Interesting thread (including various sub-ravels thereof).
Suppose in a semantically charged, but markup-impoverished medium such as
the textual narrative (constituting the majority of the content of the web
as we know it), we seek to build the word processor that generates not only
the surfac
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis and Simon Pieters are having a discussion that I
understand (at last... at least, sort of, or at least ... I think I do) .
The discussion concerns the meaning of the word "address" and the tag
. How much of the meaning of the word should reflect (for good or
for ill) in th
What I was discussing was whether the semantic meaning of (i.e.
the spec prose) should change from "page (or section) contact information"
to just "contact information". There has also been suggestions to instead
invent a new element with that semantic meaning.
--
Simon Pieters
Okay, I guess
.
I know... nobody cares about a million votes any more.
ddailey
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Subje
opers to implement both SVG and Canvas
(given what looks like a high percentage of overlap in function) just seems
like a way to artificially pump up staffing levels on browser development
projects.
ddailey
way of resolving
the issue from a "cognitive" perspective.
It would seem then, best, in this case to default to the status quo.
ddailey
From: "Gareth Hay" wrote
There is nothing to stop browser developers using the same underlying
implementation for canvas and svg rendering, so the overlap in function
becomes a plus point from a programming point of view.
Good point. I guess the difficulty is not really in parsing the markup
Edward O'Connor wrote:
Please excuse the analogy, but try thinking about it this way: canvas is
to Photoshop as SVG is to Illustrator.
I think it's a bit more elusive than that. SVG allows bitmaps to be
imported, and subsequently filtered (blurs, displacements, channel
separations, layers,
I sometimes enjoy the ability to clone images that have no src or no width
or no style. I certainly like to vary the height and width attributes via
setAttribute, and I might like, in the future, to be able to attach an
tag (ala SMIL) to the height or width attribute of an . If I
had to do thi
Simon Pieters writes:
The "tab order" should be up to the user. In Opera you can navigate in
any direction you want using e.g. Shift+arrows, allowing you to freely
navigate in tables for instance. The author shouldn't have any say about
the tab order other than the source order.
In a table, I t
As a newcomer to this group, please forgive my ignorance of discussions
that, undoubtedly, have already taken place, but as I have been reading
these threads on and timed media and , a couple of questions
have come to mind:
1. why not just include SMIL as a part of HTML, much in the same way
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:03:24, Anne van Kesteren wrote
1. why not just include SMIL as a part of HTML, much in the same way
that it is integrated with SVG? It is an existing W3C reco.
Reasons for not using were that it was 1) complicated and 2) not
used.
Thanks Anne... Is there some easy w
I suspect you already are aware of this but in addition to the references
you provide
the SVG 1.1 reco gives examples of the Porter-Duff composites
http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/filters.html
It appears that Opera is not handling them properly in SVG either:
http://srufaculty.sru.edu/david.dailey/sv
I understand that some here have reasons not to be happy with SMIL, but its
implementation within SVG really is quite nice and understandable. So far as
I can see, the discontent with it stems primarily from the fact SMIL seems
to have alternative specifications. Since the SVG implementation is
Okay -- I guess that makes sense. thanks.
David
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Henri, thanks for the link to PPK's suggestions -- I rather like many of
them.
Henri Sivonen wrote:
At http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2007/04/html_5.html PPK
suggests having an attribute for storing private data for scripts.
I'm having a hard time seeing what you're talking about
Makes sense to me. If such a thing is not already spoken for why not aim
toward a little consistency with pre-existing implementations, like in SVG,
where it would be repeatCount="indefinite"?
Not my favorite piece of nomenclature ever, but it's out there and has a
user-base already.
David
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On Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:34 PM David Walbert wrote
On Apr 24, 2007, at 9:19 PM, Jon Barnett wrote:
That could also apply to other tones of voice where context doesn't make it
obvious, such as irony, anger, suspicion, elation, and veiled threats.
But if you mark it up, it won't b
On Friday, April 27, 2007 10:43 PM Ian Hickson wrote:
Subject: Re: [whatwg] Cross-domain components
We have a cross-frame messaging interface which I hope address this need:
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#crossDocumentMessages
Let me know if it needs improving to add
Hearing about cue points in media elements. Just sorta reminds me of
keyTimes in SMIL.
I know SMIL seems funky to some people, but I do really love it! It is so
way cool! So far as I know it doesn't do quite what you're talking about
here, but it does similar stuff including non-linear distort
David Hyatt wrote:
(ducks)
+1
It is best to duck sometimes. Seems like I read that somewhere. If I could
just remember it, now.
Is there a special dispensation somewhere for those who would like to help
write specs who are cursed with *really* bad memories?
Oh and thanks for ducking. I
On Wednesday, April 25, 2007 7:28 PM David Hyatt wrote
I like the idea of having a way of associating a file upload control with
a contenteditable region and I also like the idea of having some way for
the dropped resources associated with the control to display in the page.
The use case of
Where do you have your test cases for document.write?
