in the past and are saying now.
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flux, the sources often need to be redone or re-examined.
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#Disruptive_school_project.3F
I don't understand the problem with assigning editing Wikipedia to a
classroom.
Why not?
See above link.
The counter example is the Madness and Mayhem project:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Murder_Madness_and_Mayhem
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books.
Click the edit this page button up top.
And away you go! :-)
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On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote:
Wtf go look in jstor- they happily assert copyright on hundreds of
thousands of pre 1928 pd documents.
On 12/25/08, wjhon...@aol.com wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 12/24/2008 2:46:15 PM Pacific
Yes. Though I'm not the one screaming here. :-)
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On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 7:30 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
OMG...
THIS is what you are screaming about?
Silly silly silly boy.
They DO have a copyright to the PHOTOGRAPH you bazooka.
They do NOT have a copyright to the plain text
wouldn't mention it except I've
already had complaints this quicly.
It's Christmas. Don't do anything based on what was said to me. :-)
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because it's consensus.
Have you tried suggesting this change on the talk page and advertising
the discussion at various relevant noticeboards and other project talk
pages?
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On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:10 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
2008/12/29 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com:
I can point to articles that source statements and claims to Tolkien's
letters, or quotes from those letters. The articles should probably,
more technically, point
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 1:30 AM, The Cunctator cuncta...@gmail.com wrote:
There is the problem that Derrida mostly wrote deliberately inscrutable
nonsense.
What's that sound of ghostly laughter I hear?
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On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:02 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
snip
An object takes on increased significance, with the number of publications
mentioning it.
Do we want a work that has a list of the 3 billion known
of
oblique secondary mentions - but I don't consider those to be sources for
the article, and would not include them when I add material.
Consider those oblique secondary sources to be notability sources to
allow the use of the primary sources.
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?
Or even over there?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Plagiarism#Another_view.2C_and_a_plea_for_guidance
Hmm. That talk page needs archiving.
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to assess and judge and rank biographical sources
for reliability.
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and inferences made by the editors of those articles.
Discuss! :-)
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On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Angela Anuszewski
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Excuse my ignorance, but excatly what is Private Eye?
I looked it up in a handy online encyclopedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Eye
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, and is less
chaotic than ANI. At the moment, WT:RFAR is all there is for this is
there a problem here pre-RFAR query - see a post made there by Masem
on another issue that has garnered little response.
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of the discussion here. As a sitting arbitrator, I'm going to do
exactly that and stop posting in this thread until the matter has been
resolved.
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we would have far fewer deletes.
You might get arguments over links and redirections to or from or not
(as the case may be) this namespace.
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On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote:
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That would mess up linking between articles.
No, it would create red links, which would help people find the
sub-par article and encourage them to improve it.
Red
what should be happening with this image?
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happened there, though he
may be unable to tell you much more.
See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:OTRS
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to various
places and people, and various histories being recorded for each
separate copy. If the original provenance is lost, it can sometimes
appear that a single photo has several different claims of
ownership.
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of editing the proposal
With many refinements from experiences other people have had of such processes.
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ever seen. It has been a
long-standing axiom as far as I can remember that AfD is not cleanup.
What *can* happen is someone closes as keep or no consensus, and then
*adds* their opinion (or that of others) that cleanup is needed. But
that is not a close of cleanup.
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topics?
Yes (why)
No (why)
No opinion.
Better wording is of course welcome.
There is a fiction-related questionnaire already by Pixelface (not
everyone likes it though):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pixelface/Fiction_Survey_2008_draft
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survey like
this, and finding someone willing to help with some moderate form of
statistical analysis. The number of page views is also something that
should have more prominence in the debate, in my opinion.
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references). But what if there is no museum/library/archive image?
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markets in old stuff. Which
leads to hoarding.
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On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Thomas Larsen
larsen.thoma...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
Epistemia aims to provide something better.
How did you come up with the name, and what does it mean? :-)
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On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 1:28 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Thomas Larsen
larsen.thoma...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
Epistemia aims to provide something better.
