Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata logo proposal

2012-04-05 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Hey folks :) You're all awesome for creating pretty logos! Love them. Can you all add them to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikidata#WikiData_logo_candidate please so we don't lose any of them? Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata: New ISO Metadata standard MLR published last year

2012-04-05 Thread Nadja Kutz
The ISO Standard sounds very interesting, but the price is really a problem. If I understand this correctly alone the basic quantities in cutting and grinding part 3 are 66 CHF http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_ics/catalogue_detail_ics.htm?ics1=01ics2=060ics3=csnumber=8055 which

Re: [Wikidata-l] A common, open access, human and computer readable data pool for scientist

2012-04-05 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 12:07 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/4/5 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de However if this is not going to happen in Wikidata itself there is probably demand for a separate instance where this would be possible. What do you mean? What I mean is

Re: [Wikidata-l] A common, open access, human and computer readable data pool for scientist

2012-04-05 Thread emijrp
Ah, ok. There will be wikidatafarms like Wikia-data : ) 2012/4/5 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 12:07 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/4/5 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de However if this is not going to happen in Wikidata itself

Re: [Wikidata-l] A common, open access, human and computer readable data pool for scientist

2012-04-05 Thread JFC Morfin
Lydia wrote: I would like that this project could serve in that manner the scientific community and provide standards for submission of data for scientist. Any plans in this direction? The en.wikipedia page on big data should give the answers, if it was kept current with the current Big Data

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata: New ISO Metadata standard MLR published last year

2012-04-05 Thread Nadja Kutz
Yury Katkov: As far as I know, sometimes thedrafts of ISO standards are available for free. Is there a free draft version somewhere One can get some text information within the ISO database, here is the documentation:

Re: [Wikidata-l] Data format for scientific data

2012-04-05 Thread Sofia Khatoon
Alexander, I think the unit of measurement and uncertainty can be stored in auxiliary Snaks. Sofia 2012/4/5 Alexander Täschner tasc...@uni-muenster.de Hi! I am a particle physicists, so I'm interested in using the Wikidata project in order to keep physical constants, like the mass or

[Wikidata-l] list for bug emails

2012-04-05 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Heya :) There is a new mailing list that will get all the bugmail related to Wikidata. You can subscribe at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs if you want to get them. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for

Re: [Wikidata-l] Output formats

2012-04-05 Thread emijrp
Semantic MediaWiki makes this correctly. Wikipedia uses to save numeric data without thousand separator, and the use {{formatnum:}} magic word. For conversions, see this example http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Berlin, the km2 is converted to sq mi using [[Corresponds to::]]

Re: [Wikidata-l] Data_model: Metamodel: Wikipedialink

2012-04-05 Thread Denny Vrandečić
The label and the description together are meant to be identifying. I.e. Georgia - A country in central Asia, or Frankfurt - A city in Hesse, Germany, etc. Additionally, the Wikipedia links provide quite some guidance to it. Cheers, Denny 2012/4/5 Gregor Hagedorn g.m.haged...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikidata-l] SNAK - assertion?

2012-04-05 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Dear Martynas, if you try to model the following statement in RDF The population density of France, as of an 2012 estimate, is 116 per square kilometer, according to the Bilan demographique 2010. you might notice that RDF requires a reification of the statement. The data model that you have

Re: [Wikidata-l] Data_model: Metamodel: Wikipedialink

2012-04-05 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 04/04/12 23:23, Gregor Hagedorn wrote: Wikidata can (and probably will) store information about each moon of Uranus, e.g., its mass. It does probably not make sense to store the mass of Moons of Uranus if there is such an article. It does not help to know that the article Moons on Uranus also

Re: [Wikidata-l] Type namespace

2012-04-05 Thread John McClure
Hi Denny - Thanks for your reply and I am relieved. The design seems in the process of walking towards looking quite alot like ISO Topic Maps, I must say, because it designates no wall of separation between classes and topics. Today that wall exists in SMW in the dichotomy of Category vs

Re: [Wikidata-l] Is a mailing-list efficient to discuss the Wikidata project?

