Re: [WikiEN-l] for years been promoting admins who go with the flow rather than challenge low level bad behavior by admins and long standing users

2010-07-18 Thread FT2
It's a major issue, and needs recognition as such and a cultural problem, not just on ANI but anywhere it happens. FT2. On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Ryan Delaney ryan.dela...@gmail.comwrote: It seems like the trick is to work toward implementing this as an actual cultural ideology,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

2010-07-18 Thread Daniel R. Tobias
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:43:05 +0100, David Gerard wrote: en:wp does allow quite a few historic images under fair use. And no, they're not safe. But we're in this for the long haul, not a pretty page today. If you post any fair-use images, you'd better be prepared to defend them and jump

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

2010-07-18 Thread FT2
IAR isn't for a regular, predictable, situation where a generic agreed solution would be better, and not for a sourcing issue or systematic problem like this. More and more often there is a chance (small in any given case, large overall) that important information for an article may be blog

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

2010-07-18 Thread David Goodman
I like the approach, but sources are more or less reliable, not absolutely R or not-R. The factors you list affect the degree of reliability, but where to put the bar so it can be used in Wikipedia will vary with different subjects, and with different purposes. (for example, the bar for

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

2010-07-18 Thread FT2
Can you explain and suggest what you mean here? FT2 On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 9:46 PM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: (Snip) Perhaps a rewording not using absolute terms might work better--NFCC has shown the disadvantages of using in an absolute sense things that need to be

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

2010-07-18 Thread David Goodman
1. the content is significant to the purpose of the article, or NPOV would be compromised if absent; 2. the content is not published in a more reliable easily available source; 3. the author's details and the origins of the material (authenticity) is not in significant good-faith question;

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

2010-07-18 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010, FT2 wrote: So I would be okay with a solution that extended and built upon SELFPUB. For example: It's a nice try, but it still has the limitation to not being about third parties. We clearly can't just do away with that completely, but it needs to be relaxed somehow.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

2010-07-18 Thread Ian Woollard
On 18/07/2010, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: IAR isn't for a regular, predictable, situation where a generic agreed solution would be better, and not for a sourcing issue or systematic problem like this. More and more often there is a chance (small in any given case, large overall) that