[Wikidata-l] new features deployed \o/
Hey folks :) As announced last week we just deployed a number of new features. Those are: * Wikinews is now able to manage its sitelinks via Wikidata. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikinews for questions/coordination/... * Wikidata is now also its own client. This means you can for example add a sitelink to Wikidata:Help to the item for all main help pages. You are able to make use of the data in items on other pages in Wikidata with Lua. (Arbitrary access has been enabled for Wikidata for this but when data in an item changes we will not be able to purge the page using the data yet.) * Sitelinks for projects with just one sitelink in the group (like Commons, Wikidata and in the future Meta for example) are now grouped together in one sitelink group. * Badges for good and featured articles can be stored on Wikidata right next to the sitelink. We have badges for featured and good articles. More can be added on request later. Thanks to Bene* and lazowik for this feature. * Redirects between items can be created. When two items are merged one of them can be turned into a redirect. This way our identifiers can be considered much more stable by 3rd parties for example. It also makes it unnecessary to delete duplicate items. This will reduce the workload of our admins considerably. * We have the new datatype monolingual text. This allows you to make statements with a string and an associated language. Known issues/limitations: * Redirects can so far only be created via the API * Arbitrary access on Wikidata to the data on Wikidata itself is only possible via Lua. The parser function still needs to be adapted. * Badges can not yet be shown on the Wikipedias etc. This will follow next week. * Diffs for badges changes have a link to a wrong target (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69758) Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] new features deployed \o/
Lydia, I have a question about pages in Wikidata connected to their items. In the example you give: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q914807 How can be the page linked? I guess I have to enter it in the section Pages on other sites linked to this item, but when I click add, there is no suggester. I tried wikidata, wikidatawiki, data, but nothing happens. By the way the Wikinews section appears as wikibase-sitelinks-wikinews, but probably you are already aware of it. Thanks for the update! Micru On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: Hey folks :) As announced last week we just deployed a number of new features. Those are: * Wikinews is now able to manage its sitelinks via Wikidata. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikinews for questions/coordination/... * Wikidata is now also its own client. This means you can for example add a sitelink to Wikidata:Help to the item for all main help pages. You are able to make use of the data in items on other pages in Wikidata with Lua. (Arbitrary access has been enabled for Wikidata for this but when data in an item changes we will not be able to purge the page using the data yet.) * Sitelinks for projects with just one sitelink in the group (like Commons, Wikidata and in the future Meta for example) are now grouped together in one sitelink group. * Badges for good and featured articles can be stored on Wikidata right next to the sitelink. We have badges for featured and good articles. More can be added on request later. Thanks to Bene* and lazowik for this feature. * Redirects between items can be created. When two items are merged one of them can be turned into a redirect. This way our identifiers can be considered much more stable by 3rd parties for example. It also makes it unnecessary to delete duplicate items. This will reduce the workload of our admins considerably. * We have the new datatype monolingual text. This allows you to make statements with a string and an associated language. Known issues/limitations: * Redirects can so far only be created via the API * Arbitrary access on Wikidata to the data on Wikidata itself is only possible via Lua. The parser function still needs to be adapted. * Badges can not yet be shown on the Wikipedias etc. This will follow next week. * Diffs for badges changes have a link to a wrong target (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69758) Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Etiamsi omnes, ego non ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Commons Wikibase
On 19.08.2014 22:23, David Cuenca wrote: ... Actually I have one last question :) At the moment Gerard is using is a list of:value on category item pages which has the effect of being the inverse of instance of. And then he adds further conditions as qualifiers, see: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6562 While this method of works for simple categories, more complex ones would be hard to model using this method, like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8380098 I was thinking of modelling it like: Category:Discoverers of extrasolar planets is a list of human Category:Discoverers of extrasolar planets has items used as value of discoverer Of course it would require to have a link between the item discoverer and the property discoverer, but would that make sense? Well, it depends on what the intended use of is a list of is. First note that it is not the inverse of instance of (the inverse of a relation R holds between all pairs where R holds, just in the opposite direction; this is not what happens here). Rather, is a list of describes some class that all of