Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread Andrea Rendine
As an author I shall offer my 2 cents too. First off, I'm for native implementations and all that markup and CSS can do on _existing_ content. Thus said, I prefer having JS manipulating the content with AJAX than having the markup doing that. Apart from the concept that markup itself is being

Re: [whatwg] Page refresh interface

2015-03-24 Thread Andrea Rendine
Now I tested the interface. Here the results, just for completeness. - IE does have such a command. I had a bad time looking for it, because I'm Italian and the Italian translation is really poor (Consenti aggiornamento metadati, i.e. Allow metadata to be refreshed instead of Allow meta refresh).

Re: [whatwg] Responsive image maps

2015-03-24 Thread Erik Dahlström
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 15:06:40 +0100, Martin Janecke whatwg@prlbr.com wrote: I've done a few tests and provide links to them below the following discussion. ... Test 4: https://prlbr.de/2015/03/inline-svg-without-height.html Test 5: https://prlbr.de/2015/03/inline-svg-without-size.html

Re: [whatwg] Page refresh interface

2015-03-24 Thread Andrea Rendine
Thank you, I'll have to test on IE and Opera. Does that interface interact with refresh instruction given by the header too? (The answer could also be negative, as the refresh response header has been introduced by Netscape for what I know) 2015-03-24 5:17 GMT+01:00 Nils Dagsson Moskopp

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread Neal Gompa
I think I can firmly say that I'm not in the JS all the things camp. I do see the reasoning behind this, but I'd like to point out that not everyone in the world would like to use the MVC model. Personally, I don't mind it (since it offers a logical separation of data, presentation, and

[whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread Bobby Mozumder
https://github.com/mozumder/HTML6 I’ll be updating that Github with more ideas and refinement about the proposal with occasional feedback into this list. Since this is getting some attention it’s probably better to place the ideas in a setting that can be updated/modified than to discuss it

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread Bobby Mozumder
On Mar 24, 2015, at 4:15 PM, Andrea Rendine master.skywalker...@gmail.com wrote: I don't want to openly oppose to this project, as I'm anyway curious about how it will be developed. It's only that I have seen a lot of elements used outside their proper dynamics. I don't see HTML as a

[whatwg] Seamless browsing context in object elements

2015-03-24 Thread Andrea Rendine
Hi everybody. The title says all, so this time, short request and therefore short message. The specification says that object elements' associated resource can be treated as a nested browsing context. But it can't be specified with iframe new S-attributes (@srcdoc, @sandbox and @seamless). I can

Re: [whatwg] Responsive image maps

2015-03-24 Thread Andrea Rendine
Note that it's perfectly fine to reference svg files from a picture element, see e.g http://sarasoueidan.com/blog/svg-picture/. Which means repeating the map construction for every SVG file. Of course if the SVG is created by a script or a graphics application it can be done easily, but this is

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on the nav element

2015-03-24 Thread Reinier Kaper
Hi Andrea, Yes those are valid points, but the issue I was trying to point out was not the (implied) semantics (they're great and should remain), but the forced sectioning it brings. Although the title is appropriate to carry the page's title, the h1 in general should carry the page's/article's

[whatwg] Thoughts on the nav element

2015-03-24 Thread Reinier Kaper
Hey guys, I've been worrying (maybe too much) about the nav element lately. In my experience, it has become more of a burden than a help when it comes to the document outline. The nav element forces a new outline section, therefore requiring a heading and (implicitly) requiring a heading to

Re: [whatwg] Responsive image maps

2015-03-24 Thread Simon Pieters
On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 20:22:28 +0100, Martin Janecke whatwg@prlbr.com wrote: Am .03.2015, 13:10 Uhr, schrieb Simon Pieters sim...@opera.com: Please leave out syntax proposals for now. What I think is needed first to drive this forward is: * Use cases. Why do you need this? In general

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: Allow disabling of default scroll restoration behavior

2015-03-24 Thread Rick Byers
Ping. Any thoughts from folks familiar with the history API definition? This proposal resolves a high-profile issue we've received from a number of major websites. As Majid said, mobile-optimized websites are being forced to choose between the fullscreen UX users expect from websites on phones

