2008/12/29 Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) newyorkb...@gmail.com:
See also my comments on the on-wiki discussion of semiprotecting BLPs and
related issues, where I present a string of basic facts and assumptions that
color my view of this and related matters.
Flagged revs would solve many more
2008/12/29 David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com:
If we permit opt out, we will have a situation where we have, for all
medium-level people who are somewhat less than famous, favorable bios
only. There is no possible way to have both NPOV content and
subjects owning the articles on themselves.
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Scientia Potentia est
bibliomaniac...@yahoo.com wrote:
In the end, BLP is not one of our five pillars. The fact that we are an
encyclopedia is.
bibliomaniac15
And like anything on Wikipedia, subject to change. Who says we can't
have Six Pillars?
- Joe
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 6:14 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
2008/12/29 David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com:
If we permit opt out, we will have a situation where we have, for all
medium-level people who are somewhat less than famous, favorable bios
only. There is no possible way to
Its absence is not a violation provided we write biographies with tact
as blp advises us to do.
On 12/29/08, Joe Szilagyi szila...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 6:14 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
2008/12/29 David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com:
If we permit opt out, we
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 6:42 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
2008/12/29 Joe Szilagyi szila...@gmail.com:
And like anything on Wikipedia, subject to change. Who says we can't
have Six Pillars?
I'm thinking now of the scene in Robocop 2 where they come up with 347
basic directives
If Verizon or whatever Incompetant Inc. ISP he uses is unlikely to do
anything, why not just fix it from a technical end?
Allow blocking on a more granular level, if we know his ISP, and lock
out moves and redirects for the whole damn ISPs, and specifically
point the finger back in the block
2008/12/29 Joe Szilagyi szila...@gmail.com:
Correct. Opt-out will violate NPOV.
I think opt-out more than flagged, more than semi, more than anything
else would be fought to the death over by some extremists. But I don't
know if it would violate NPOV. Is an absence a violation?
347 basic directives does resemble the question barrage in a lot of RFAs
;-)
d.
If you think the volume of questions on RfA is bad these days, try running
for ArbCom. :)
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Correct. Opt-out will violate NPOV.
- d.
Why?
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Correct. Opt-out will violate NPOV.
- d.
Why?
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And what might you suggest as a sixth pillar in terms of this issue?
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--- On Mon, 12/29/08, Joe Szilagyi szila...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Joe Szilagyi szila...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Biography of Living persons
To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Date:
In a message dated 12/29/2008 9:33:08 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk writes:
In many ways, the most effective solution would be a hard-and-bright
line like the DNB uses - no-one who is alive, end of story, and we
could deal with living people as tangential notes in
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 7:15 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 12/29/2008 9:33:08 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk writes:
In many ways, the most effective solution would be a hard-and-bright
line like the DNB uses - no-one who is alive, end of story, and
Is he worth causing that much disruption to our users?
On 12/29/08, Joe Szilagyi szila...@gmail.com wrote:
If Verizon or whatever Incompetant Inc. ISP he uses is unlikely to do
anything, why not just fix it from a technical end?
Allow blocking on a more granular level, if we know his ISP, and
On 29/12/2008, Joe Szilagyi szila...@gmail.com wrote:
Allow blocking on a more granular level, if we know his ISP, and lock
out moves and redirects for the whole damn ISPs, and specifically
point the finger back in the block message: Blocked because of
JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp with a nice shiny
The problem with that is that many articles we have would not be
found in any dictionary.
X!
On Dec 29, 2008, at 6:02 PM [Dec 29, 2008 ], Ian Woollard wrote:
On 29/12/2008, Joe Szilagyi szila...@gmail.com wrote:
Allow blocking on a more granular level, if we know his ISP, and lock
out
What percentage of his page moves were not picked up automatically by a bot?
What percentage of this users vandalism is not picked up by a bot?