the elements of a list are instances of. I don't think that it one should try to capture *exactly* what the items on the list are. Many lists are based on complicated criteria and it would be very hard to express them in a good way using statements. What you suggest above would be an ad hoc solution (a.k.a. hack) for a few cases; many other cases would need different features. Even if one would have a way to capture some lists exactly, one would need to document this very carefully in order for the information to be useful to others. In essence, one would specify a query language there. Since we already are working on queries for Wikidata, the better way to solve this in the future would be to refer to actual queries (as soon as they are expressive enough). Anyway, as I understand it, Gerard is adding these statements to help with the organisation of lists (and to give some more relevant statements to list items, e.g., to assist the auto description). Since we want to support automated list generation in the future (using query results on Wikipedia pages), it might be handy to have some overview of the lists (how many, about which topics, etc.). But I am just guessing here -- maybe Gerard has other reasons too. Cheers, Markus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] new features deployed \o/
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 9:05 AM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: Lydia, I have a question about pages in Wikidata connected to their items. In the example you give: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q914807 How can be the page linked? I guess I have to enter it in the section Pages on other sites linked to this item, but when I click add, there is no suggester. I tried wikidata, wikidatawiki, data, but nothing happens. It's a caching issue apparently. Working on it :) If you enter testwikidata it works it seems. By the way the Wikinews section appears as wikibase-sitelinks-wikinews, but probably you are already aware of it. Yeah. Also a caching issue. Did I mention that caches and I are no longer friends? :P Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] new features deployed \o/
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 9:05 AM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: Lydia, I have a question about pages in Wikidata connected to their items. In the example you give: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q914807 How can be the page linked? I guess I have to enter it in the section Pages on other sites linked to this item, but when I click add, there is no suggester. I tried wikidata, wikidatawiki, data, but nothing happens. It's a caching issue apparently. Working on it :) If you enter testwikidata it works it seems. By the way the Wikinews section appears as wikibase-sitelinks-wikinews, but probably you are already aware of it. Yeah. Also a caching issue. Did I mention that caches and I are no longer friends? :P Actually I found the problem in the settings. I fixed it one place but missed another place. At the earliest time I can deploy the fix, I will do so. (so, in a few hours) Cheers, Katie Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Katie Filbert Wikidata Developer Wikimedia Germany e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24, 10963 Berlin Phone (030) 219 158 26-0 http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Germany - Society for the Promotion of free knowledge eV Entered in the register of Amtsgericht Berlin-Charlottenburg under the number 23 855 as recognized as charitable by the Inland Revenue for corporations I Berlin, tax number 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Announce: WikiProject Structured Data for Commons
On 19.08.2014 16:13, Lydia Pintscher wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:19 AM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the stats, Gerard. Two thoughts: - With so many items without description I wonder why we don't have the automatic descriptions gadget enabled by default. I am a bit worried about enabling this by default for everyone as a gadget. We need the descriptions in a lot of places where people search for items. The next big one will be Commons. But _a lot_ more will come in the future. Think for example of tagging your blog post on Wordpress with Wikidata concepts. You'll need the descriptions. If we enable automatic descriptions on Wikidata now we will actively discourage people from entering more descriptions. That would be bad as 3rd parties then don't get the benefit of them. I am also hesitant to build this into Wikibase directly as it'd need quite some domain-knowledge for all I can tell at this point. That's something we need to avoid. Anyone got ideas how to get out of this? It had been suggested recently on this list to store the autodescriptions in the data, e.g., using a robot. The question there was whether this would make future automated update too troublesome (since one would have to check if the description has been overwritten by a human in the meantime). I think this can be solved (see below). For thousands of non-described items this would be a large improvement. An important point is that there are really two kinds of descriptions that we should keep separate, since they have two different purposes: (1) to provide a clue for distinguishing items with the same label (2) to give a human-readable, informative summary of the data The descriptions that we want to have stored on Wikidata are there for the first purpose (type-1 descriptions :-). Their main virtue is to be as much to the point as possible, so you