be worked? - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] markup as authored in practice

2006-12-02 Thread Sam Ruby
On 12/2/06, David Hyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shipping Safari has no SVG support. WebKit nightlies do. That's the only reason the logo now renders correctly in the nightlies so that particular file is completely irrelevant to this discussion. I'm confused. Which file? And why is it

Re: [whatwg] Valid Unicode

2006-12-02 Thread Sam Ruby
On 12/2/06, Henri Sivonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 2, 2006, at 18:24, Sam Ruby wrote: It would not be wise for HTML5 to limit itself to the more constrained character set of XML. In particular, the form feed character is pretty popular, BTW, I copy and pasted the wrong table

Re: [whatwg] Allow trailing slash in always-empty HTML5 elements?

2006-11-30 Thread Sam Ruby
portions of this discussion framed in terms that border on the discussions of epic battles with Zeldman. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Allow trailing slash in always-empty HTML5 elements?

2006-11-30 Thread Sam Ruby
On 11/30/06, Michel Fortin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We can't really have a document that is both HTML5 and XHTML5 at the same time if we keep the !DOCTYPE HTML declaration however. Why not? - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Allow trailing slash in always-empty HTML5 elements?

2006-11-29 Thread Sam Ruby
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: On Tue, 2006-11-28 at 16:20 -0500, Sam Ruby wrote: I believe that I could modify my weblog to be simultaneously both HTML5 and XHTML5 compliant, modulo the embedded SVG content, something that would needs to be discussed separately. I think having /two/ different

Re: [whatwg] Allow trailing slash in always-empty HTML5 elements?

2006-11-29 Thread Sam Ruby
Lachlan Hunt wrote: Sam Ruby wrote: In HTML5, there are a number of elements with a content model of empty: area, base, br, col, command, embed, hr, img, link, meta, and param. If HTML5 were changed so that these elements -- and these elements alone -- permitted an optional trailing slash

Re: [whatwg] Allow trailing slash in always-empty HTML5 elements?

2006-11-29 Thread Sam Ruby
a DOM, from which a correct serialization can take place. Now, what type of parser would you use? HTML5's rules come tantalizingly close to handling this situation, except for a few cases involving tags that are self-closing... - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Allow trailing slash in always-empty HTML5 elements?

2006-11-29 Thread Sam Ruby
Anne van Kesteren wrote: What do you mean with implemented interoperably? produce the same DOM - Sam Ruby

[whatwg] Allow trailing slash in always-empty HTML5 elements?

2006-11-28 Thread Sam Ruby
. - Sam Ruby [1] http://intertwingly.net/blog/2006/11/28/Meet-the-New-Boss [2] http://intertwingly.net/blog/2006/11/28/Meet-the-New-Boss#c1164743684 [3] http://intertwingly.net/blog/2006/11/24/Feedback-on-XHTML#c1164720800