Re: [Wikimania-l] Sad news

Ciao Romaine, I have not understood (really)... but people cannot tell you, politely, "don't stay so close to me" or "don't touch my shoulders" or "don't speak so loud" instead of reporting to someone else? Kind regards On 19/07/2018 21:30, Romaine Wiki wrote: - People say I have been

Re: [Wikimania-l] Sad news

jeez*, if people feel offended by a loud voice, and instead of moving away are prompted to formally complain, and if a touch on the shoulder is considered harrassment, something is deeply wrong. Let's _not_ cultivate sensitivitism by way of a badges-turned set of interdictions. It's like in

Re: [Wikimania-l] Sad news

I have just read through the long thread of replies and I am appalled that Romaine was asked to "step down" for safety concerns of an individual (or several individuals?) arising from his standing too close or speaking too loud or whatever. Is THIS really a behaviour that can put someone at risk?

[Wikimania-l] Movement Strategy Space @ Wikimania

Hi all, On Friday, Saturday and Sunday, my team will be hosting Strategy Sessions, and a Strategy Bar, to provide an update, seek your feedback, harvest your expertise, and respond to all questions as the Movement Strategy advances. Please check the detailed schedule on-wiki.

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Devouard (gmail), 20/07/2018 12:18: So, I am thinking that... whilst some of us put little stickers on our badges to indicate we do not want to be taken in picture, perhaps we need to consider also little stickers to put on our badges to indicate that we prefer "a certain physical distance"

Re: [Wikimania-l] Hands on shoulders (Re: Sad news)

Hi Amir, It's not me who made a homophobic comment, it is how the country tgat I pive in sees two males. I have several gay friends so PLEASE DO NOT take a rant on me by starting a topic that has no base. I simply wanted to point out how an innocent gesture of one culture could be perceived in

[Wikimania-l] Hands on shoulders (Re: Sad news)

I'm really sorry to deviate from the main topic, I made another thread so it would be less distractive. On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 1:24 PM Dhaval S. Vyas wrote: > > > E.g. in India it is very common for 2 male friends to walk with hands on > eachother's shoulder or hand in hand, but when I first

Re: [Wikimania-l] Sad news

Dear James, As I made clear in our conversation yesterday, this happened to me, but has can and could have happened to almost everyone of the other participants at this conference. Yes, we need to respect the privacy of the people who reported they were uncomfortable, and it is a very very very

Re: [Wikimania-l] Book Swapping at Wikimania

https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Book_Swapping On Fri, 20 Jul 2018 at 14:27, Ranjith S wrote: > Already given my book > > On Wednesday, July 18, 2018, Reem Al-Kashif > wrote: > >> I have got books :) where is the table to put them on? >> >> On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 at 18:40, balaji wrote:

Re: [Wikimania-l] Book Swapping at Wikimania

Already given my book On Wednesday, July 18, 2018, Reem Al-Kashif wrote: > I have got books :) where is the table to put them on? > > On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 at 18:40, balaji wrote: > >> nice initiative.. >> >> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 7:27 PM Nurunnaby Hasive >> wrote: >> >>> Good idea. I'm trying

Re: [Wikimania-l] Sad news

"and yet for the comfort and safety of everyone else, they may be requested to step down from their volunteering, and that's ok." " the decision was never meant as a punishment." hmmm On Fri, 20 Jul 2018 at 13:53, Siebrand Mazeland wrote: > Please. Just. Stop. > >

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hi, a lot of good comments have been given already. As a person not involved and without knowledge of the case, but on occasion teaching cross-cultural management, I just want to piggyback on what James stated and add: sometimes a person can act in 100% good faith, and yet for the comfort and

Re: [Wikimania-l] Sad news

Hi, I think we need to consider that we have participants from different countries and hence different cultures. Touching might not be considered bad behaviour at all in one culture but could be completely unacceptable in another. E.g. in India it is very common for 2 male friends to walk with

Re: [Wikimania-l] Vegan food

Just ask the servers here and they will point out vegan and vegetarian options which we are offering. Some areas are labelled. Ellie On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Charlie Kritschmar < charlie.kritsch...@wikimedia.de> wrote: > I also had the stir fry in the breakfast area which I was told

Re: [Wikimania-l] Sad news

Hello - I wouldn't claim to know anything about the specifics of what's happened here but did just want to respond to this: > * On one hand, Romaine *has* to be close to a person he is talking to, > otherwise he is unable to hear them. I know him, he really is. I work in an office where about