can read them quickly in a small dropdown menu etc. (short and accurate, but just enough information to clarify what we are talking about). Descriptions of the second kind are a completely different issue. They should not be stored on Wikidata (or anywhere), since they will continuously evolve. The more data you have, the better your type-2 description will get. For new kinds of data you will even have to extend the code that generates the texts. Also, these descriptions could be much longer, and indeed their optimal length would vary from application to application. This is why I think that it is fairly safe to import (some) type-1 descriptions without this reducing in any way the importance of type-2 descriptions. Of course even type-1 descriptions will change over time (esp. for living persons or ongoing events), but most of them should be fairly stable (cities, species, many people, ...). Since we are only interested in a very concise description for this purpose, it might be possible to see if an item has enough data yet to create an ultimate description (in the sense that more data would not have an effect on the concise description anyway). Magnus will know more about this. A simple, low-tech way of enabling future updates would be to store the list of imported descriptions somewhere so that future update robots can check if the description has been changed by someone in the meantime without having to consult the page history. Cheers, Markus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Commons Wikibase
Hoi, When I add statements with is a list of, the item I refer to works as a base. It and all subsequent statements are required to be the result of the result that is generated by WDQ in the background. The results are shown automatically from within Reasonator. The hack is in having Reasonator interpret the limited expressions available. Then again, calling Reasonator a hack is a disservice to the real application it provides. When I associate is a list of with categories in Wikidata, I express reasonable expectations about what such a category should be about. Presidents of the USA for instance are human and they hold or held the office of President of the USA. This excludes Lex Luthor who is shown as one in Reasonator because it does not make the human restriction. With the results of the queries several things are expressed. Obviously the results of the query but implicitly it shows local articles that are not categorised. It shows items that may or may not have an article elsewhere. Yes, I use it when I add statements to items. It does show up in Reasonator, in WDQ results, in automated descriptions and as interestingly it will end up in the tool by Markus. The application of the is a list of in categories is powerful. It gives clues about a subset of data. When people have an application for it, they concentrate on it. For instance there was a project on members of the Lok Sabha and another on members of the European parliament. The results of the work done prevented a lot of duplicate items.. (who would expect for the Romanian Wikipedia to be among the best in knowing about members of the European parliament?) When I talk about query, I talk about WDQ and its results. There is no alternative at this time. Consider for instance the tool of Markus. It may have already have a limited application for some but as long as it does not update itself, it is not as illustrative as the WDQ by Magnus and it cannot be used in the same way to improve Wikidata as is possible by many of the tools by Magnus. The official query happens when it does. When it does it will severely stunted. This is because the simple queries will not have the power to make them as illustrative as the queries used by the is a list of. Obviously I cannot wait until this situation is reversed. Having to convert the existing queries is a pain but it is a nice pain. As I explained at Wikimania, it is all in the application. When there is one, it makes sense to have it. Without an application it is at best a nice effort we can talk about. But hey, I have a limited amount of time so I prefer to concentrate on application of functionality and data. Thanks, GerardM On 20 August 2014 09:36, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: On 19.08.2014 22:23, David Cuenca wrote: ... Actually I have one last question :) At the moment Gerard is using is a list of:value on category item pages which has the effect of being the inverse of instance of. And then he adds further conditions as qualifiers, see: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6562 While this method of works for simple categories, more complex ones would be hard to model using this method, like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8380098 I was thinking of modelling it like: Category:Discoverers of extrasolar planets is a list of human Category:Discoverers of extrasolar planets has items used as value of discoverer Of course it would require to have a link between the item discoverer and the property discoverer, but would that make sense? Well, it depends on what the intended use of is a list of is. First note that it is not the inverse of instance of (the inverse of a relation R holds between all pairs where R holds, just in the opposite direction; this is not what happens here). Rather, is a list of describes some class that all of the elements of a list are instances of. I don't think that it one should try to capture *exactly* what the items on the list are. Many lists are based on complicated criteria and it would be very hard to express them in a good way using statements. What