Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

2010-07-16 Thread Carcharoth
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 5:11 AM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: snip And even this excuse doesn't work for the Bradley example.  Having only one side of a dispute because one side of the dispute is a published author and can more easily get her side published in a reliable source

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

2010-07-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 July 2010 08:53, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: One of the problems, though, is that the founding principle that content must be freely licensed has resulted in large swathes of images being declared forbidden (because you would need to pay to use them and you couldn't

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

2010-07-16 Thread Charles Matthews
Ken Arromdee wrote: On Thu, 15 Jul 2010, Charles Matthews wrote: Why is this any different from any other kind of arcana? And do people really lose sleep over this sort of thing? There must be a huge amount of insider-like knowledge associated with politics, sport, business, whatever. If

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

2010-07-16 Thread Carcharoth
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:43 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 July 2010 08:53, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: One of the problems, though, is that the founding principle that content must be freely licensed has resulted in large swathes of images being declared

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

2010-07-16 Thread Charles Matthews
Carcharoth wrote: It is an interesting point that being hardline about copyright puts pressure on some organisations and governments to reconsider their laws and regulations. But there is an element where Commons (and to a lesser extent Wikipedia) is seen as acting like the copyright police,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

2010-07-16 Thread Carcharoth
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Carcharoth wrote: It is an interesting point that being hardline about copyright puts pressure on some organisations and governments to reconsider their laws and regulations. But there is an element where

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

2010-07-16 Thread Bod Notbod
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: Summary: A joke character with a similar name existed in comics fandom.  The writer who put this character in the comic book mistakenly thought he was a preexisting character, and it's possible he confused him with the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

2010-07-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 July 2010 18:38, Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote: If your desire is to overturn a central plank of Wikipedia policy - verifiability - then it would probably be wise not to present a joke comic character and a fan fiction dispute as plausible grounds to do so. Indeed. Particularly

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

2010-07-16 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010, Bod Notbod wrote: Put the character on a comics Wikia with all the desired information and have Wikipedia link to it. Presumably a Wikia on comics can establish its own reliable sources list to allow comic fan journals We'd then have Wikipedia linking to something that's

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

2010-07-16 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010, Charles Matthews wrote: You are shifting ground there, of course. It is true that in a sense we have subordinated NPOV to RS, by saying we are not going to allow vague assertions that there is more than one side to a story, only things we can verify. I'm disputing

Re: [WikiEN-l] for years been promoting admins who go with the flow rather than challenge low level bad behavior by admins and long standing users

2010-07-16 Thread Ryan Delaney
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 5:18 PM, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: But I think the key norms are universally accepted. Take No personal attacks and civility as two examples. Differences may exist whether a particular matter is or isnt an attack or uncivil, whether to act or ignore it, and a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

2010-07-16 Thread Bod Notbod
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: Put the character on a comics Wikia with all the desired information and have Wikipedia link to it. Presumably a Wikia on comics can establish its own reliable sources list to allow comic fan journals We'd then have

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

2010-07-16 Thread Bod Notbod
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: Put the character on a comics Wikia with all the desired information and have Wikipedia link to it. Presumably a Wikia on comics can establish its own reliable sources list to allow comic fan journals We'd then have