Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 9:54 PM Tom Morris wrote: > Has the identifier migration stalled? I was just looking at this page: > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q622828 > > and the first 9 claims on the page are all identifiers. There are only two > (Freebase & Disease

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

Has the identifier migration stalled? I was just looking at this page: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q622828 and the first 9 claims on the page are all identifiers. There are only two (Freebase & Disease Ontology) in the identifier section at the bottom of the page. Tom

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

roject. <wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org> >> Subject: Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion >> >> Hi! >> >> > Couldn't you use P460 when there is doubt? >> > >> > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P460 >> >> P460'

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

Am 10.03.2016 um 20:08 schrieb Young,Jeff (OR): > Then perhaps umbel:isLike instead of owl:sameAs? > > http://wiki.opensemanticframework.org/index.php/UMBEL_Vocabulary#isLike_Property In some cases owl:equivalentProperty may be appropriate https://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/#equivalentProperty-def

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

> Stas Malyshev > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:52 PM > To: Discussion list for the Wikidata project. <wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion > > Hi! > > > Couldn't you use P460 when there is doubt? > > &g

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

Hi! > Couldn't you use P460 when there is doubt? > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P460 P460's type is Item, which means it is relation between two Wikidata items. External ID is relation between Wikidata item and something outside Wikidata. -- Stas Malyshev smalys...@wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Egon Willighagen < egon.willigha...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Tom Morris wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Stas Malyshev > wrote: > > From a machine processing point of view, a

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

Discussion list for the Wikidata project. <wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Tom Morris <tfmor...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Stas Malyshev > <smalys...@wik

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

tl;dr As far I can see developers expect to properties being listed by the community, but the listing is kept in a way that the community normally looks as a draft waiting for complaints until some amount of time and later being implemented... communication issues, eh? BTW I've listed some

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

Am 10.03.2016 um 10:26 schrieb Markus Kroetzsch: > I am surprised by the amount of confusion in this discussion. There is > absolutely no relationship between mapping of Wikidata values to URIs and the > external id datatype. You are correct that such a relationship does not necessarily follow

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

" On 8 March 2016 at 21:43, Lydia Pintscher wrote: > On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 10:31 PM Andy Mabbett > wrote: >> >> On 5 March 2016 at 15:09, Maarten Dammers wrote: >> >> > You call >> >

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

On 6 March 2016 at 16:37, Tom Morris wrote: > I've looked at the identifier list a couple of times with an eye towards > helping with the curation, but I could never make heads nor tails of what > the criteria were, whether there was consensus about the criteria, why some >

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 10:31 PM Andy Mabbett wrote: > On 5 March 2016 at 15:09, Maarten Dammers wrote: > > > You call > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Maintenance_script > > a dying pace? > > Only twelve items converted, in

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

On 5 March 2016 at 15:09, Maarten Dammers wrote: > You call > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Maintenance_script > a dying pace? Only twelve items converted, in the first 8 days of March; and none since the 2nd... -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Lydia Pintscher wrote: > Ok. I think we're making this much more complicated than necessary. The > question you should ask yourself is: Does this identify a concept in another > database/website/...? Nice to have: a website to link to.

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

On 07.03.2016 09:13, Lydia Pintscher wrote: On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 2:57 AM Tom Morris > wrote: On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Lydia Pintscher > wrote: On Sun,

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

This use of a WMF email account raises some legal and wikipolitical ambiguities that are best avoided. I strongly recommend using a non-WMF email account for anyone who is speaking outside of a WMF role. Pinging James to ask for clarification on the policy. And let's fork this portion of the

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

Hi! > Yes, sure, your free time is a different matter. I just thought you are > speaking as a WMF employee here, since you were using this email. I am It's Sunday here, so no :) I do use two separate logins for WMF official and volunteer work on Wiki, but using two emails is too cumbersome for

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

On 06.03.2016 23:31, Stas Malyshev wrote: Hi! In your case, however, the answer probably is: you cannot contribute there at all, since you are a Wikimedia employee and this is a content-related community discussion. ;-) Many WMF employees contribute to wikis in their non-work time, as far as

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Lydia Pintscher < lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 10:56 PM Stas Malyshev > wrote: > >> Is there a process somewhere of how the checking is done, what are >> criteria, etc.? I've read >>

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 10:56 PM Stas Malyshev wrote: > Is there a process somewhere of how the checking is done, what are > criteria, etc.? I've read > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Addshore/Identifiers but there's a > lot of discussion but not clear if it ever come

