Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

Thanks, Vito & All! Scott On Jul 31, 2016 5:05 PM, "Vi to" wrote: > [Note: I'm using the last message for a cumulative reply] > > Wikidata has 16k active users, 66 admins, 3 'crats, with a pretty active > community. This thread has turned into a weird mix of

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T86528: [RFC] Unit Localization

Nemo_bis added a comment. In T86528#2510135, @Smalyshev wrote: And CLDR templates on that page you quoted do not cover that. They have long-few and long-many, but how many is few and how many is many? CLDR is certainly hard when you first look at it, but "few" and "many" have a specific

Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

If, as Jimbo Wales' wrote the purpose of Wikipedia involves imagining "a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's what we're doing.—Jimbo Wales [3]

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T136132: Watchlist preferences do not pick up pages created or edited through the API

agray added a comment. Here's one I did this evening: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q26204001=""> I created this using the QuickStatements tool, using the AGbot account, and then made several more edits to it with the same tool in the same session. This account has "Add pages I

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T108929: [Task] only fallback to master in WikiPageEntityMetaDataLookup when explicitly requested

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T120648: [Task] Add wikibase-statementgroup-identifiers message so that it gets translated before deploying

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Closed] T131982: [[MediaWiki:Apihelp-wbsgetsuggestions-example-4/en]] i18n issue

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Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

Hoi, There were lists of Wikimania talks for the Wikimanias. So these items were not standing alone they were in context and THAT is what makes it attractive to have them. We do have Wikimanias as items and on there own they do not provide information. Looking at them from only WIkidata you do not

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Subscribers] T75873: [Story] have data about cpu time and memory usage for Item page rendering, API requests

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T112096: [Task] Rename Special:ExternalDbs to Special:ExternalDatabases

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Claimed] T112096: [Task] Rename Special:ExternalDbs to Special:ExternalDatabases

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T112096: [Task] Rename Special:ExternalDbs to Special:ExternalDatabases

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T86528: [RFC] Unit Localization

Smalyshev added a comment. @Nikerabbit I think you are right that we won't be able to design regexp formula that allows to grammatically display arbitrary unit for arbitrary language any time soon. However, there is a middle ground here - we don't have to go all the way from unit label to а

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Subscribers] T110885: [Story] Tests for API output formats

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T138500: [Task] Add Special:AboutTopic view stats to grafana for ArticlePlaceholder

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T136282: Enable ArticlePlaceholder on ruwiki

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Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

Hi! > Ask yourself what it is about.. It is about the Wikimania talks. What > was done is removing all the Wikimania talks without any discussion. I wonder whether Wikidata is really the best platform to host Wikimania talks and information about it. While I have no doubt these are excellent

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T136282: Enable ArticlePlaceholder on ruwiki

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Closed] T138725: Special:NewItem and Special:NewProperty allow creation of items with term language as any string

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T136132: Watchlist preferences do not pick up pages created or edited through the API

Addshore added a comment. The JS UI uses the API to edit. All of the toold you reference will also be using the API. I just tested creating an item using the API and wbeditentity with the watch items I create checked and it watched the item correctly after creation. As far as I know the same

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Edited] T136132: Watchlist preferences do not pick up pages created or edited through the API

Addshore edited the task description. (Show Details) EDIT DETAILSAt the moment, Wikidata has four/five preferences options for automatically adding pages to the watchlist: Wikidata has four/five preferences options for automatically adding pages to the watchlist: # "Add pages and files I

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T141620: Allow = in wbsearchentities

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Closed] T141620: Allow = in wbsearchentities

Addshore closed this task as "Invalid".Addshore added a comment. The following will work / has been implemented for a while https://wikidata.org/w/api.php?format=xml=""> The response has a "search-continue" element which can be passed back to get the next bit of the list.TASK

Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

That's a fair assessment of the situation. I can understand the other side of the conversation as well; it is somewhat debatable whether or not the items actually fill a structural need for the conference page, though I would suggest that any data that can be included on an item presents a need to

Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

Wikimedia Commons will have its own structured data repository soon, and it will need to tackle this BLP problem also. Wikidata really needs a BLP policy; then it is easier to trust Wikidata with the grey area. Wikimedians will be worried that while Gerard's intention is noble, when they have an

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T141525: Wikidata Special:EntityData not being filled with new data

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T141525: Wikidata Special:EntityData not being filled with new data

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Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

Gerard's point that the items are typically found in Wikimedia Commons I think is key. If the item is part of a sister project to Wikidata then it has a corresponding place on Wikidata. Unless I misunderstand the interoperability and mission of Wikidata. Also: I am not a fan of deleting

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T141525: Wikidata Special:EntityData not being filled with new data

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T141525: Wikidata Special:EntityData not being filled with new data

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Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

The WMF does not engage in such matters, this is a community issue. And given the unwillingness of admins to act in this case, I think a discussion on the project chat on whether or not these items are notable makes a lot more sense than continued discussion on the administrators' noticeboard (or

Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

Hello, Sorry, but what has "the new head of the WMF" to do with the community matters of Wikidata? Greetings, Sjoerd de Bruin sjoerddebr...@me.com > Op 31 jul. 2016, om 19:18 heeft Info WorldUniversity > het volgende geschreven: > > Thanks Andy for

Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

Thanks Andy for helping focus these developing process questions. What role could the new head of the WMF play here in positive regards? Regards, Scott On Jul 31, 2016 10:09 AM, "Andy Mabbett" wrote: > On 31 July 2016 at 16:43, Adrian Raddatz

Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

On 31 July 2016 at 16:43, Adrian Raddatz wrote: > my personal opinion is that these items are > fine as well. But (and here's the important thing), it's not a big deal > either way. The site will continue, and this especially should not be a time > for trying to force an