you suggest above would be an ad hoc solution (a.k.a. hack) for a few cases; many other cases would need different features. Even if one would have a way to capture some lists exactly, one would need to document this very carefully in order for the information to be useful to others. In essence, one would specify a query language there. Since we already are working on queries for Wikidata, the better way to solve this in the future would be to refer to actual queries (as soon as they are expressive enough). Anyway, as I understand it, Gerard is adding these statements to help with the organisation of lists (and to give some more relevant statements to list items, e.g., to assist the auto description). Since we want to support automated list generation in the future (using query results on Wikipedia pages), it might be handy to have some overview of
[Wikidata-l] A note on instance of:Wikipedia disambiguation page
Hi all, We have a lot of statements saying that something is an instance of a Wikipedia disambiguation page (Q4167410). Unfortunately, this kind of information says something about a particular Wikipedia article in a particular language, and often is not true for other languages. Moreover, even if there is a language where the according article is marked as disambiguation page, it is still common that the page gives a description of a real item. Example (bad use of instance of:Wikipedia disambiguation page) == https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q247819 (VW Polo) Enwiki (like many languages) has a normal article here that is not a disambiguation page. It says The Volkswagen Polo is a supermini car produced by the German manufacturer Volkswagen. That's very different from The Volkswagen Polo is a disambiguation page. Even Wikipedias where the VW-Polo article is marked as disambiguation page do not claim that the thing they are talking about is the disambiguation page. For instance, frwiki has the article in Catégorie:Homonymie, yet it says: Volkswagen Polo est une automobile, de la gamme des polyvalentes, de la marque allemande Volkswagen Again, it is not said that VW Polo is a disambiguation page, even though the page (not the car) is marked as one. Proper use of instance of:Wikipedia disambiguation page === Now there are also many proper disambiguation pages. They do not have a joint concept, other than the ambiguous title in a particular language. Examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_(disambiguation) and, entertainingly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disambiguation_(disambiguation) An item that is instance of:Wikipedia disambiguation page: * should not have sitelinks to pages that are not disambiguation pages (an item can either be about a Wikipedia page or about a car, but these should be kept separate), * should always use the exact page title as the label (because this is the real label of the page; the page Jaguar (disambiguation) is not called Jaguar by anybody), * should hardly have any statements at all, since there is almost nothing that you can truthfully say about a group of pages in many different languages, and since we want to avoid project-specific statements (that's one reason we have badges as part of site links). Whether disambiguation pages should have more than a single sitelink at all is another question. In my view, if we are talking about a page, it is not the same page in French as it is in English (most properties that pages could naturally have, such as authors, language, creation date, etc. apply to a single page only). However, I can see that it is practical to group such pages nonetheless. Conclusion == It would be nice if somebody could analyse this problem in more detail (how many of our disambiguation page items have statements that are obviously not about a page but about a car make, animal, etc.). We might need some manual effort to clean this up (basically, a kind of un-merging game). The immediate conclusion is that we need to be much more careful importing this type of information from one Wikipedia, since it is (by its very nature) not project-independent and not universal across languages. Cheers, Markus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] A note on instance of:Wikipedia disambiguation page
Hoi, Markus, I am not surprised at all that such problems exist. The problem is inherent in the descriptions. They are added and made sense at that time. Now they do no longer apply because of statements made that ensure it is no longer a disambiguation page. These descriptions are not seen. You only see the descriptions in *YOUR* language. The first obvious remedial task would be to remove all the texts in all languages where the instance of is different from Wikimedia disambiguation page. I am really happy that you notice the fragility of descriptions. Automated descriptions do not suffer from this.. Related to what you have noticed are the list articles. There is a policy where list articles are turned into singular and then describe whatever they are were list of. They are no longer list articles and the texts indicating they are is wrong as well. Thanks, GerardM On 20 August 2014 11:40, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: Hi all, We have a lot of statements saying that something is an instance of a Wikipedia disambiguation page (Q4167410). Unfortunately, this kind of information says something about a particular Wikipedia article in a particular language, and often is not true for other languages. Moreover, even if there is a language where the according article is marked as disambiguation page, it is