Why is the ISP responsible for what he dumps into Wikipedia, rather than
Wikipedia, as it allows itself to be a dumping ground? The Viacom/Youtube
On 29/12/2008, Joe Szilagyi szila...@gmail.com wrote:
Allow blocking on a more granular level, if we know his ISP, and lock
out moves and redirects for the whole damn ISPs, and specifically
point the finger back in the block message: Blocked because of
JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp with a nice shiny
Potthast, Stein, Gerling. (2008). Automatic Vandalism Detection in
Wikipedia.
http://www.uni-weimar.de/medien/webis/publications/downloads/papers/stein_2008c.pdf
Abstract. We present results of a new approach to detect destructive article
revi-
sions, so-called vandalism, in Wikipedia. Vandalism
Brian wrote:
By the way, I ask those questions having read the bots user page. It
is apparently quite effective, indicating to me that this user
causes minimal disruption.
minimal only applies if it doesn't impact *your* watchlist. OK, he's
fairly quickly detected, blocked and reverted, and
On 12/30/08, Marc Riddell michaeldavi...@comcast.net wrote:
Hey, guys! This whole thing could go away rather quickly if one (or more) of
the persons who feel victimized by him simply made a formal complaint to the
police.
Marc Riddell
I agree, Marc. I think we would find that most of this
This is preposterous.
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Sarah Ewart sarahew...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/30/08, Marc Riddell michaeldavi...@comcast.net wrote:
Hey, guys! This whole thing could go away rather quickly if one (or more)
of
the persons who feel victimized by him simply made a
on 12/29/08 6:37 PM, Brian at brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote:
This is preposterous.
What is?
Marc
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Sarah Ewart sarahew...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/30/08, Marc Riddell michaeldavi...@comcast.net wrote:
Hey, guys! This whole thing could go away rather
I hope you do understand that fixing the bots is not a simple task.
Is the research you mentioned availible in any way that we can make
use of it in programming?
On 12/29/08, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote:
Marc, your argument does not address the article I posted. In fact, it
on 12/29/08 7:09 PM, Brian at brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote:
Marc, your argument does not address the article I posted. In fact, it
contradicts it.
Brian, I wasn't addressing an article. I was addressing a specific problem
that is sitting across from us right now.
Marc
On Mon, Dec 29,
See [[User:Crispy1989]]. ClueBot is being rewritten, so it has an
artificial neural network now. In other words, it has a brain. This
enables it to learn about current vandalism strategies, and start
reverting them without Cobi directly programming in heuristics.
X!
On Dec 29, 2008, at
On 29/12/2008, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote:
Using logistic regression we achieve 83% precision at 77% recall
with our model.* Compared to the rule-based methods that are currently
applied*
*in Wikipedia, our approach increases the F -Measure performance by 49%
while*
*being faster
Your standards are far too high. Rules + automatic classification + human
eyes converges on 100%.
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.comwrote:
On 29/12/2008, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote:
Using logistic regression we achieve 83% precision at 77% recall
Ian Woollard wrote:
There's recently been a change to the naming disambiguation guideline.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conflict#Common_subsets_versus_less_common_supersets_with_shared_names
I'm interested in whether that is considered a good idea or not.
For example the
so are we calling the police or not?
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Soxred93 soxre...@gmail.com wrote:
I would talk to either Crispy1989 or Cobi about that, as they are the
prime developers of it. However, anyone can ask them for access to
the interface where you can teach the new ClueBot
WIKIPEDIA 2009 A.D.
THE MACHINES ROSE FROM THE ASHES OF THE VANDALISM FIRE.
THEIR WAR TO EXTERMINATE VANDALS HAS RAGED FOR YEARS,
BUT THE FINAL BATTLE WOULD NOT BE FOUGHT IN THE TOOLSERVER.
IT WOULD BE FOUGHT HERE, IN OUR WIKI.
TONIGHT...
I think not, the ai only decides whether the edit
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