How did you come up
as the application to track how many
people view deleted revisions of a deleted page. Just go to a deleted
page and plug the URL of the viewdeleted version for the page in
question into the stats.grok.se thingy. If non-admins can't work out
the URL, ask around and it should be simple to construct.
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available in more than 250 languages and attracts about 700
million visitors annually. The English editon alone contains nearly
2.7 million articles.
Britannica is 46 million words.
Do we know how many *words* Wikipedia is?
How many *articles* Britannica is?
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PS. That's an *awful* picture
still have to wonder
why, of all the photos of Jimbo that exist in the world, they picked
the one of him in a dress.
I think it is a Chinese top.
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, but it was a GETTY image! Why not a freely licensed image? :-)
A cropped version was used here:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/biztech/battle-to-outgun-wikipedia-and-google/2009/01/22/1232471469973.html
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it. But this is getting off-topic. Back to Flagged Revisions.
What is the latest news?
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and good-faith
misrepresentation of sources by poor or skewed writing.
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Wikipedia or a test
wiki (is there one?).
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in the same article. Log out
occasionally and see what the majority of our readers see. It can be
quite a shock to have all the customised skins and user preferences
taken away. Ditto for DVD and print versions of articles.
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On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 1:47 AM, White Cat
wikipedia.kawaii.n
Please remember that the archives of this mailing list are available
for anyone to read.
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On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Alvaro García alva...@gmail.com wrote:
Hehe great one.
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:20, Giacomo M-Z solebaci...@googlemail.comwrote:
I am giving him the bio he so
.
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style and define date names as well (eg:
2008-12-25|f=Friday, 25 December 2008|name=Christmas Day (2008))
2008-12-25|f=Friday, 25 December 2008|name=Christmas Day (2008)
That is rather complex. Most editors are not going to want to type that.
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people
started working (or resuming work) on a technical solution, there was
too much momentum and the speed of the bot operations almost certainly
discouraged those who had been working on technical solutions. Lots of
bad-faith assumptions and foot-dragging and forcing solutions
through.
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On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:12 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/2/9 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com:
To pick another example. The reference desks (which I think are great)
are technically a bit divorced from the encyclopedia building, but I
think are a legitimate side
website, and
among the most popular stories:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/live_stats/html/map.stm
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Wikipedia before buying it, or more likely, reading about the author.
But I would, admittedly, be more likely to read a review somewhere,
though I *might* come to Wikipedia to find a review through the
article.
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statistical analysis or history of Wikipedia?
Sorry, got a bit off-topic there! :-)
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(for example), but the level and degree of the resulting problems
may vary (and the encyclopedia is so large today that the behaviour is
not always consistent across the whole anyway).
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Agree 100% with David (DGG) here. On the other hand, a careful
combination of templates with personalised messages can also work. See
this essay here for more on this type of approach:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ArielGold/Etiquette2
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someone doesn't give them the chance to retract
their comments...
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, the topic, or the environment. Sometimes it is all three.
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On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote:
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On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Sam Korn smo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
2009/2/16 Alvaro García alva...@gmail.com:
Doesn't
very satisfying to write a new article that has 10 or so incoming
links already! :-)
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experts tend to prefer to write more limited, specialised articles.
Sometimes the subsidiary articles need to be written to a good level
before the general article can be tackled. Sometimes it is the other
way round.
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2009/2/17 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com:
If these all count as low-hanging fruit, they may have been picked,
but they haven't really ripened yet. Part of the trouble is that truly
general, overview articles
various articles. In this case, there
isn't much mention of the medal in other articles, but for other
orphaned articles there can be.
And I should finish writing the article as well. It's still pretty stubby.
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, or they get incensed. Some people see
it as no big deal, even if incorrect, as long as the incorrectness is
acknowledged. Others get clase about being blocked, not realising that
as the block build up, they acquire a reputation (though you can get a
reputation without a lock log record).
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. I find examples of that fairly
regularly, but am not sure how common it is.
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that's been stuck on the bottom of 50 or so articles. Really annoying
- categories was (is!) meant to avoid that.
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* on the 4-month-old, but not
the 2-year old:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stuart,_Duke_of_Kintyre
The template at the bottom of that article seems overkill.