I have some examples showing rather funky behavior across browsers and
wanted to check to see if these cases have already been addressed. Some are
rather obvious; others are not.
David
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [wha
It's not that there's no plan. It's just that the plan is more along the
lines of "we'll wait and maybe add it later" rather than "we'll add it
now", since there are workarounds and seemingly little demand.
Please let us know if you get any input on your blog post.
The utility of dashed strokes
Kristof Zelechovski wrote:
Works in IE? IE by MarsSoft?
The utility of dashed strokes is something I can get interested in.
>
Observe the sparseness of the JavaScript code involved in
http://srufaculty.sru.edu/david.dailey/svg/clock.svg (working in IE, FF &
Opera)
Sorry Chris, I should h
On Saturday, May 19, 2007 1:37 AM liorean wrote:
True, but what is wanted by scripters isn't that it triggers before
any rendering takes place at all, what is wanted by scripters is to
not have to wait for external content to load, in difference to the
load event. The important factors are that
On Sunday, May 20, 2007 6:30 PML. David Baron wrote:
"...This is the cairo 'saturate' operator..."
The above reminded me: using SVG suggested to me a couple of questions*
about SVG that would seem to be just as relevant to the tag:
1. Is there a way, using filters, to take an image A and prod
This makes good sense to me. Under US case law stemming from Kelly v Arriba,
the thumbnail has a rather special legal status
(http://srufaculty.sru.edu/david.dailey/copyright/legalthumb.htm ).* I
believe similar discussions have taken within WIPO (and certainly did under
CONFU), such that that
Presumably if the SVG document contained an object such as
then, that object would scale to fit the HTML tag that contains it.
At least, I think that's how it works for , and .
David Dailey
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On Tuesday, December 11, 2007 at 4:34 AM Ian Hickson wrote:
Dave Singer posted a quite thorough analysis of
this issue recently.
I concur. Dave's analysis was comprehensive and thoughtful. As an ardent
supporter of open standards and the public domain, I believe the courses of
action being
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, L. David Baron wrote:
In this case, most implementors following the SHOULD and implementing
Theora might help companies whose concern is submarine patents become
more comfortable about shipping Theora, especially if some of the
implementors are companies similar in size or w
I was revisiting some old scripts I had written for determining the size of the
browser window (or things inside it) -- using clientWidth for IE and innerWidth
for Netscape / other. Like many scripts written for the good old days,
measuring seems to have changed as well.
Mark Wilton-Jones provi
I made a quick look through the HTML 5 Working Draft table of contents, as well
as Anne's "differences" document and went looking through
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/#processing2 the changes on the network and
processing models to see if this was covered or not, but didn't see it. I
probabl
Greg, I remember seeing the quote here:
" is designed for creating images dynamically in scripts. SVG
focuses on pre-computed image documents, and is more complex and
slower to generate dynamically."
at some point in time and thinking to myself that it was basically
inaccurate. I realize it is
e how it is
supposed to be according to emerging standards. That is the situation when
the HTML file is stored on localhost.
If however, one places the code on a server (see
http://granite.sru.edu/~ddailey/imageUpload.htm) then the program works from
none of the browsers. apologies in advance
curity/privacy reasons), and we
don't allow remote access to local content (this is a good thing).
Security Error: Content at
http://granite.sru.edu/~ddailey/imageUpload.htm may not load or link
to file://localhost/78255.png.
Actually, when I use Firefox 2.0012, the script contained i
There is also Anne Van Kesteren's "HTML 5 Differences from HTML 4" at
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/diff/ . It is probably mentioned from
somewhere within the site Hixie mentions, but provides a quick glance at
some of the major differences between the old and the emerging standards.
The What
I'm not sure what it means when you say:
a.. URLs: Workers should be spawned from URLs, not from strings, since
script rarely has access to its own source.
could you elucidate a bit more? Doesn't JavaScript usually have access to
its own source? I'm not sure when it doesn't. and isn't JavaScr
This does not really address what you're asking for, but rather what you're
asking for reminds me of something else:
several years ago I used to ask my students to program, as exercises,
various useful widgets in HTML/JavaScript (color pickers, alarm clocks,
zoomers and panners and sliders and
I recall a little app called soundEdit (I think) that ran in the Mac back in
the mid 1980's. I think it was shareware (at least it was ubiquitous).
The editing primitives were fairly cleanly defined and, had a reasonable
metaphoric correspondence to the familiar drawing actions.
There was a t
I'm thinking that you're thinking like an author. I like it!
Lots of fun and you're right to point out the possibility for problems.
Allowing video to be turned off (just like browsers used to -- and probably
still do -- allow for images to be turned off, when the hardware or user
isn't up fo
Thanks. Your advice here, seems, fundamentally, like a most sensible choice.
