Re: [Wikimedia-l] Relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk

2014-01-08 Thread
I have not used it but would like to know more. If WMF employees/contractors are free to sell their services as paid Wikipedia editors on oDesk, I think that a how-to-sell-your-services guide would be helpful so that active unpaid volunteers who are not employees know how to go get some money from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk

2014-01-08 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Odesk is the way the WMF pays people who do not live in the USA. What is expected of a contractor or employee is to register the time worked for the WMF and the contractor is paid through Odesk. This has all kinds of legal reasons. When an employee / contractor wants to use Odesk in addition

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk

2014-01-08 Thread Gryllida
Thought paid editing is prohibited. It could be nice to find ways to enforce that. On Wed, 8 Jan 2014, at 21:50, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, Odesk is the way the WMF pays people who do not live in the USA. What is expected of a contractor or employee is to register the time worked for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk

2014-01-08 Thread Andre Engels
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm wrote: Thought paid editing is prohibited. It could be nice to find ways to enforce that. I don't think it's expressly forbidden, 'frowned upon' would be the words I'd use. Apart from that, I have a feeling this whole thread is a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk

2014-01-08 Thread David Gerard
On 8 January 2014 12:12, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's expressly forbidden, 'frowned upon' would be the words I'd use. Apart from that, I have a feeling this whole thread is a storm in less than a glass of water. Odesk is a system where people can offer or take

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk

2014-01-08 Thread
On 8 January 2014 12:14, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Because it's feed the trolls week, obviously. Here David, have a cookie. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

[Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-08 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hi, Is there any plan to allow using the Thanks feature to thank anonymous Wikimedia users? A Hebrew Wikipedia user asked me about this, saying that it may be even more useful to thank anons than logged-in users. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-08 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On 08.01.2014 15:22, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: Hi, Is there any plan to allow using the Thanks feature to thank anonymous Wikimedia users? A Hebrew Wikipedia user asked me about this, saying that it may be even more useful to thank anons than logged-in users. How would they know someone

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-08 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Something like the new message orange bar :) I guess that designers and Growth people may know an answer, but all thoughts are welcome. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ 2014/1/8

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-08 Thread Nathan
We should thank them for editing using a major banner, a la the fundraiser. I don't know why we do huge fundraising drives but seem to neglect editing drives, even though editing is really the core way for people to donate to Wikimedia. ___ Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-08 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Amir E. Aharoni, 08/01/2014 15:32: Something like the new message orange bar :) Yeah, orange bar be blessed. I guess that designers and Growth people may know an answer, but all thoughts are welcome. As long as the orange bar works (it doesn't on mobile, beware), you can just use a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-08 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Nathan wrote: We should thank them for editing using a major banner, a la the fundraiser. I don't know why we do huge fundraising drives but seem to neglect editing drives, even though editing is really the core way for people to donate to Wikimedia. That would make many editors very annoyed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-08 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Bjoern Hoehrmann derhoe...@gmx.net wrote: * Nathan wrote: We should thank them for editing using a major banner, a la the fundraiser. I don't know why we do huge fundraising drives but seem to neglect editing drives, even though editing is really the core way

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk

2014-01-08 Thread Ting Chen
Hello dear all, I won't impose my standard to other people, I just want to tell you what is the standard I setup for myself, and I will also tell you why. I won't accept payment or gift exceeding a certain amount (means 20 Euro) or search for payment for my volunteer's work that is however

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk

2014-01-08 Thread
+1 to Ting's philosophy. Best WMF trustee ever. ;-) It may be worth illustrating how I might draw the line between my unpaid volunteer work and taking payment for some tasks. To date I have uploaded something like 160,000+ images to Commons and never been paid anything for my time. My work has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk

2014-01-08 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 01/08/2014 02:30 AM, MZMcBride wrote: Can anyone explain the relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk? The short of it: oDesk is indeed roughly the same kind of job board as freelancer.com and its ilk. The foundation is simply a client, and uses it only to pay its contractors and (most of)*

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk

2014-01-08 Thread Chad Horohoe
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 01/08/2014 02:30 AM, MZMcBride wrote: Can anyone explain the relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk? The short of it: oDesk is indeed roughly the same kind of job board as freelancer.com and its ilk. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk

2014-01-08 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 01/08/2014 11:07 AM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: The system itself is a little [suboptimal] It should go without saying (but may be worth clarifying) that this is my personal opinion from having suffered oDesk for a year and not that of the Foundation. :-) -- Marc

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2014 scholarship now accepting application

2014-01-08 Thread Katie Chan
Hi all, Scholarship applications for Wikimania 2014 in London are now being accepted. Applications are open until the end of the day UTC on 17 February. Wikimania 2014 scholarships is an award given to an individual to enable them to attend Wikimania in London from 6-10 August, 2014. Only

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2014 scholarship now accepting application