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On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Charles Matthews
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On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Charles Matthews
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snip
And another thing - I'd resist this in all cases where there was a place
for a person
some interesting stuff:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Memory_processes
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On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote
2009/2/23 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Bowen
It's a great example of maudlinism run rampant. Why this 2
. But there will always be some level of incivility. How do you
know when the levels are acceptable once again? When more articles are
being written? My theory is that the articles still get written, just
slower, and some article writers are lost for good (or never arrive).
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. If the
fairway is too broad, then too much slips through. Even if people
agree on where the central point should be, what should be done when
people disagree on how broad the fairway should be?
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in the main country
infoboxes?
Here we go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
The weather articles are similarly stats- and table-heavy.
I'm sure they are useful, but do people really use them?
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is in the first sentence of Moon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon
And wonders of wonders, it includes about thirty times the diameter
of the Earth - which makes the data accessible and informative. :-)
[Both Moon and Earth are featured articles, btw.]
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of people have checked any particular
reference and agreed with it, regardless of whether it is offline or
online.
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Obama, the succession boxes are inside a footer template!
Barack Obama:
8 succession boxes
16 footer templates
46 categories
I'm sure there is record somewhere for the most categories on an article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MostCategories
That's out-of-date though.
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Only on Wikipedia would you find something like that!
My favourite was assumed room temperature.
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single sentence of the below, although I
do grasp the single words...
I'm in a similar position - I think this should be on the talk page
where people that have the faintest idea what jenetiks is might be
around.
It appears to be an alternative spelling for genetics.
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into a redirect), or people agreeing
that something separate is needed to address the complexities of such
matters.
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote:
That becomes a bit difficult without naming individuals who may not
subscribe to this list
, I think.
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not
to.
But as long as the context makes clear what is happening, it should be OK.
In a similar way, some really strange literature uses this as a device
to messes with readers' minds, leaving them confused as to who is
speaking, and when, to whom.
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On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 7:56 PM, wjhon
the Romans and
Victorians from *somewhere*. Maybe it was a form of osmosis from
popular culture and museums and references in other books and from TV?
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Wikipedia, and credit Wikipedia only in-so-far as it provided an entry
point into reading about the topic.
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the Tuskegee Study, etc. Indeed, who would?
Does that make the board of education part of the problem?
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[Correcting previous post - can't Wikipedia have editable posts?]
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Carcharoth
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On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Charlotte Webb
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Biographies_of_living_persons/Archive_20#Workflow_and_project_management_proposal
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On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Alex Sawczynec glasscobr...@gmail.com
wrote:
With all due respect, this isn't exactly new: it's been open for almost
two weeks now. Is there a particular reason it's being posted
making a comeback in another form?
I liked Encarta - it was the first real encyclopedia I used. So I feel
a bit torn here.
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making fortune from this
Some Wikipedia mirrors seem to be trying to do this already.
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On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Carcharoth
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On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:15 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
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In fact if I had to put a guess on what will replace wikipedia is will
be made to order articles generated on the fly from a wide range
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Slakr/TPE
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:50 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
Kill the messenger!
Does anyone have a mob of peasants with torches standing around handy?
-Original Message-
From: Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org
To: Wikimedia developers
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Riots
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 1:01 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Slakr/TPE
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:50 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
Kill the messenger!
Does anyone have a mob of peasants
it was destroyed!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria#Destruction_of_the_Library
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Agreed. Though is it annoying when you see people working on things to
address this, and then see critics, who inspired some people, carry
and recharge itself. Less
long sessions editing Wikipedia, and more targeted editing, adding
more value-per-click (ugh, I can't believe I just said that).
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Hopefully it can be tweaked to distinguish between removal and
replacement with a death category. And then people can check edits
made claiming someone has died, and make sure reliable sources have
been provided for such claims.
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been happening.
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On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:54 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
I did not suggest doc that anyone can review.
Review what I said again.
I said that established users can review, that it should be an
automatic right at a certain point and that admins cannot remove
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Sam Korn smo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com
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Hopefully it can be tweaked to distinguish between removal and
replacement with a death category. And then people can check edits
made claiming
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