still common that the page gives a description of a real item. Example (bad use of instance of:Wikipedia disambiguation page) == https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q247819 (VW Polo) Enwiki (like many languages) has a normal article here that is not a disambiguation page. It says The Volkswagen Polo is a supermini car produced by the German manufacturer Volkswagen. That's very different from The Volkswagen Polo is a disambiguation page. Even Wikipedias where the VW-Polo article is marked as disambiguation page do not claim that the thing they are talking about is the disambiguation page. For instance, frwiki has the article in Catégorie:Homonymie, yet it says: Volkswagen Polo est une automobile, de la gamme des polyvalentes, de la marque allemande Volkswagen Again, it is not said that VW Polo is a disambiguation page, even though the page (not the car) is marked as one. Proper use of instance of:Wikipedia disambiguation page === Now there are also many proper disambiguation pages. They do not have a joint concept, other than the ambiguous title in a particular language. Examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_(disambiguation) and, entertainingly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disambiguation_(disambiguation) An item that is instance of:Wikipedia disambiguation page: * should not have sitelinks to pages that are not disambiguation pages (an item can either be about a Wikipedia page or about a car, but these should be kept separate), * should always use the exact page title as the label (because this is the real label of the page; the page Jaguar (disambiguation) is not called Jaguar by anybody), * should hardly have any statements at all, since there is almost nothing that you can truthfully say about a group of pages in many different languages, and since we want to avoid project-specific statements (that's one reason we have badges as part of site links). Whether disambiguation pages should have more than a single sitelink at all is another question. In my view, if we are talking about a page, it is not the same page in French as it is in English (most properties that pages could naturally have, such as authors, language, creation date, etc. apply to a single page only). However, I can see that it is practical to group such pages nonetheless. Conclusion == It would be nice if somebody could analyse this problem in more detail (how many of our disambiguation page items have statements that are obviously not about a page but about a car make, animal, etc.). We might need some manual effort to clean this up (basically, a kind of un-merging game). The immediate conclusion is that we need to be much more careful importing this type of information from one Wikipedia, since it is (by its very nature) not project-independent and not universal across languages. Cheers, Markus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Come to present Wikidata in Finland!
Hi John, After all this trouble it seems there is a possibility that no-one more savvy than us locals are coming to the Avoin Suomi 2014 fair. This is unfortunate bad logistics. But I would be happy to continue the thought of a presentation together with you. The workshop would be postponed as well, but cancelling the presentation on site at this occasion will let us realize it at a later event. Would you be interested? I contacted Stryn. He would not be able to attend either, but he would join a separate event at a different time. Best regards, Susanna 2014-08-02 18:35 GMT+03:00 John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com: Sounds very interesting. I could cover my own costs, but the distance and time is a killer at short notice. When do you need to know by? If nothing else, I would be very happy to help prepare the presentation. There appear to be two Finnish-specific properties, https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=property%3Afinnishtitle=Special%3ASearchgo=Go One of which is the Jufo ID, which is their research publication tracking system used for their national research evaluation program, and it would be nice to see them embrace open data for that exercise. I havent populated that property yet, but it would be easy to do. Once that is done, comparisons can be made to the research evaluation systems in other countries that also have data in Wikidata, such as Norway and Australia. I have CC'd user:Stryn and User:Fnielsen (http://www.imm.dtu.dk/~faan/), and onwiki notified User:Stryn just in case. On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Susanna Ånäs susanna.a...@wikimedia.fi wrote: Wikimedia Finland calls for a Wikidata developer/advocate to present Wikidata at Avoin Suomi 2014 fair http://avoinsuomi2014.fi/ September 15–16. The event is organized by the Prime Minister's Office in collaboration with several public sector actors and open knowledge organizations. Wikimedia Finland has a booth, and will present projects in GLAM and education, and the Wikimedia sister projects with focus on Wikidata. To take advantage of the presence of the skilled wikidatan, we plan to arrange a Wikidata hands-on workshop before or after the event. The closer you are to Finland the better, but Finnish language is not a requirement. Please contact susanna.a...@wikimedia.fi if you are interested. You may forward this to a person you know might be interested. Looking forward to talking with you! Susanna -- Susanna Ånäs Käyttäjä:Susannaanas Wikimedia Suomi – Wikimaps – GLAM @WMFinland / Facebook / Liity jäseneksi! ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Come to present Wikidata in Finland!
