Re: [Wikidata-l] When the source says the information provided is dubious

2014-05-06 Thread Thomas Douillard
We could create a new qualifier like ''contradicted by'' or ''disputed by''. The sourcs are a problem though as we can source only the totality of a claim, not only a qualifier of this claim, so we would have to source all the sources for the claim and it's disputation sources in the source

Re: [Wikidata-l] weekly summary #108

2014-05-06 Thread P. Blissenbach
Scott MacLeod worlduniversityandsch...@gmail.com writes: Hi Joe, Magnus, Andrew, GerardM, Jane, Daniel and Wikidatans,  Since Language fallback is not a luxury like it is for British English, it is essential for all the smaller languages. It is what prevents it from being editable / usable

Re: [Wikidata-l] When the source says the information provided is dubious

2014-05-06 Thread David Cuenca
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com wrote: We could create a new qualifier like ''contradicted by'' or ''disputed by''. The sourcs are a problem though as we can source only the totality of a claim, not only a qualifier of this claim, so we would have

Re: [Wikidata-l] weekly summary #108

2014-05-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, There are standards that define British English et al. It makes part of the ISO codes. We do not have to invent something like ISO 639-3eng. Thanks, GerardM On 5 May 2014 20:39, Scott MacLeod worlduniversityandsch...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Joe, Magnus, Andrew, GerardM, Jane, Daniel and

Re: [Wikidata-l] weekly summary #108

2014-05-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Purodha what you say about Ethnologue is very biases, wrong and often hardly relevant. When you know your history, Ethnologue was asked if they would bring in their expertise and system in the ISO processes because the existing ISO-639-2 was extremely inadequate. When it was included, it

Re: [Wikidata-l] weekly summary #108

2014-05-06 Thread P. Blissenbach
Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com writes: Hoi, There are standards that define British English et al. It makes part of the ISO codes. We do not have to invent something like  ISO 639-3eng. Indeed. There is a nice tool maintained by W3C corroborator Richard Ishida to look up current

Re: [Wikidata-l] When the source says the information provided is dubious

2014-05-06 Thread Friedrich Röhrs
Hi, These sort of things could also be modeled with another statement and opposite properties. If there is one Statement with the claim Chopin -- creator_of -- Nr. 17 with multiple source (Kobylańska and others), another statement with the claim Chopin -- not_creator_of -- Nr. 17 with a source

Re: [Wikidata-l] When the source says the information provided is dubious

2014-05-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, In the Netherlands it used to be that people were baptised as soon as possible after birth. The notion that he must have been born a few days earlier is not necessarily correct. Thanks, GerardM On 6 May 2014 17:18, Joe Filceolaire filceola...@gmail.com wrote: Having a property with

Re: [Wikidata-l] When the source says the information provided is dubious

2014-05-06 Thread Thomas Douillard
One alternative would be XX author *unknow value* with the disputer as a source. To express uncertainty we could also use a statement which says the author is *one of *the french painter in the years 1500 minus Leonardo, and create the appropriate class, although we do not have all the expressive

Re: [Wikidata-l] weekly summary #108

2014-05-06 Thread Scott MacLeod
Great, Purodha, GerardM and Wikidatans, I've gathered together some Language Code standardization sources, all potentially helpful for unfolding good design, here ... Language Code Ethnologue (Ethnologue now uses ISO 639 codes) http://www.ethnologue.com/browse/codes ISO 639 (International

Re: [Wikidata-l] weekly summary #108

2014-05-06 Thread P. Blissenbach
Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi,Purodha what you say about Ethnologue is very biases, wrong and often hardly relevant. I am sorry if my contribution was biased. My main goal was to warn that there are more than 7000-odd languages, extending ISO 639-3 is time consuming, and

Re: [Wikidata-l] weekly summary #108

2014-05-06 Thread James Forrester
On 4 May 2014 13:17, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de wrote: Am 04.05.2014 09:00, schrieb Lydia Pintscher: On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 1:28 AM, Joe Filceolaire filceola...@gmail.com wrote: Where are we with fallback languages? The status is that we have a plan for the next steps.