2012-04-05 Thread Jan Kučera
You guys experiencing problems with reading mailing lists want probably start using Gmail, as it nicely agregates mails in threads so you can read it is a forum-style... 2012/4/4 Platonides platoni...@gmail.com: On 04/04/12 06:33, aniketkarmar...@aniketkarmarkar.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I must

Re: [Wikidata-l] Is a mailing-list efficient to discuss the Wikidata project?

2012-04-05 Thread Leukippos Institute
I have to admit that it is easy to miss the overview. What about a Facebook group? On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com wrote: You guys experiencing problems with reading mailing lists want probably start using Gmail, as it nicely agregates mails in threads so you can

Re: [Wikidata-l] Is a mailing-list efficient to discuss the Wikidata project?

2012-04-05 Thread emijrp
2012/4/6 Leukippos Institute leukipposinstit...@googlemail.com I have to admit that it is easy to miss the overview. What about a Facebook group? You can't organize the most important project for Internet in a while using that thing called Facebook.

Re: [Wikidata-l] Is a mailing-list efficient to discuss the Wikidata project?

2012-04-05 Thread Leukippos Institute
I am not fixed to fb. I was just thinking about a place where we can have a structured look to the posts and the responses. I miss the overview with all this emails. Any suggestions? On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:13 AM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/4/6 Leukippos Institute

Re: [Wikidata-l] Type namespace

2012-04-05 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Hi John, no, you have seen correctly that there is no separation between classes and instances. If this brings our model closer to topic maps, then this is convenient. I have to admit that my knowledge of topic maps is quite limited. As far as I understand it, they are an ISO standard and can be

Re: [Wikidata-l] SNAK - assertion?

2012-04-05 Thread John McClure
Denny said: But if you find a simpler, and more RDFish way to express the (below) statement, please feel free to enlighten me. I would be indeed very interested. The population density of France, as of an 2012 estimate, is 116 per square kilometer, according to the Bilan demographique 2010. A

Re: [Wikidata-l] Namespace-based model

2012-04-05 Thread Denny Vrandečić
John, your suggestion has two requirements that I think are hard to achieve: * first, we need an agreement on the set of (non-overlapping but complete) types that exist in the world * second, we would need to assume that the Wikidata editors would agree on one and exactly one type for every

Re: [Wikidata-l] Data_model: Metamodel: Wikipedialink

2012-04-05 Thread Brent Hecht
Hi All, Our data (using a 25-language dataset) agrees with Denny's. 99% of all connected components of the interlanguage link graph have only one article per language edition. This is something we looked into in some detail in our paper at ACM's CHI conference this year

Re: [Wikidata-l] Is a mailing-list efficient to discuss the Wikidata project?

2012-04-05 Thread Helder
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 18:27, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com wrote: You guys experiencing problems with reading mailing lists want probably start using Gmail, as it nicely agregates mails in threads so you can read it is a forum-style... +1 ___

Re: [Wikidata-l] Data_model: Metamodel: Wikipedialink

2012-04-05 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Thanks, Brent! I was hoping to get some numbers exactly from you :) I am extremely curious what kind of statements people will make in the Wikidata page about art, privacy, agriculture, army, etc. I am looking forward to see what the community will add there. That'll be fun to watch :) (Usually,

Re: [Wikidata-l] SNAK - assertion?

2012-04-05 Thread Denny Vrandečić
John, thanks! I fully agree. And this is indeed pretty much what we have in our data model.* I think that we really need to get our draft mapping to RDF done, in order to show that we align pretty much with this suggestion. Cheers, Denny * well, we also add density, but I think that is merely

Re: [Wikidata-l] SNAK - assertion?

2012-04-05 Thread John McClure
Denny said: you forgot to add something like France#Density:2012_pop_estimate_Bilan_2010 property Density . No I did not forget anything, given the Density 'namespace' in the subobject name. IOW your triple merely restates what is discernible from the subobject name. Maybe you should tell me what

Re: [Wikidata-l] Namespace-based model

2012-04-05 Thread John McClure
It's more accurate to say that your belief is an artifact of present tools. RDF has just one way to associate a Class with an object, the rdf:type attribute. Specifically because RDF makes no distinction between classes that represent a type-of-thing (eg a Character) and classes that represent a