Re: [Wicket-user] Pro Wicket: Great first book on wicket
Hey Les, For me code is like pictures, they speek for themselves. Sorry, I probably was not clear enough about this: I totally agree with that. Actually, for me, looking at the code most of the time helps more than any technichal explanation. However, if I read a book on Wicket (or any other programming related topic for that matter), I expect the code to compile, be clean and neat and most of all do what it is supposed to do in the most efficient manner. But see my other email about that as well... :) Again, sorry for being unclear about this. // Che __ DISCLAIMER: This e-mail message is intended for the addressee(s) or authorized recipient only. If you are not the addressee, or an authorized recipient, you are specifically advised that any use, distribution, publication, copying or repetition of this information is prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify us immediately (+31 (0)20 50 25 800) and destroy this message. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Pro Wicket: Great first book on wicket
Hey, I have to agree with Gavin: the book is indeed a bit rough. For example, the auther takes loads of time to elaborate certain 'features' while others are being handled as if he expects the audience to know what he is talking about. The examples are imo completely useless in real life since they sometimes violate DRY and are all a little too much meant as an example. This is another weak point: the auther prints pages of source that you go through and finally understand (since his explanations are sometimes not really to the point) just to find a sentence at the end going: Well, this is not really nice, why don't we do this instead!. And there come another couple of pages of source. The information you get from the book also does not help you to develop nice applications: I really had to get used to the new way of writing web apps with wicket. If you are an experienced J2EE developer you need the information presented in a way that does not tell you how to solve a certain problem (THAT I can always find on the internet) but how do DESIGN and COMPOSE your application. It feels like the author DOES have a profound knowledge of wicket. He just does not really know how to pass it on to the audience and how much background he can expect from the readers. That said I must admit that it is a decent introductory book, especially since there is nothing like it anywhere on the web. Many of the questions that come up here are actually being answered in the book. Don't get confused by the title, though: it is definitely not 'Pro' Wicket! //Che P.S.: There are quite a lot of typos and inconsistencies in the beta version I read. I guess that has changed or will change soon... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gavin Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:32 AM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Wicket-user] Pro Wicket: Great first book on wicket Hello, I have been looking at wicket for some time. I found it after looking at many other frameworks (Struts, Spring, WebWork, etc). Wicket seemed to be the best suited to my needs (more java focused with great components). Although, technically, it had one the web framework race for me, its documentation was minimal to non-existent (esp high level non api docs). Now there is finally a book that addresses this issue. APress will be publishing Pro Wicket (http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=10189) I bought the beta e-book online (US$20) and it is very good. So a big thanks to Karthik Gurumurthy. The book is almost complete (although a little rough and could use some more editing). It covers the Wicket basics very well, explaining why you do things (which is often more important than how). Chapters cover: - setting up wicket (quick start) - validation - layout - integration with spring, velocity - localization - components (and wicket extensions) - ajax - unit testing and even wicket 2 Pro: - Easy to read - Great coverage of Wicket - Addresses the why as well as the how - Covers advanced topics like unit testing, integration with other frameworks, wicket 2 Cons: - Still a little rough (some needless repetition, references to tomcat instead of jetty) - Although the spring integration was interesting, there was a little too much of it - Some key code was not in bold. The bold really helped me find the important line so when it was not there I really missed it. So, if you are using wicket (or plan to or even using something like struts and want to know what the fun, easy alternative is) get wicket and Pro Wicket. Note: There is also a sample chapter that can be downloaded free. Now all I have to do is find time to play with Wicket... You can see some other comments at on Pro Wicket at https://chillenious.wordpress.com/2006/08/18/beta-ebook-pro-wi cket-available/ PS: Wicket in Action is supposed to be in the works so that would make 2 great wicket books. Keep it up. https://chillenious.wordpress.com/2006/08/18/beta-ebook-pro-wi cket-available/ -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Pro-Wicket%3A-Great-first-book-on-wicket -tf2268721.html#a6296863 Sent from the Wicket - User forum at Nabble.com. -- --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057; dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user __ DISCLAIMER: This e-mail message is intended for the addressee(s) or
