Re: [Wikidata-l] watching Wikidata changes that affect my wiki

2012-08-14 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2012/8/14 Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs: I believe it should be possible to alleviate this problem to an extent by introducing automatic transcription between languages and specifying what language the mayor's default name is in. If automatic transcription gets it wrong, it could still be

Re: [Wikidata-l] watching Wikidata changes that affect my wiki

2012-08-14 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2012/8/14 Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs: On 14/08/12 08:57, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: 2012/8/14 Nikola Smolenskismole...@eunet.rs: I believe it should be possible to alleviate this problem to an extent by introducing automatic transcription between languages and specifying what language

Re: [Wikidata-l] watching Wikidata changes that affect my wiki

2012-08-14 Thread Gregor Hagedorn
I think the topic is relevant for the Wikidata editing UI. At the hackathon in Berlin we had discussions about a chain of fallback languages. Have reworked and added some potential user-interface behaviour to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Language_fallback Gregor

Re: [Wikidata-l] watching Wikidata changes that affect my wiki

2012-08-14 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 14/08/12 09:28, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: 2012/8/14 Nikola Smolenskismole...@eunet.rs: On 14/08/12 08:57, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: 2012/8/14 Nikola Smolenskismole...@eunet.rs: I believe it should be possible to alleviate this problem to an extent by introducing automatic transcription between

Re: [Wikidata-l] watching Wikidata changes that affect my wiki

2012-08-14 Thread dr . cueppers . gmbh
In cases of changing an old name by a new name a second problem will be the fact: For the old name may exist an article in some of the wikis - what means, there the old name is [[Adam]], but the new has no article and must be Eva, but not [[Eva]]: To change this correct, always human

Re: [Wikidata-l] watching Wikidata changes that affect my wiki

2012-08-14 Thread Denny Vrandečić
It is not. Wikidata would know if an article on Eva exists in the Wikipedia of a given language (if it is appropriately connected), and thus would be able to automatically offer the link or not. Cheers, Denny 2012/8/14 dr.cueppers.g...@arcor.de: In cases of changing an old name by a new name

Re: [Wikidata-l] watching Wikidata changes that affect my wiki

2012-08-14 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2012/8/14 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de: In general I am a strong believer of let's start with the simple thing, which is to let editors add transliterations (that is why we have a label field for every entity in every language). I may see a use case for a transliteration-bot

Re: [Wikidata-l] thoughts about a plan for enabling interlanguage linking

2012-08-14 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Let's see. Joancreaus on IRC I think mentioned that he was interested in pywikipedia + wikidata. I hope that there are enough people interested in that so that the pywp community won't have to wait too long to use that beautiful framework. Cheers, Denny 2012/8/14 Snaevar snaevar-w...@gmx.com:

Re: [Wikidata-l] watching Wikidata changes that affect my wiki

2012-08-14 Thread dr . cueppers . gmbh
And if there are 10 articles Eva with [[Eva (abc)]], [[Eva (def]], [[Eva (ghi]] ? Wikidata will find out the correct one in every case? - Original Nachricht Von: Denny Vrande?i? denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de An: Discussion list for the Wikidata project.

[Wikidata-l] installed extensions on demo system

2012-08-14 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Heya folks, We've just installed all the extensions on the demo system that are in use on enwp to notice problems early with any of them. However the other Wikipedias of course have other extensions installed that might also be relevant. Please let me know if you know of any extensions that we

Re: [Wikidata-l] watching Wikidata changes that affect my wiki

2012-08-14 Thread Marco Fleckinger
On 08/14/2012 05:29 PM, dr.cueppers.g...@arcor.de wrote: And if there are 10 articles Eva with [[Eva (abc)]], [[Eva (def]], [[Eva (ghi]] ? Wikidata will find out the correct one in every case? As I unterstood, we have articles and we have WikiData-Items. Linking articles will be done

[Wikidata-l] changing wikidata-item properties with multilingual labels

2012-08-14 Thread Gregor Hagedorn
A city has a Wikipedia page and a corresponding Wikidata-item-page. One of the item properties is Property:City_mayor. If the mayor changes, and both have their own pages/items (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eberhard_Diepgen to http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Wowereit for

Re: [Wikidata-l] watching Wikidata changes that affect my wiki

2012-08-14 Thread Denny Vrandečić
The editors would need to make the connections explicitly between the article. The software would not be guessing it, if that is what you are assuming. And the editors should be good at getting the correct one. Together with Marco's answer, does it make it clearer? 2012/8/14

Re: [Wikidata-l] changing wikidata-item properties with multilingual labels

2012-08-14 Thread Denny Vrandečić
The idea is that the mayor would not be represented as a String value, even for smaller cities, but always by an item. This would possibly lead to items that have no Wikipedia articles associated to them, but there is no problem with that. But humans (and other entities) should not be represented

Re: [Wikidata-l] changing wikidata-item properties with multilingual labels

2012-08-14 Thread Gregor Hagedorn
But humans (and other entities) should not be represented by strings in the system, but by items. I wonder whether this would not be too inflexible. It would burden the use of wikidata with the responsibility to determine entity-identity in all cases where only a name-string is known. In the

Re: [Wikidata-l] changing wikidata-item properties with multilingual labels

2012-08-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It being a database you will find that someone in Germany will take care of a new mayor in German places and determines for every wiki using the same instance of that person and consequently such relations are implicitly available. When people choose NOT to use the benefits of a database, on