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on the nav element

2015-03-24 Thread Andrea Rendine
At first sight I wouldn't define this case so impractical or senseless. Looking at your example it looks like that the nav element is related with the site itself (e.g. other articles, other sections of the site), not with the page. If you had a heading element for the whole site (e.g. the site

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread Andrea Rendine
For the first time in my life I support JavaScript. But I want to see where this idea will go. Here other 2 virtual cents: please, if it ends up as a way to improve the template element somehow compatibly with the current standard, and if it reveals to be viable, try turning it into a proposal for

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread Bobby Mozumder
On Mar 24, 2015, at 9:51 PM, delfin del...@segonquart.net wrote: Hi all: I agree with you all you have quoted, Rendine. * Neal : a problem in developing countries where low end devices are the norm, is _de facto_ THE norme , and was the need of web (standards). *

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread delfin
Hi all: I agree with you all you have quoted, Rendine. * Neal : a problem in developing countries where low end devices are the norm, is _de facto_ THE norme , and was the need of web (standards). * HTML6, if ever, must accomplish and adopt the so called _retro-conditions_,

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread Matthew Sotoudeh
Hello! By way of introduction, I'm an author who reads some of these mailing lists but (almost) never replies. This proposal is quite interesting, wanted to throw in my two cents as well: 1. Would you consider writing a polyfill/Javascript framework for this? It seems to me that the

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread Michael A. Peters
I see JavaScript as a useful tool that is seriously abused by many devs, I'm against this. But if you do it, make damn sure it has proper CSP support. On March 24, 2015 2:18:53 AM PDT, Bobby Mozumder mozum...@futureclaw.com wrote: https://github.com/mozumder/HTML6 I’ll be updating that Github

Re: [whatwg] Why CanvasRenderingContext2D uses WebIDL unrestricted float type?

2015-03-24 Thread Rik Cabanier
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Tetsuharu OHZEKI saneyuki.s...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everybody. I have a question about the definition of CanvasRenderingContext2D's behavior. The current spec about CanvasRenderingContext2D says the following: Except where otherwise specified, for the 2D

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Bobby Mozumder mozum...@futureclaw.com writes: Besides, when was the last time you actually wrote a static HTML file? Does anyone do that? I assume you asked a rhetorical question. Still, the answer is “Yes”. For every web site, people actually write templates, not HTML code. This is

Re: [whatwg] Why CanvasRenderingContext2D uses WebIDL unrestricted float type?

2015-03-24 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 3/24/15 4:06 PM, Tetsuharu OHZEKI wrote: But I think that, why don't CanvasRenderingContext2D use restricted float type defined in WebIDL if these methods ignore the value when its is not finite? Because they want to ignore the value. By the current WebIDL spec

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread Bobby Mozumder
On Mar 24, 2015, at 8:07 AM, Neal Gompa ngomp...@gmail.com wrote: I think I can firmly say that I'm not in the JS all the things camp. I do see the reasoning behind this, but I'd like to point out that not everyone in the world would like to use the MVC model. Personally, I don't mind it

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread Bobby Mozumder
On Mar 24, 2015, at 8:19 AM, Andrea Rendine master.skywalker...@gmail.com wrote: As an author I shall offer my 2 cents too. First off, I'm for native implementations and all that markup and CSS can do on _existing_ content. Thus said, I prefer having JS manipulating the content with AJAX

[whatwg] Why CanvasRenderingContext2D uses WebIDL unrestricted float type?

2015-03-24 Thread Tetsuharu OHZEKI
Hi everybody. I have a question about the definition of CanvasRenderingContext2D's behavior. The current spec about CanvasRenderingContext2D says the following: Except where otherwise specified, for the 2D context interface, any method call with a numeric argument whose value is infinite or

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 single-page apps without Javascript proposal now on Github

2015-03-24 Thread Andrea Rendine
I don't want to openly oppose to this project, as I'm anyway curious about how it will be developed. It's only that I have seen a lot of elements used outside their proper dynamics. I don't see HTML as a templating language, but it's probably because I'm tied to current use cases, so I don't see