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I think we forget the mention of touching, even if its a shoulder. Touching can be very uncomfortable On Fri, 20 Jul 2018 at 12:17, Mykola Kozlenko wrote: > Hi, > > I am very sad to see this happen. I think this is a case when we cannot > gave a win-win implementation of the policy > * On

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Hey all, I am, as always, sorry, that this has spilled out into the public sphere more I do not think that is ever a good thing as discussion of specific situations like this only serves to increase discomfort, make people feel even less safe and make victims of everyone. Event Safety and

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Hi, I am very sad to see this happen. I think this is a case when we cannot gave a win-win implementation of the policy * On one hand, Romaine *has* to be close to a person he is talking to, otherwise he is unable to hear them. I know him, he really is. * On the other hand, in some cultures

Re: [Wikimania-l] Vegan food

I also had the stir fry in the breakfast area which I was told is vegan. and I make myself a salad out of the corn dog sides (corn, mushrooms, spinach and onions) which is tasty as well and can be found behind the poke bowls! On Fri, 20 Jul 2018, 11:59 Ciell Wikipedia, wrote: > There is a tofu

Re: [Wikimania-l] Vegan food

There is a tofu poka bowl in the breakfast room at the ground floor that is vegan, the vegetarian soup on at the lounge is suitable for vegans and the vegetarian rye bread sandwiches (with a thick portabello!) are vegan. Maybe even more, there a A4 sign next to the food on every floor which says

Re: [Wikimania-l] Vegan food

I believe there is some explicitly vegan food on the ground floor in the Riempies restaurant, available during lunch. Or at least there was yesterday. Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos) On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 11:43 AM, Levon Azizian wrote: > Dear organizers, > > Thank you very much for organizing

[Wikimania-l] Vegan food

Dear organizers, Thank you very much for organizing such an amazing Wikimania, much appreciated. The question which I would like to ask, is how to get a Vegan food? I have seen no any information on that matter, no marks, or announcements. I know that there was some kind of chatting on that

Re: [Wikimania-l] Sad news

On 20 July 2018 at 09:23, Lodewijk wrote: > I trust that [...] the Trust & Safety team has the best intentions in > their implementation I note that Romaine does not mention the team in his email, only that there was a "demand" that he stand down; he did not say who made this demand. Indeed,

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Hi all I was disturbed when I read Romaine email. For all what is worth, I would like to outline I trust Romaine meant the best, appreciate his work for the community and the project, including what he has done during the previous wikimanias, am sad he has been removed from the team, and

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It doesnt sound like it was good application of process, I think that this could have been solved simply when the issue was raise with as Romaine has already done explained and apologised his support should have continued. It looks bad as someone who isnt there and knows Romaine that issue is be

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I don't know Romaine personally but with the limited information I have it seems that a small series of incidents have been blown out of proportion. It saddens me that when asking to respect diversity and sensitivities, not all volunteers seem to have the same weight. People taking

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Il giorno ven 20 lug 2018 alle ore 10:23 Lodewijk ha scritto: > As part of this conversation, both here online and offline, I seem to hear > several people who are unhappy with how the policy is implemented. Let us > also recognize that it is important to have a friendly space - and that this

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Hi all, while I have much sympathy for Romaine, and cannot comprehend the decision with the available information, I do want to guard us to continue discussing this further here. We (even Romaine) have only a limited part of the information available to us. I trust that Romaine works with the

Re: [Wikimania-l] Sad news

On 19 July 2018 at 20:30, Romaine Wiki wrote: > - People say I have been talking to loud > Please be aware I have a hearing problem and I do hear myself > Because of these complaints, it was demanded to step down as a volunteer > organiser for this year's Wikimania. As someone with family

Re: [Wikimania-l] Sad news

Dear Romaine, my personal opnion on this: You probably (as most of us) fell victim to today's spreading zeitgeist of taking offence in very small transgressions. This doesn't only concern the so-called "snowflake generation ", but has morphed

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Hi Romaine, hi everybody, it is very painful for me to read this. I have hearing problems myself, so I sometimes speak too loud, I may not hear someone calling me, I may walk around someone to get in a position where I can hear him/her well, etc. These behaviors may look rude, but as a movement

Re: [Wikimania-l] Sad news

KuboF Hromoslav, 20/07/2018 00:03: I am not aware of all details but as I personally know you, you are very helpful and skilled. As we say "only those who do nothing, do no errors". Indeed, or in Italian "chi non fa non sbaglia". I hope in the future Wikimania will be inclusive and able to