Re: [WikiEN-l] How the Professor Who Fooled Wikipedia Got Caught by Reddit, _The Atlantic_

2012-05-20 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
On 21 May 2012 00:09, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: Gwern Branwen wrote: There's nothing to answer; Yes, there is. Your methodology has been challenged, and you've yet to identify the compromised articles, indicate that you've stopped performing such edits or confirm that the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Point me to discussions with newcomers about notability?

2011-10-08 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogscast springs to mind. A million followers on Youtube, arguably one of the factors in making Minecraft as popular as it is today, deleted time after time. Michel Vuijlsteke On 9 October 2011 01:11, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.comwrote: One good

Re: [WikiEN-l] Point me to discussions with newcomers about notability?

2011-10-08 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
/The_Yogscast On 9 October 2011 01:18, Michel Vuijlsteke wikipe...@zog.org wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogscast springs to mind. A million followers on Youtube, arguably one of the factors in making Minecraft as popular as it is today, deleted time after time. Michel Vuijlsteke On 9

Re: [WikiEN-l] Point me to discussions with newcomers about notability?

2011-10-08 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
on that! --HTMLCODER.exehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:HTMLCODER.exe (talk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:HTMLCODER.exe) 23:25, 28 April 2011 (UTC) Awesome in combination with nuking stuff and salting a page? Ack. Michel On 9 October 2011 01:38, Michel Vuijlsteke wikipe...@zog.org wrote

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia committee member

2010-08-31 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
on white text, etc. Any of these display methods could have a enough with the spoiler warnings or don't hide plot points from me anymore -- that's just a UI point. Of course, it's a little late for that now. All that information was removed. Too bad. Michel Vuijlsteke On 31 August 2010 15:53, Nathan

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia committee member

2010-08-31 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
On 31 August 2010 16:51, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 August 2010 15:16, Michel Vuijlsteke wikipe...@zog.org wrote: Whether a part of an article is a spoiler or not (and it's certainly not a black white issue) is an interesting bit of metadata to add. There's a variety

Re: [WikiEN-l] List of Rivers of Egpyt - what to do?

2010-05-25 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
Add links to [Wadi]? To [Brook of Egypt]? :) On 25 May 2010 09:05, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: So I decided to fill in a red link I saw on the community portal: [[List of Rivers of Egypt]]. I started creating the article, then reached the amusing realisation that perhaps there is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

2010-01-21 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
2010/1/21 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com Does anyone have a summary of the articles deleted in the present blood-crazed axe frenzy? Is there a list up? And/or a description of the general type of BLP deleted? I understand many were hardly-viewed articles with no edits in the last six

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay

2009-09-18 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
2009/9/18 Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com If I were to place restorations under copyleft license it would backfire. Not necessarily backfire against me personally, but against the free culture movement. Look at the paint by numbers analogies within this list thread: many people cannot

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay

2009-09-18 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
2009/9/18 Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com A new creative copyright is generated each time a tourist stands beneath the Venus de Milo and takes a snapshot due to the inherent creative decision in choosing angle and lighting when photographing three dimensional artwork. Creative copyright

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay

2009-09-18 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
2009/9/18 Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com Let's set the Sistine Chapel example to rest: physical restoration and digital restoration are so different that it clouds the discussion to compare them. I could not disagree more. But I get the impression this is a discussion that would be a lot

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay

2009-09-17 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
2009/9/17 Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com The Louis Brandeis restoration was 20 hours' labor. Extensive staining and chemical damage required careful reconstruction including large portions of his face. It is, likewise, shocking to encounter a senior editor--an arbitrator no less--who

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay

2009-09-17 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
2009/9/17 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Michel Vuijlsteke wikipe...@zog.org wrote: I personally think image restoration is more like painting by numbers than creative work. It's like creating an Ikea bookcase: there is some *skill* involved

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay

2009-09-17 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
2009/9/17 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Michel Vuijlsteke wikipe...@zog.org wrote: 2009/9/17 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com snip And in any cases, some aspects of restoration *are* creative (mainly the ones that involve filling

Re: [WikiEN-l] News agencies are not RSs

2009-06-30 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
I don't see why they didn't indef-protect the entry with a reference to an OTRS ticket. That eventually happened, but only after much drama, and after branding a news agency unreliable. Michel 2009/6/30 Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com Can I ask what policy this was done under? While I

Re: [WikiEN-l] News agencies are not RSs

2009-06-30 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
2009/6/30 Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com Even if we think *they* were not a RS (which of course they are), there were still other sources: Word came close to leaking widely last month when Rohde won his second Pulitzer Prize, as part of the Times team effort for coverage of Afghanistan and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Twitterpedia will win

