Re: [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata

2018-07-07 Thread mathieu lovato stumpf guntz
Hi Andra, Le 04/07/2018 à 13:00, Andra Waagmeester a écrit : No, Wikidata is not going to change the CC0. You seem to be the only person wanting that and trying to discredit Wikidata will not help you in your crusade. I suggest the people who are still interested in this to

Re: [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata

2018-07-05 Thread Yann Forget
Hi, 2018-07-04 12:50 GMT+02:00 Maarten Dammers : > Hi Mathieu, > > So I see you started forum shopping (trying to get the Wikimedia-l people > in) and making contentious trying to be funny remarks. That's usually a > good indication a thread is going nowhere. > > No, Wikidata is not going to

Re: [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata

2018-07-04 Thread Andra Waagmeester
I agree with Maarten and to add to that. It is a huge misconception that CC0 makes data unreliable. It is only a legal statement about copyright, nothing more, nothing less. Statements without proper references and qualifiers make data unreliable, but Wikidata has a decent mechanism to capture

Re: [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata

2018-07-04 Thread Maarten Dammers
Hi Mathieu, On 04-07-18 11:07, mathieu stumpf guntz wrote: Hi, Le 19/05/2018 à 03:35, Denny Vrandečić a écrit : Regarding attribution, commonly it is assumed that you have to respect it transitively. That is one of the reasons a license that requires BY sucks so hard for data: unlike with

Re: [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata

2018-07-04 Thread mathieu stumpf guntz
Hi, Le 19/05/2018 à 03:35, Denny Vrandečić a écrit : Regarding attribution, commonly it is assumed that you have to respect it transitively. That is one of the reasons a license that requires BY sucks so hard for data: unlike with text, the attribution requirements grow very quickly. It is

Re: [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata

2018-07-04 Thread mathieu stumpf guntz
Hi, Le 18/05/2018 à 19:45, Info WorldUniversity a écrit : At a Wikimedia conference in early 2017, with Lydia and Dario present, I think I learned that all books / WikiCitations in all 301 of Wikipedia languages could be licensed, or heading to be licensed, with CC-0 licensing -

Re: [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata

2018-05-18 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Thank you for your answer, Sebastian. Publishing the Gutachten would be fantastic! That would be very helpful and deeply appreciated. Regarding the relicensing, I agree with you. You can just go and do that, and given that you ask for attribution to DBpedia, and not to Wikipedia, I would claim

Re: [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata

2018-05-18 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Info WorldUniversity, 18/05/2018 20:45: Wikidata may be heading to https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ which allows for a) sharing b) adapting and even c) commercially No way. CC-BY-SA-4.0 handles, but doesn't waive, the sui generis database rights. It might be fine for folks in

Re: [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata

2018-05-18 Thread Info WorldUniversity
Hi Mathieu, Rob, Denny, and Wikidatans, I'm writing to inquire about further Wikidata CC licensing clarifications. Wikidata may be heading to https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ which allows for a) sharing b) adapting and even c) commercially MIT OCW uses, by way of comparison,

Re: [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata

2018-05-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When you imply that I do not support Creative Commons and its work on licenses, you are explicitly wrong. It is because of the CC that a harmonisation has taken place. It it thanks to this harmonisation that a lot of material gained a license, becoming accessible. This does not mean that the

Re: [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata

2018-05-18 Thread Sebastian Hellmann
Hi Denny, On 18.05.2018 02:54, Denny Vrandečić wrote: Rob Speer wrote: > The result of this, by the way, is that commercial entities sell modified > versions of Wikidata with impunity. It undermines the terms of other > resources such as DBPedia, which also contains facts extracted from >

Re: [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata

2018-05-17 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Rob Speer wrote: > The result of this, by the way, is that commercial entities sell modified > versions of Wikidata with impunity. It undermines the terms of other > resources such as DBPedia, which also contains facts extracted from > Wikipedia and respects its Share-Alike terms. Why would anyone

Re: [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata

2018-05-13 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Thank you for the overly broad misrepresentation. As always, copyright is predatory. As we can prove that copyright is the enemy of science and knowledge we should not be upset that *copyright *is abused we should welcome it as it proves the point. Also when we use texts from everywhere and