Re: [WikiEN-l] Yet another PR company busted ... apparently it's all our fault

2012-11-16 Thread David Goodman
There is a fundamental difference between our inefficient and sometimes unsuccessful attempts to do things right, and their deliberate attempts to do things wrong. And there is also a difference, though a smaller one, between an individual's misguided attempt to fix what he perceives as

Re: [WikiEN-l] Yet another PR company busted ... apparently it's all our fault

2012-11-16 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:28 PM, David Goodman dgge...@gmail.com wrote: There is a fundamental difference between our inefficient and sometimes unsuccessful attempts to do things right, and their deliberate attempts to do things wrong. Yes, but we must not forget that PR people are not the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Yet another PR company busted ... apparently it's all our fault

2012-11-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 November 2012 14:38, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but we must not forget that PR people are not the only people who use Wikipedia to do things wrong. By operating the completely open system we do, we enable *anyone* to do wrong, be they PR or staff working for a company,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Yet another PR company busted ... apparently it's all our fault

2012-11-16 Thread Charles Matthews
On 16 November 2012 14:38, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:28 PM, David Goodman dgge...@gmail.com wrote: There is a fundamental difference between our inefficient and sometimes unsuccessful attempts to do things right, and their deliberate attempts to do

Re: [WikiEN-l] Yet another PR company busted ... apparently it's all our fault

2012-11-16 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 16 November 2012 14:38, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:28 PM, David Goodman dgge...@gmail.com wrote: There is a fundamental difference between our inefficient