2009-05-04 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
2009/5/5 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com The Peloponnesian War, which lasted from 431-404BC, was an Ancient Greek military war, fought by Athens and its empire against the Peloponnesian League, led by Sparta. That's 167 characters. Think we could get a 140 character requirement added to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Art incident

2009-04-26 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
2009/4/27 Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wjhon...@aol.com wrote: If I create a piece of art using Coca-Cola bottles and call it Coca-Cola Art am I infringing on a trademark? Or am I describing my art piece accurately? Was Andy Warhol ever sued for his Campbell Soup cans? I think

Re: [WikiEN-l] A morsel of substance, a truckload of nonsense

2009-04-23 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
2009/4/23 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com 2009/4/23 wjhon...@aol.com: In this case, there are two pages (yes just two) of biography if you will, and *six* pages of this nonsense. That's just a tad overweight I think we can all agree on that point. The solution is to add more bio,

Re: [WikiEN-l] A morsel of substance, a truckload of nonsense

2009-04-23 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
2009/4/23 wjhon...@aol.com The Domesday holdings are not significant to his biography. We are not trying to build a land holdings database, we are writing biographies. We are writing a comprehensive written compendium that holds information from either all branches of knowledge or a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Citizendium vs. Wikipedia

2009-04-22 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
2009/4/22 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com And Citizendium's coverage is lacking in vital areas. I tried to look up Macedonia, but no article. One sentence article: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Mongolia One paragraph article: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Greece No articles

Re: [WikiEN-l] An open letter to Jimmy Wales

2009-04-11 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
2009/4/11 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: 2009/4/11 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net: Unreal! And Larry Sanger thought he could come to Wikipedia and lodge complaints... Indeed. It's the bit where he's behaving here in a manner that wouldn't be put up with for a second on Citizendium or

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to simplify and improve image markup in Wikipedia

2009-04-03 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
Great stuff, all of this. Seriously, thanks. 2009/4/3 Håkon Wium Lie howc...@opera.com I've spent the last few days analyzing Wikipedia's HTML code for images and captions. The current code is quite good, but verbose and it has redundancies. Here is a proposal that describes how to simplify

Re: [WikiEN-l] Microsoft kills Encarta

2009-03-31 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
2009/3/31 doc doc.wikipe...@ntlworld.com Today's unassailable phenomena, which no one can see anyone displacing, is tomorrow's footnote. BASIC anyone? Sinclair? Plastic records? [[Visual Basic .NET]]! ___ WikiEN-l mailing list

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to simplify and improve footnote markup in Wikipedia

2009-03-31 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
+1 2009/3/31 Håkon Wium Lie howc...@opera.com In the quest to simplify and improve Wikipedia's HTML code, the turn has come to footnotes. Here is a proposal that describes how the number of elements needed to represent footnotes can be halved:

[WikiEN-l] Ooh, shiny: Wikirank

2009-03-27 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
Did anyone see? http://wikirank.com/en ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Deletion for its own sake (was MUD history)

2009-01-13 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
2009/1/12 Philip Sandifer snowspin...@gmail.com On Jan 11, 2009, at 8:56 PM, David Gerard wrote: Well, not really. If they don't believe a given item can have reliable sources - the sort of rabid nutters who brag about deletion tallies on their user pages - then they just won't accept

Re: [WikiEN-l] Deletion for its own sake (was MUD history)

2009-01-13 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
2009/1/13 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Michel Vuijlsteke wikipe...@zog.org wrote: snip Anyone any idea where I could find the original AfD? It seems to have disappeared: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title

Re: [WikiEN-l] MUD history dissolving into the waters of time

2009-01-10 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
2009/1/10 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net Wikipedia editors should really have enough knowledge about their subject matter to make choices based on good judgement rather than strict adherence to flawed guidelines. Any guideline, law or contract doesn't absolve one from using one's brain —

Re: [WikiEN-l] MUD history dissolving into the waters of time

2009-01-10 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
Ah, the irony. This entire episode has produced articles like this: http://www.raphkoster.com/2009/01/08/wikipedia-muds-and-where-the-sources-are/ Lots of information there for Wikipedia. 2009/1/10 Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com Two centuries ago, Jane Austen was popular culture for teenage

Re: [WikiEN-l] Anti-intellectualism

2008-12-11 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
Diffs or it didn't happen! :) Michel 2008/12/11 Phil Sandifer snowspin...@gmail.com Avoiding making this a de facto RFC on a given article... I've been getting into a fairly nasty feud on a popular culture article in which I added an academic criticism section, summarizing articles I

Re: [WikiEN-l] Serious problems with interlanguage links

2008-12-06 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
2008/12/6 Eugene van der Pijll [EMAIL PROTECTED] (who is a bit ticked off about this subject because of all the work he's done to keep incorrect wikilinks off the [[Hoek]] dab page...) Sorely tempted to add a reference to Ren Höek to [[Hoek]]. :D Michel