Hi Susanna, I'm still interested; a bit later in the year would be ideal for me. On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Susanna Ånäs susanna.a...@gmail.com wrote: Hi John, After all this trouble it seems there is a possibility that no-one more savvy than us locals are coming to the Avoin Suomi 2014 fair. This is unfortunate bad logistics. But I would be happy to continue the thought of a presentation together with you. The workshop would be postponed as well, but cancelling the presentation on site at this occasion will let us realize it at a later event. Would you be interested? I contacted Stryn. He would not be able to attend either, but he would join a separate event at a different time. Best regards, Susanna 2014-08-02 18:35 GMT+03:00 John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com: Sounds very interesting. I could cover my own costs, but the distance and time is a killer at short notice. When do you need to know by? If nothing else, I would be very happy to help prepare the presentation. There appear to be two Finnish-specific properties, https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=property%3Afinnishtitle=Special%3ASearchgo=Go One of which is the Jufo ID, which is their research publication tracking system used for their national research evaluation program, and it would be nice to see them embrace open data for that exercise. I havent populated that property yet, but it would be easy to do. Once that is done, comparisons can be made to the research evaluation systems in other countries that also have data in Wikidata, such as Norway and Australia. I have CC'd user:Stryn and User:Fnielsen (http://www.imm.dtu.dk/~faan/), and onwiki notified User:Stryn just in case. On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Susanna Ånäs susanna.a...@wikimedia.fi wrote: Wikimedia Finland calls for a Wikidata developer/advocate to present Wikidata at Avoin Suomi 2014 fair http://avoinsuomi2014.fi/ September 15–16. The event is organized by the Prime Minister's Office in collaboration with several public sector actors and open knowledge organizations. Wikimedia Finland has a booth, and will present projects in GLAM and education, and the Wikimedia sister projects with focus on Wikidata. To take advantage of the presence of the skilled wikidatan, we plan to arrange a Wikidata hands-on workshop before or after the event. The closer you are to Finland the better, but Finnish language is not a requirement. Please contact susanna.a...@wikimedia.fi if you are interested. You may forward this to a person you know might be interested. Looking forward to talking with you! Susanna -- Susanna Ånäs Käyttäjä:Susannaanas Wikimedia Suomi – Wikimaps – GLAM @WMFinland / Facebook / Liity jäseneksi! ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Access other In Other Languages
Will there be mockups for adding/editing all the other stuff we have in wikidata? For example: it is actually not possible to choose a globe for a coordinate via the user interface. Btw: there are lots of coordinates not on Q2(earth) in wikidata (and some coordinates without any globe) Lukas Am Di 19.08.2014 20:43, schrieb Lydia Pintscher: On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Lukas Benedix lukas.bene...@fu-berlin.de wrote: Is there a mockup of the interface for this particular task? Can't find any for editing tasks. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:UI_redesign_input The second mock-up shows the header in expanded mode. Cheers Lydia ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Access other In Other Languages
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Lukas Benedix lukas.bene...@fu-berlin.de wrote: Will there be mockups for adding/editing all the other stuff we have in wikidata? For example: it is actually not possible to choose a globe for a coordinate via the user interface. Btw: there are lots of coordinates not on Q2(earth) in wikidata (and some coordinates without any globe) We'll be tackling that too but not yet. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] [Wikimedia-l] Compare person data
I started this report, you can find it here https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ladsgroup/Birth_date_report2. Best On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote: It's possible and rather easy to add them .just several regexes and list of months in that language are needed. but the issue is no major wikis except these three are using a person data template (Almost all of them have the template but almost none of them are using it widely) If any other wiki is using a person data template widely, I would be happy to implement it. Best On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Can we join more Wikipedias to the comparison? -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2014-08-19 10:38 GMT+03:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, Amir has created functionality that compares data from en.wp de.wp and it.wp. It is data about humans and it only shows differences where they exist. It compares those four Wikipedias with information in Wikidata. The idea is that the report will be updated regularly. The problem we face is: what should it actually look like. Should it just splatter the info on a page or is more needed. At this time we just have data [1]. Please help us with something that works easily for now. Once we have something, it can be prettified and more functional. Thanks, GerardM [1] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8079742/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/guidelineswikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Amir -- Amir ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] [Wikimedia-l] Compare person data