Re: [Wicket-user] Pro Wicket: Great first book on wicket
By the way: There is a very nice introduction to Wicket 2.0 in the last chapters of the book - I cannot wait to play around with that baby... :) //Che __ DISCLAIMER: This e-mail message is intended for the addressee(s) or authorized recipient only. If you are not the addressee, or an authorized recipient, you are specifically advised that any use, distribution, publication, copying or repetition of this information is prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify us immediately (+31 (0)20 50 25 800) and destroy this message. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Pro Wicket: Great first book on wicket
This book was (and still is) a very valuable help to me. I did not read it cover to cover, although I should have. (I wish I had enough time for this !). It's a very good introductory book, the kind that gives the best value for the time you spend reading it. In a perfect world, it would have been nice to find some insight about the internal working of wicket, the philosophy behind it, the best pratices to integrate it with (your prefered product goes here), etc. But probably the book would not yet be available, and I would not have time to read it in details. As for the typos, I really don't care. The more you need the book, the less you notice the typos! And those who don't want typos can always wait for the book to be edited and printed. Thanks Karthik, your book is real value for the money. Pierre-Yves karthik Guru a écrit : To say that I really feel sorry that the book didn't prove to be of much use to you would be an understatement. How I wish it were within my capacity to refund the money to all those who bought the book and didn't like it! :( As for 'Pro' , I didn't pick the title. The publisher's interpretation seems to be a little different. I'm not really at fault here. May be I should have read - 'Tapestry in Action' / 'JSF In action'. Also, its important to realize that the possibilities are endless with Wicket and there is this dreaded thing called a 'deadline'. Plus writing a book on a beta (Wicket was 1.2 beta then) product is not easy either. On the brighter side, Wicket in Action will be here! and I do get emails from readers thanking me for introducing them to this excellent framework! . I think that's great for the community. P.S.: There are quite a lot of typos and inconsistencies in the beta version I read. I guess that has changed or will change soon... Yes, I have passed on the corrections to the publisher. - Karthik On 9/14/06, Che Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I have to agree with Gavin: the book is indeed a bit rough. For example, the auther takes loads of time to elaborate certain 'features' while others are being handled as if he expects the audience to know what he is talking about. The examples are imo completely useless in real life since they sometimes violate DRY and are all a little too much meant as an example. This is another weak point: the auther prints pages of source that you go through and finally understand (since his explanations are sometimes not really to the point) just to find a sentence at the end going: Well, this is not really nice, why don't we do this instead!. And there come another couple of pages of source. The information you get from the book also does not help you to develop nice applications: I really had to get used to the new way of writing web apps with wicket. If you are an experienced J2EE developer you need the information presented in a way that does not tell you how to solve a certain problem (THAT I can always find on the internet) but how do DESIGN and COMPOSE your application. It feels like the author DOES have a profound knowledge of wicket. He just does not really know how to pass it on to the audience and how much background he can expect from the readers. That said I must admit that it is a decent introductory book, especially since there is nothing like it anywhere on the web. Many of the questions that come up here are actually being answered in the book. Don't get confused by the title, though: it is definitely not 'Pro' Wicket! //Che P.S.: There are quite a lot of typos and inconsistencies in the beta version I read. I guess that has changed or will change soon... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gavin Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:32 AM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Wicket-user] Pro Wicket: Great first book on wicket Hello, I have been looking at wicket for some time. I found it after looking at many other frameworks (Struts, Spring, WebWork, etc). Wicket seemed to be the best suited to my needs (more java focused with great components). Although, technically, it had one the web framework race for me, its documentation was minimal to non-existent (esp high level non api docs). Now there is finally a book that addresses this issue. APress will be publishing Pro Wicket (http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=10189) I bought the beta e-book online (US$20) and it is very good. So a big thanks to Karthik Gurumurthy. The book is almost complete (although a little rough and could use some more editing). It covers the Wicket basics very well, explaining why you do things (which is often more important than how). Chapters cover: - setting up wicket (quick start) - validation - layout - integration with spring, velocity - localization - components (and wicket extensions) - ajax - unit testing and even wicket 2
