[Bug 25470] add {{#redirect}} parser function
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25470 Technical 13 technical...@yahoo.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||technical...@yahoo.com --- Comment #5 from Technical 13 technical...@yahoo.com --- What would it take to run a bot through the database to change all redirect pages from one syntax to the other, surely not a whole lot. So, if the new formatting was added (and all the documentation properly updated to only show the new syntax) in one update, a bot runs through and converts all old usages to new, and in a subsequent update the old syntax is removed (people would catch on quick). Then there would be no need to support multiple inconsistent ways... Just a thought. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 25470] add {{#redirect}} parser function
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25470 --- Comment #6 from John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com --- (In reply to Technical 13 from comment #5) What would it take to run a bot through the database to change all redirect pages from one syntax to the other .. .. Then there would be no need to support multiple inconsistent ways... Just a thought. Old revisions would still need to be displayed correctly, which means the old syntax would need to be understood by the page rendering logic. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 25470] add {{#redirect}} parser function
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Likewise I think this has merit. Backwards compatibility is easy to achieve,
and can be turned off by default for new wikis, or wikis which have finished
migrating to the new syntax. The syntax then becomes more consistent, and thus
easier to document and learn, and build external parsers and editing tools.
There has been some large changes to the redirect functionality for 1.23 -
maybe now is a good time to introduce this enhancement also.
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/105829/
(Adding hash for all magic words would also be great)
There is also the fact that '#' is the syntax for lists, so the following
becomes a list item instead of a redirect:
'!-- Blah --#REDIRECT [[Blah]]'
There are a lot of relevant comments on bug 14323. To summarise, some are
concerned that the syntax for redirect targets will become dynamic. I'm not
sure why that is inherently bad thing, but I recall that some magic words like
{{CURRENTYEAR}} dont force updates to ripple through templates, and likely the
same problem will exist in redirects if the redirect target could contain
variables. If redirects were a parser function, it can specify what is valid
inside that function, and exclude expressions which would be valid within [[
]].
If a redirect can be wrapped in a template (e.g. via a parser function), then
bug 50878 is fixed. New redirects could then be created by a VisualEditor
transclusion of {{redirect to|target}} (deleted, but never worked afaik);
existing redirects could be transformed to the new syntax before being
presented to VisualEditor.
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[Bug 25470] add {{#redirect}} parser function
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25470 Platonides platoni...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||platoni...@gmail.com --- Comment #1 from Platonides platoni...@gmail.com 2010-10-09 14:02:44 UTC --- You know that you can add it as a button in your toolbar, right? (some wikis already have it there by default) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 25470] add {{#redirect}} parser function
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25470 --- Comment #2 from Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com 2010-10-09 16:43:50 UTC --- Any particualr reason this is needed? Consistency is good, but since we're not going to drop the back-compatible syntax, we'll be stuck with two alternative syntaxes forever. This is misleading. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 25470] add {{#redirect}} parser function
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--- Comment #3 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com 2010-10-09 17:21:38 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #2)
Any particualr reason this is needed? Consistency is good, but since we're not
going to drop the back-compatible syntax, we'll be stuck with two alternative
syntaxes forever. This is misleading.
I don't have any objection to the idea in principle. The idea that a #
followed by a magic word at the beginning of a page will produce a magic result
is pretty arcane and senseless. Changing the syntax to something like
{{#redirect:}} has plenty of merit in my mind.
Broadly, I think it would make sense to take a holistic approach rather than an
incremental approach here, however. That is, if there are going to be (somewhat
major) changes to syntax, they should be planned so that they can be consistent
and sensible. For example, changing all magic words to be able to start with
# (the subject of another bug). And it would be wise to look at other parts
of wiki-syntax that could use improvement.
On the whole, I'd say this bug is worthy of further consideration.
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