Thanks for this. You might want to filter it, though: For example https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q85256 states born in 1606 (no month or day given), but your report at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ladsgroup/Birth_date_report2/26 gives it as 1606-01-01, which then conflicts with the date given in Wikipedias (1606-03-18). Wikidata is less precise than Wikipedia here, but not actually wrong. Maybe these cases should be treated separately from the potential errors. Cheers, Magnus On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote: I started this report, you can find it here https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ladsgroup/Birth_date_report2. Best On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote: It's possible and rather easy to add them .just several regexes and list of months in that language are needed. but the issue is no major wikis except these three are using a person data template (Almost all of them have the template but almost none of them are using it widely) If any other wiki is using a person data template widely, I would be happy to implement it. Best On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Can we join more Wikipedias to the comparison? -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2014-08-19 10:38 GMT+03:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, Amir has created functionality that compares data from en.wp de.wp and it.wp. It is data about humans and it only shows differences where they exist. It compares those four Wikipedias with information in Wikidata. The idea is that the report will be updated regularly. The problem we face is: what should it actually look like. Should it just splatter the info on a page or is more needed. At this time we just have data [1]. Please help us with something that works easily for now. Once we have something, it can be prettified and more functional. Thanks, GerardM [1] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8079742/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/guidelineswikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Amir -- Amir ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] [Wikidata-tech] [Wikimedia-l] Compare person data
Yes, I have two options, I can just skip them or I can mark them in another color like pink or something else. What do you think? and what color if you recommend the latter. Best On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Thanks for this. You might want to filter it, though: For example https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q85256 states born in 1606 (no month or day given), but your report at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ladsgroup/Birth_date_report2/26 gives it as 1606-01-01, which then conflicts with the date given in Wikipedias (1606-03-18). Wikidata is less precise than Wikipedia here, but not actually wrong. Maybe these cases should be treated separately from the potential errors. Cheers, Magnus On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote: I started this report, you can find it here https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ladsgroup/Birth_date_report2. Best On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote: It's possible and rather easy to add them .just several regexes and list of months in that language are needed. but the issue is no major wikis except these three are using a person data template (Almost all of them have the template but almost none of them are using it widely) If any other wiki is using a person data template widely, I would be happy to implement it. Best On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Can we join more Wikipedias to the comparison? -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2014-08-19 10:38 GMT+03:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, Amir has created functionality that compares data from en.wp de.wp and it.wp. It is data about humans and it only shows differences where they exist. It compares those four Wikipedias with information in Wikidata. The idea is that the report will be updated regularly. The problem we face is: what should it actually look like. Should it just splatter the info on a page or is more needed. At this time we just have data [1]. Please help us with something that works easily for now. Once we have something, it can be prettified and more functional. Thanks, GerardM [1] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8079742/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/guidelineswikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Amir -- Amir ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-tech mailing list wikidata-t...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-tech -- Amir ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Commons Wikibase