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Closed] T107711: [Bug] Catchable fatal error: Argument 1 passed to StatementGroupRendererFactory::newLanguageAwareRenderer() must be an instance of Language, StubUserLang

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T107711: [Bug] Catchable fatal error: Argument 1 passed to StatementGroupRendererFactory::newLanguageAwareRenderer() must be an instance of Language, StubUse

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T107711: [Bug] Catchable fatal error: Argument 1 passed to StatementGroupRendererFactory::newLanguageAwareRenderer() must be an instance of Language, StubUse

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Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

Daniel and All, That would be wise of Wikipedia/WMF (and pretty easy for Wikidata too), j'pense. Regards, Scott On Jul 31, 2016 9:10 AM, "Andy Mabbett" wrote: > On 31 July 2016 at 16:25, Daniel Kinzler > wrote: > > > So you think that

Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

On 31 July 2016 at 16:25, Daniel Kinzler wrote: > So you think that for every relevant conference, all talks and speakers should > automatically be considered relevant? Does the same aregument apply to all > courses and theachers at all relevant universities and

Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

On 31 July 2016 at 15:11, wrote: > the wikimania site is not a reliable source reflecting on what happened. The > published proceedings of Wikimania would be an RS. The videos *are* the published proceedings of Wikimania. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing

Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

On 31 July 2016 at 14:44, wrote: > I looked quickly at AN and it seems the issue is about creating items about > Wikimedians who dont clearly meet the notability criteria. No; the deleted items include: * Items about talks given at Wikimania * Items about the people who gave

Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

Hoi, There are several things at play. First, Wikimania and its talks will find its place in Wikidata because typically much of the papers, presentations and registrations will be found in Commons. So they will be registered anyway. Second, this thread is also about the way our policies are

Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

I normally don't (and probably should not) get into this little squabbles, but I am getting a bit weary always reading through me... so let me see if I can help bring this all together in the spirit of goodwill... I think that instead of using the term 'relevant' that Wikidata should instead

Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

Am 31.07.2016 um 17:04 schrieb Gerard Meijssen: > Hoi, > I am not to judge what conferences will be deemed relevant for an item in > Wikidata. When a conference is relevant, it is the talks and particularly the > registrations of the talks, the papers and the presentations that make the >

Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

Hoi, I am not to judge what conferences will be deemed relevant for an item in Wikidata. When a conference is relevant, it is the talks and particularly the registrations of the talks, the papers and the presentations that make the conference relevant after the fact. Is Wikimania relevant?

Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

Am 31.07.2016 um 16:28 schrieb Gerard Meijssen: > Hoi, > Really? It is a source for the talks that were given. It contains the papers > that were the basis for granting a spot on the program. To clarify - would the same apply for any talk at any conference? Or do you think Wikimania schould be

Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

Hoi, Really? It is a source for the talks that were given. It contains the papers that were the basis for granting a spot on the program. Thanks, GerardM On 31 July 2016 at 16:11, wrote: > the wikimania site is not a reliable source reflecting on what happened. > The

Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

the wikimania site is not a reliable source reflecting on what happened. The published proceedings of Wikimania would be an RS. On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 21:00 Gerard Meijssen, wrote: > Hoi > Ask yourself what it is about.. It is about the Wikimania talks. What was > done

Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

Hoi Ask yourself what it is about.. It is about the Wikimania talks. What was done is removing all the Wikimania talks without any discussion. There is a policy about that and as a policy it failed miserably. The admins failed to take the existing policy seriously and consequently the notions of

Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

I looked quickly at AN and it seems the issue is about creating items about Wikimedians who dont clearly meet the notability criteria. Recreating items about users after they haved objected, is dangerous ground to be walking on Wikidata needs an accepted and enforced BLP. I assume these items

Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

Hoi, John it was documented on the Administrators noticeboard. The "discussion" ran for over two weeks. I feel no need to identify the admin, he is typically the kind of person I greatly admire. If anything I object to the way admins do not take responsibility for what happens. If anything the way

Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

Which items, which admin, etc. A little context would help. If the items were appropriate, wait for the community to agree with you before recreating them. On 31 Jul 2016 17:50, "Gerard Meijssen" wrote: > Hoi. > Many items were created for Wikimania talks. They were

Re: [Wikidata] Controversy around Wikimania talks

Konyol mu lah Pada 31 Jul 2016 18.09, "Gerard Meijssen" menulis: > Hoi, > Never heard about a "deflag". What is it and what does it do? > > NB Wikidata is in many ways different from MediaWiki. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 31 July 2016 at 12:59, Federico Leva

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Claimed] T140725: Enable article placeholder on cyWiki

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T141394: Add a "search location" box in the map dialog (VE edit)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T110604: [Story] Notification: Add notification when page is being connected to Wikidata

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Closed] T110604: [Story] Notification: Add notification when page is being connected to Wikidata

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T86528: [RFC] Unit Localization

jeblad added a comment. This will not cover most of world languages in any adequate quality anytime soon. Researchers are spending years to build morphological engines which are far from perfect. Regular expressions are not a tool that allows creating such complex systems (but finite state

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T86528: [RFC] Unit Localization

Nikerabbit added a comment. Sorry for going off topic, feel free to skip: In T86528#2504269, @Amire80 wrote: Of course it's not only for names of languages. Names of languages is just a first step. The same format can be used for any word, including names units. Actually, no. It's not

Re: [Wikidata] Grammatical display of units

‬ 2016-07-29 14:18 GMT+03:00 Thomas Douillard : > My two cents : this is a job to do in conjunction with structured > wiktionary, who will be able to deal with lexical entities. > Ideally, yes, but it will take us some time to get there. > We however have some