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

Hi! > In your case, however, the answer probably is: you cannot contribute > there at all, since you are a Wikimedia employee and this is a > content-related community discussion. ;-) Many WMF employees contribute to wikis in their non-work time, as far as I know. I don't even seek to

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

On 06.03.2016 22:56, Stas Malyshev wrote: Hi! The community is checking each property to verify it should be converted: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Addshore/Identifiers/0 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Addshore/Identifiers/1

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

Hi! > The community is checking each property to verify it should be converted: > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Addshore/Identifiers/0 > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Addshore/Identifiers/1 > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Addshore/Identifiers/2 Is there a process

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

If an identifier system provides for merging of entities along with the retention of both their previous IDs (as all good identifier systems which guarantee stable identifiers should), duplicate IDs are inevitable. Well known examples include Freebase, MusicBrainz, OpenLibrary, and yes, even

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

Another reason why "uniqueness" is not such a good criterion: it cannot be applied to decide the type of a newly created property (no statements, no uniqueness score). In general, the fewer statements there are for a property, the more likely they are to be unique. The criterion rewards data

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

Hi Luca, Op 5-3-2016 om 16:45 schreef Luca Martinelli: Point taken, I apologise for using too dramatic tones. Looks like more people are eager to get this over with and can't wait to get everything converted Nonetheless, I stick to the point that probably a ">99% unique identifier" threshold

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

Hoi, Lets take things slowly. It is vital that we get Wikipedia well connected first. Plenty of challenges there. If we concentrate on what Wikipedia needs in all its languages, we will get a perspective of what is notable for us. Other sources have their criteria.. Thanks, GerardM On 5

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

On 5 March 2016 at 16:15, Markus Krötzsch wrote: > I agree with Egon that the uniqueness requirement is rather weird. What it > means is that a thing is only considered an "identifier" if it points to a > database that uses a similar granularity for modelling the

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

On 5 March 2016 at 14:25, Lydia Pintscher wrote: > I also do a quick sanity check for each property myself before conversion. You might also like to do a sanity check on those marked as not suitable for conversion. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

Just do them all, as fast as the bot can go. Revert them /if/ somebody complains (which is unlikely). Make this a process of having to contract out for an identifier /not/ to be done, rather than having to contract in for it to be done. Personally, I am rather more interested in what

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

Hi Luca, Op 5-3-2016 om 14:30 schreef Luca Martinelli: Probably the threshold we set up for the conversion is too high, and this might be one of the causes why the whole process has slowed down to a dying pace. You call https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Maintenance_script a

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

Never mind. I found these in already done. Egon On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Egon Willighagen wrote: > Mmm... I previously added a few chemical identifiers, like KEGG, > ChEBI, DrugBank, but I cannot find them anymore... :/ > > Egon > > On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 3:16

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

Mmm... I previously added a few chemical identifiers, like KEGG, ChEBI, DrugBank, but I cannot find them anymore... :/ Egon On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Egon Willighagen wrote: > Hi Lydia, all, > > On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Markus Krötzsch >

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Lydia Pintscher wrote: > On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 3:17 PM Egon Willighagen >> What is the exact process? Do you just plan to wait longer to see if >> anyone supports/contradicts my tagging? Should I get other

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

Hi Lydia, all, On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Markus Krötzsch wrote: > On 05.03.2016 14:45, Lydia Pintscher wrote: >> Give it another 2 to 3 weeks and it'll get there. More and more editors >> are exposed to the separation in the UI now and start noticing the ones

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

Markus, you are not the only one, I am also skeptical about the criteria used. For me the main problem is perhaps the misunderstanding that the "external identifier" label creates, actually what I was expecting was something more like "external references", a place where to put all the external

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

On 05.03.2016 14:45, Lydia Pintscher wrote: On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 1:28 PM Markus Krötzsch > wrote: Thanks, Katie. I see that the external ID datatype does not work as planed. At least I thought the original idea was

Re: [Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

2016-03-05 13:26 GMT+01:00 Markus Krötzsch : > Thanks, Katie. I see that the external ID datatype does not work as planed. > At least I thought the original idea was to clean up the UI by moving > hard-to-understand string IDs to a separate section. From the

[Wikidata] Status and ETA External ID conversion

Hi, I noticed that many id properties still use the string datatype (including extremely frequent ids like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P213 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P227). Why is the conversion so slow, and when is it supposed to be completed? Cheers, Markus