Re: [Wicket-user] Pro Wicket: Great first book on wicket
There is always this thing called expectations. This is the first book written for those who want to get up to speed with Wicket and I find it extremely to the point. Funny, but I have dramatically oppossite comments after reading this book. I like it very much and I find it extremely important to see code in the book, and lots of it. For me code is like pictures, they speek for themselves. Well done Karthik. Les Che Schneider-2 wrote: Hey, I have to agree with Gavin: the book is indeed a bit rough. For example, the auther takes loads of time to elaborate certain 'features' while others are being handled as if he expects the audience to know what he is talking about. The examples are imo completely useless in real life since they sometimes violate DRY and are all a little too much meant as an example. This is another weak point: the auther prints pages of source that you go through and finally understand (since his explanations are sometimes not really to the point) just to find a sentence at the end going: Well, this is not really nice, why don't we do this instead!. And there come another couple of pages of source. The information you get from the book also does not help you to develop nice applications: I really had to get used to the new way of writing web apps with wicket. If you are an experienced J2EE developer you need the information presented in a way that does not tell you how to solve a certain problem (THAT I can always find on the internet) but how do DESIGN and COMPOSE your application. It feels like the author DOES have a profound knowledge of wicket. He just does not really know how to pass it on to the audience and how much background he can expect from the readers. That said I must admit that it is a decent introductory book, especially since there is nothing like it anywhere on the web. Many of the questions that come up here are actually being answered in the book. Don't get confused by the title, though: it is definitely not 'Pro' Wicket! //Che P.S.: There are quite a lot of typos and inconsistencies in the beta version I read. I guess that has changed or will change soon... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gavin Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:32 AM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Wicket-user] Pro Wicket: Great first book on wicket Hello, I have been looking at wicket for some time. I found it after looking at many other frameworks (Struts, Spring, WebWork, etc). Wicket seemed to be the best suited to my needs (more java focused with great components). Although, technically, it had one the web framework race for me, its documentation was minimal to non-existent (esp high level non api docs). Now there is finally a book that addresses this issue. APress will be publishing Pro Wicket (http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=10189) I bought the beta e-book online (US$20) and it is very good. So a big thanks to Karthik Gurumurthy. The book is almost complete (although a little rough and could use some more editing). It covers the Wicket basics very well, explaining why you do things (which is often more important than how). Chapters cover: - setting up wicket (quick start) - validation - layout - integration with spring, velocity - localization - components (and wicket extensions) - ajax - unit testing and even wicket 2 Pro: - Easy to read - Great coverage of Wicket - Addresses the why as well as the how - Covers advanced topics like unit testing, integration with other frameworks, wicket 2 Cons: - Still a little rough (some needless repetition, references to tomcat instead of jetty) - Although the spring integration was interesting, there was a little too much of it - Some key code was not in bold. The bold really helped me find the important line so when it was not there I really missed it. So, if you are using wicket (or plan to or even using something like struts and want to know what the fun, easy alternative is) get wicket and Pro Wicket. Note: There is also a sample chapter that can be downloaded free. Now all I have to do is find time to play with Wicket... You can see some other comments at on Pro Wicket at https://chillenious.wordpress.com/2006/08/18/beta-ebook-pro-wi cket-available/ PS: Wicket in Action is supposed to be in the works so that would make 2 great wicket books. Keep it up. https://chillenious.wordpress.com/2006/08/18/beta-ebook-pro-wi cket-available/ -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Pro-Wicket%3A-Great-first-book-on-wicket -tf2268721.html#a6296863 Sent from the Wicket - User forum at Nabble.com. -- --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done