2014-01-08 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 01/08/2014 12:37 PM, Katie Chan wrote: Only a single type of scholarship will be available from the Wikimedia Foundation for Wikimania 2014. I rather liked the idea of partial scholarships in past years since it would allow more people to attend on the same budget when practical. Can I ask

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2014 scholarship now accepting application

2014-01-08 Thread Katie Chan
On 08/01/2014 17:39, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: On 01/08/2014 12:37 PM, Katie Chan wrote: Only a single type of scholarship will be available from the Wikimedia Foundation for Wikimania 2014. I rather liked the idea of partial scholarships in past years since it would allow more people to attend

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Fwd: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2014 scholarship now accepting application

2014-01-08 Thread Katie Chan
Hi all, Scholarship applications for Wikimania 2014 in London are now being accepted. Applications are open until the end of the day UTC on 17 February. Wikimania 2014 scholarships is an award given to an individual to enable them to attend Wikimania in London from 6-10 August, 2014. Only a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposed bylaws amendment

2014-01-08 Thread Chris Keating
Thanks Alice. For those interested in this, you might like to note that James Hare has started a discussion about the method used to select these Board members, here; - it reflects the likelihood that thematic orgs will be part of the decision not just chapters.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2014 scholarship now accepting application

2014-01-08 Thread Andrew Gray
Note, though, that this is WMF, and presumably doesn't stop the individual chapters offering partial scholarships if they want to... Andrew. On 8 January 2014 17:50, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: On 08/01/2014 17:39, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: On 01/08/2014 12:37 PM, Katie Chan wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2014 scholarship now accepting application

2014-01-08 Thread Risker
On 8 January 2014 12:50, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: On 08/01/2014 17:39, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: On 01/08/2014 12:37 PM, Katie Chan wrote: Only a single type of scholarship will be available from the Wikimedia Foundation for Wikimania 2014. I rather liked the idea of partial

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Israel report for September – November 2013

2014-01-08 Thread Chen Davidi
Hey, Here is Wikimedia Israel report for September – November 2013: Wiki Loves Monuments – On October 15, WLM Israel has finally ended. - 7000 images of nearly 700 heritage sites and 100 artworks that are publicly accessible were uploaded to WikiCommons. - Over 400 people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-08 Thread Andrea Zanni
Agreed. It's nice to feel the community behind Wikipedia (well, when it doesn't bite you) and the feeling that somebody noticed you fixed a typo is even nicer. Aubrey On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Nathan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk

2014-01-08 Thread MZMcBride
Andre Engels wrote: oDesk is a system where people can offer or take jobs. Wikimedia uses it (though in a somewhat different way). How on Earth do those two facts imply oDesk is probably used for paid editing? I'm not sure probably is necessary. The evidence strongly suggests that it _is_ used

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement Sarah Stierch

2014-01-08 Thread Nathan
You know what, I think this outcome is not just disappointing, it's positively astounding. I have a lot that I could say about it, but I can't imagine what the point of saying it could possibly be. Chalk one up for the trolls. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2014-01-08 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: In general, I would personally like it if the WMF avoided accepting bitcoin. Today, bitcoin isn't really a functioning currency of exchange -- it's actually used more as an investment tool to create wealth that

[Wikimedia-l] Paid editing v. paid advocacy (editing)

2014-01-08 Thread MZMcBride
Frank Schulenburg wrote: [...] it is widely known that paid editing is frowned upon by many in the editing community and by the Wikimedia Foundation. No. Paid editing is not the same as paid advocacy (editing). This is a very important point. Suggested reading:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk

2014-01-08 Thread MZMcBride
Marc A. Pelletier wrote: On 01/08/2014 02:30 AM, MZMcBride wrote: Can anyone explain the relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk? The short of it: oDesk is indeed roughly the same kind of job board as freelancer.com and its ilk. The foundation is simply a client, and uses it only to pay its

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing v. paid advocacy (editing)

2014-01-08 Thread Liam Wyatt
Thank you very much for raising this distinction MZ. It's a very important one and, in the recriminations about this particular event, I would hate for the 'baby to get thrown out with the bathwater' by losing this distinction. -Liam / Wittylama wittylama.com Peace, love metadata On 9 January

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2014-01-08 Thread John Vandenberg
Thanks Erik for a well written overview. Would it be possible for the WMF to give an estimate on what it would cost to build and/or what the threshold of annual bitcoin donations would make it worthwhile building. Someone might be interested in donating specifically to have this built, or we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2014-01-08 Thread Matthew Walker
I will probably regret saying this[1] -- but the figure we like to throw around here in fundraising tech is that a new payments gateway [2] is not even worth considering unless it is likely to make us at least 500K USD a year[3]. Or, in the case that it is not an immediate payoff, if it is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2014-01-08 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Matthew Walker mwal...@wikimedia.org wrote: It is a significant undertaking to integrate a new gateway with our current code (think several man months of time related to coding, code review, donor services preparation, and testing; not including contract