96 (or so*) semantic primitives (e.g. act (generic verb marker), thing and
essence (generic noun markers), value(quality and magnitude), able/possible,
universal and existential, poset (brings comparatives for ancestry,
Sorry for joining in naively to a conversation I've not been following, but
reading Karl's remarks on the facilitation of metadata entry for users, some
discussions in the vicinity of the recent SVGOpen that concerned usability,
accessibility, and metadata made me think the following (that I su
Hi Richard,
My apologies for getting involved in a topic I confess to knowing very
little about (though I would like to be able to have direct client-to-client
communication for a variety of purposes including gaming and social
networking), but it seems like the question here is "what does the
[Skip forward to paragraph four to avoid the historical backdrop. ]
1. Seven or eight years ago I was working on a mini-app [1] in the browser
using VML. It allowed folks to build graphs on-screen with a GUI and then to do
standard graph theoretic things: color nodes, find shortest paths, find
There are lots of times in which I've needed to examine one document by use
of a script that resides inside another. Using lists of attributes to do
that has been rather important, though if those lists were accessible as
properties of objects rather than as nodes themselves (as in some sort of
Observe the following:
http://granite.sru.edu/~ddailey/svg/clipembed.html
In IE 4 - 7 (with the Adobe SVG plugin enabled), the end user can select an
image from her own hard drive using a file upload.
In IE 4, I had a similar thing (sans SVG) that worked also in Netscape. It
doesn't wo
In the message below, Ian Hickson wrote:
It's not clear to me what I should say in HTML5 about this. should
just do whatever the image format says it should do, right?
I would think so, but I cc-ed Doug Schepers on this who might know of a
reason not to.
I seem to recall some discussion of th
I recall a while back trying to figure out how to style columns of a complex
table that occured below the nth
row of a table. I discovered that if I just used and moved those
's down to the appropriate row,
IE was okay with that and did what I wanted but the other browsers not only
didn't but b
While on the topic, something vaguely similar came to mind.
If we make a puzzle of 2n-squared minus 1 (e.g. a puzzle of 15) in which web
site visitors can slide tiles around through a grid, we might wish to
detect, through script, when the puzzle has been "solved." This means
interrogating the
My strong sense is that the canonical UI for choosing points in a metric space
(time, as typically viewed, being a one dimensional Euclidean metric space) has
not yet been built. Using a pointer like a mouse together with timing delays
between mouseup and mousedown together with 3D accelerometer
On Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:16 PM, Jacob Rask wrote:
has there ever been any discussion on including an attribute to the
code element, specify the programming language in the markup? If so,
what was the conclusion? I didn't find anything in the list archives.
Having just converted a 200+ pa
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:15:04 +0200, Ian Hickson wrote:
As far as I can tell this doesn't require any changes to HTML5, since the
same applies here as applies to a regular , right?
Anne van Kesteren replied:
Maybe you misunderstood, but the request was not about referencing
SVG, but passing a
Hi Ian,
1. Having to type seemed a little
bit
silly to me:
is there a use case for *not* wanting when doing ? Could that
not
be handled as an attribute of the if so?
is used a lot to refer to method names and the like, where the
contents aren't preformatted. (For example, HTML5
Ya'll probably have dealt with this already but here is the usage case
My son and I are are typing my recently deceased Dad's memoirs from the
Manhattan project.
I'm saying to son: "if you can't figure out what it says, type the characters
you are sure about. Use '?' marks for the letters that
Circa 1999 I built a little thingy: a client-side animation studio. It
allowed users to point to an image file in local file space. Then I would
preload the file, parse the path name and go looking for images with
consecutively numbered filenames in the same directory by attempting a
preload an
on Friday, December 11, 2009 6:11 PM
Jonas Sicking wrote:
I'm fairly certain that any of the major browser vendors would be
quite horrified if this worked today. I.e. if the page could just grab
arbitrary files from the users file system. Occasionally people store
private data there ;)
Howev
Rereading comments 1 - 24 of
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143220 as cited below, reveals
to me that I was not the only one in the past 7 years to encounter the many
use cases (involving client-side access to local images). I was quite
disappointed when it finally became disable
I tend to concur not just with the specific (borders around images in )
but with the broader principle of working hard to preserve simple HTML. It
is good to keep in mind that there are novices in the world for whom the
concepts of HTML, CSS, script, DOM, semantics, microformats. libraries, etc.
No it isn't simple. Allied issues have been discussed here before.
As the nature of input devices become richer (e.g. eye movement glasses that
give binocular disparity data to the display device) then the nature of the
convergence data that defines the scene becomes more relevant to its primar
This discussion reminds me vaguely of something I've given students for the
past n years (where n is >dirt):
Build a widget called a "throttle" (i.e., a number-picker)
"Allow the user to control acceleration as numbers (real or integer) between
1 and 10,000 are selected. High on the throttle
Why not borrow the from SVG (meaning "to group together" -- the
semantics may be a bit more accessible in some cross-linguistic sense than
, particularly because of the silent "w" in "wrap" which throws a lot
of folks for a loop)?
has very rich semantic connotations inherited from MacDraw, c
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