I'd be particularly wary of inferring anything from the EXIF data, especially the time. I have a cheap digital camera which is pretty good except that the clock periodically resets to a default time. I've got a somewhat more expensive digital camera which has the same problem. I have an android tablet that I assume gets the time from the net and/or GPS, but when I took it ought of my gym bag the other day I noticed the time display had been switched to 24hrs and the time zone was switched to central. When I am in the photography habit, I keep the clock set on my cameras. Sometimes I fall out of the habit but something interesting happens and you'd better believe I am not going to waste time setting the clock if I get a chance to photograph a burning car! Similarly when travelling I might be bothered to set the timezone or not, more likely not if I have a layover in some place like Frankfurt or Schiphol airport. If somebody decided just to set the clock to Zulu I wouldn't blame them. Also, efforts to infer stuff from the EXIF data such as did the flash go off? rarely produce interesting results. For instance, it's a good habit to use the flash when you take photos of people outdoors on a bright day because it softens the shadows. Some people do it all the time and the auto mode on some cameras does it by default too. Thus, the flash is not an indicator that a photo was taken at night, indoors, in the dark, etc. If you filter on things like that, or the ISO level, or the exposure, or aperture, you're unlikely to get categories that are useful. On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: On 20.08.2014 10:46, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, When I add statements with is a list of, the item I refer to works as a base. It and all subsequent statements are required to be the result of the result that is generated by WDQ in the background. The results are shown automatically from within Reasonator. The hack is in having Reasonator interpret the limited expressions available. Then again, calling Reasonator a hack is a disservice to the real application it provides. Not sure what you refer to, but there might be a misunderstanding here. I was using the word hack in my email to refer to the proposal of using additional qualifiers to express queries in Wikidata. That was a new proposal in the email I replied to and had nothing to do with Reasonator or your annotations. Markus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Paul Houle Expert on Freebase, DBpedia, Hadoop and RDF (607) 539 6254paul.houle on Skype ontolo...@gmail.com ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] [Wikidata-tech] Breaking serialization change!
Hi Lydia, Thanks for your quick reply. So the data stored at wikidata.org repository database will not change, but the dumps of the database will change? Is it possible to provide 2 kinds of dumps? One for raw data (in internal JSON serialization format) and one for data model (in exteranl JSON serialization format). Thanks, Huidong On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 4:54 AM, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: Another related question: what are the new content model strings used for the new format? Cheers, Markus On 15.08.2014 20:04, Lydia Pintscher wrote: Hey folks :) Are you a tool author relying on dumps or Special:Export or use Lua on Wikidata to access data in items? Please read on. The JSON format returned by the API and what we use to store the data internally has been different for a long time. This has been a headache as people had to deal with two different JSON serializations. We've fixed this now to only use one. This means the format you get in the XML dumps, via Special:Export and when accessing the raw item page content via Lua will change to be the same as what you get from the API. We plan to deploy this change on August 26th. This is one of the remaining blockers for statements on properties and further progress on Commons support. I'm sorry for the disruption. If you need help with adapting your tools please let me know. Cheers Lydia ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] [Wikidata-tech] Breaking serialization change!
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Huidong Zhang anthonyzh...@google.com wrote: Hi Lydia, Thanks for your quick reply. So the data stored at wikidata.org repository database will not change, but the dumps of the database will change? The internal format will change to be the same as the external one. So what is stored in the database will change. This is also what you get through the XML dumps (not the JSON dumps). So those will also change. What will not change is the external format. This is what you get through the API for example. Is it possible to provide 2 kinds of dumps? One for raw data (in internal JSON serialization format) and one for data model (in exteranl JSON serialization format). The whole point of the exercise is to make them the same ;-) The JSON dumps at http://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/wikidata/ are what we recommend using and they will not change. Let me know if there is anything that's still unclear. I know it's a bit confusing and we should have gone with one serialization format from the start. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Commons Wikibase
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Paul Houle ontolo...@gmail.com wrote: I'd be particularly wary of inferring anything from the EXIF data, especially the time. We could (should!) store the date/time anyway, and slap a source:EXIF (or the like) qualifier on it. If there is a manual time (e.g. written in the template), that could become the preferred time statement. One would thus, by default, get the manual time, or EXIF time if no manual available. Or, one could ask specifically for either. Even if just to see how reliable EXIF time is in practice... Cheers, Magnus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Commons Wikibase
On 20 August 2014 16:51, Paul Houle ontolo...@gmail.com wrote: I have a cheap digital camera which is pretty good except that the clock periodically resets to a default time. You probably need to replace the internal battery. I keep the clock in my camera set to UTC, wherever I am in the world, because I was always forgetting to change it/ change it back when I changed timezones. My hone photos, though, have correct local times, because my phone updates its clock automatically. Meh. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
