Re: [WikiEN-l] Admin churn?

2009-07-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Andrew Turveyandrewrtur...@googlemail.com wrote: Does that mean we should have the same process for delisting admins - not really fair that candidates today are held to a higher standard than candidates who got through three years ago! Actually it is fair,

Re: [WikiEN-l] MediaWiki is getting a new programming language

2009-07-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:02 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: The point is that discussion of the matter is much more likely to be effective there rather than here, because there is specifically where the official discussion is being conducted! It's an open list, anyone can subscribe

Re: [WikiEN-l] MediaWiki is getting a new programming language

2009-07-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Neil Harrisuse...@tonal.clara.co.uk wrote: I find it rather difficult to understand exactly what you want here. Could you please give an example, even a rough one, of the sort of syntax you are proposing? For example, how would you write something like, say,

Re: [WikiEN-l] MediaWiki is getting a new programming language

2009-07-16 Thread Sheldon Rampton
Steve Bennett wrote: Oh, this is so easy in MOO code[1], it's not funny: {{`tostr(args[1], + , args[2], = , args[1] + args[2]) ! ANY = that's an error'}} (yes that's a backquote at the start and a normal one at the end. Semantics of + may differ from what you intended.) I think it

Re: [WikiEN-l] MediaWiki is getting a new programming language

2009-07-16 Thread Carcharoth
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Sheldon Ramptonshel...@prwatch.org wrote: Steve Bennett wrote: Oh, this is so easy in MOO code[1], it's not funny: {{`tostr(args[1], + , args[2], = , args[1] + args[2]) ! ANY = that's an error'}} (yes that's a backquote at the start and a normal one at

Re: [WikiEN-l] Admin churn?

2009-07-16 Thread Charles Matthews
Steve Bennett wrote: RfA is supposed to be purely a risk management exercise: we subject prospective admins to a couple of tests to reduce our risk that they go feral. I thought it was mainly an exercise to see if you cared enough to look up the standard acceptable answers to the standard

Re: [WikiEN-l] Admin churn?

2009-07-16 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/7/16 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com: Steve Bennett wrote: RfA is supposed to be purely a risk management exercise: we subject prospective admins to a couple of tests to reduce our risk that they go feral. I thought it was mainly an exercise to see if you cared enough to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Featured churn

2009-07-16 Thread Andrew Gray
2009/7/14 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: I fear the first thing that would spring to the community's beautiful collective mind would be a mass deletion of all stubs. I have, interestingly, been noticing it moving in exactly the opposite direction; articles with a couple of paragraphs of text,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Featured churn

2009-07-16 Thread Durova
Saturn's moon Triton; not my nomination. That delisting nomination was a particularly bad example of two trends: FPC reviewers failing to read the article for encyclopedic context, and the valued pictures program functioning as a parasitic growth upon the FP program. VP ought to be casting a

Re: [WikiEN-l] News suppression: Did it use Oversight or RevisionDelete?

2009-07-16 Thread Andrew Gray
2009/7/16 Joseph Reagle rea...@mit.edu: Does anyone know if during the NYT/Rohde case the Oversight function was used to hide edits? When the story broke, I could see all the edit history, but I presume the function can be deployed against select revisions and then removed? Or maybe it was

Re: [WikiEN-l] News suppression: Did it use Oversight or RevisionDelete?

2009-07-16 Thread FT2
Update: I've now checked the case, and yes I had heard of this matter. But being on a break for the last few weeks to deal with real-world matters, I hadn't made the connection just from the words Rohde/NYT. I checked which article with Rohde in the title, also covered the NYT as well. Luckily

[WikiEN-l] Oversight or RevisionDelete

2009-07-16 Thread Andrew Turvey
Many thanks for that reply - very useful to have the facts out in the open and I hope it helps to build trust. When oversight or suppression are used, it's book policy that oversighters almost never discuss or disclose anything, beyond what can be seen openly in the public logs. In

Re: [WikiEN-l] Oversight or RevisionDelete

2009-07-16 Thread FT2
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Andrew Turvey andrewrtur...@googlemail.com wrote: As you mentioned, oversight wasn't necessary in this case. However, it's not inconceivable that another case where oversight is used might also be temporarily sensitive. Perhaps, for instance, if it has been

Re: [WikiEN-l] Oversight or RevisionDelete

2009-07-16 Thread Luna
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Andrew Turvey andrewrtur...@googlemail.com wrote: In many cases, that makes sense. However, in this case, the sensitive material was only sensitive at the time - once the subject was released there was no continuing risk. As you mentioned, oversight wasn't

Re: [WikiEN-l] Featured churn

2009-07-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:06 AM, Andrew Grayandrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: I have, interestingly, been noticing it moving in exactly the opposite direction; articles with a couple of paragraphs of text, a reference or two, an image or an infobox, being marked as stubs. There's standards

Re: [WikiEN-l] MediaWiki is getting a new programming language

2009-07-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Sheldon Ramptonshel...@prwatch.org wrote: I think it needs more squiggly brackets. And a couple of @ symbols. Can you sprinkle in some hash marks too, pretty please? Sorry, would you prefer PLEASE MISTER COMPUTER I HAVE TWO NUMBERS CAN YOU ADD THEM TOGETHER AND

Re: [WikiEN-l] MediaWiki is getting a new programming language

2009-07-16 Thread David Gerard
2009/7/17 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: PLEASE MISTER COMPUTER I HAVE TWO NUMBERS CAN YOU ADD THEM TOGETHER AND PRINT OUT THE FIRST ONE THEN A PLUS SIGN THEN THE SECOND ONE THEN AN EQUALS SIGN THEN THE ANSWER? OH AND IF THEY'RE NOT NUMBERS, PRINT OUT ERROR. KTHXBYE. Insufficient

Re: [WikiEN-l] MediaWiki is getting a new programming language

2009-07-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:20 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: Insufficient politeness. Mmm, INTERCAL. Steve ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

Re: [WikiEN-l] MediaWiki is getting a new programming language

2009-07-16 Thread David Gerard
2009/7/17 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:20 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: Insufficient politeness. Mmm, INTERCAL. I am most pleased you spotted that. But OH MY GOD we need template syntax written in LOLCODE. I mean, we REALLY REALLY need template