[Wikimedia-l] Re: WikiYouthCon Update

2023-04-20 Thread Clover Moss
For people who don't follow the list as often as I do, it's this https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/WTXHJKXSVNF3YERD2WZ5FBS2SXSJ2OOE/ thread I was vaguely remembering. I thought I might've been too old at 20 to actually attend the conference. On

[Wikimedia-l] Re: WikiYouthCon Update

2023-04-20 Thread Clover Moss
This is the same conference as mentioned in the last email awhile ago, right? If it is, I think it's important to mention that the age group is 18 to 35, unless that's changed. As I said at the time, my past self (I was 16 when I started editing) would've been surprised and disappointed that a

[Wikimedia-l] Apply to be part of the GLAM Wiki Conference Program & Scholarship Committee!

2023-04-20 Thread Evelin Heidel
Hello everyone! Are you getting ready for the GLAM Wiki: The Culture, Heritage and Wikimedia Conference? The Conference will take place in Montevideo, Uruguay, in November 16-18, 2023, in the School of Communication & Information Sciences of the University of the Republic of Uruguay. We are

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Odp: Re: [Wikitech-l] Re: Reflecting on my listening tour

2023-04-20 Thread Gnangarra
Hi Michał I'm very much trying to disengage as well but I cant while people continue to twist what I am saying. I will try one last time, the suggestion was made early in this discussion to sack staff in more expensive countries and hire new staff in cheaper countries to do the same job. Such

[Wikimedia-l] Odp: Re: [Wikitech-l] Re: Reflecting on my listening tour

2023-04-20 Thread Michał Buczyński
Hi, I did not want to prolongue this lengthy exchange but since it refuses to stop, and our Australian colleague keeps repeating on moral bankruptcy...  As a CEE person I would like to share a different perspective.Dear Gnangarra, I am pretty sure your messages come from good intentions

[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wikitech-l] Re: Reflecting on my listening tour

2023-04-20 Thread Peter Southwood
And an international organisation hiring more people in a city where employment conditions are so expensive you can’t do the job properly is not? Also no-one was recommending firing the current incumbents, or not that I noticed anyway. Cheers, P From: Gnangarra [mailto:gnanga...@gmail.com]

[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wikitech-l] Re: Reflecting on my listening tour

2023-04-20 Thread Gnangarra
No, what I said was that firing people in one country then hiring some else in another country with the same skills to do the same job just because employment conditions are cheaper is morally bankrupt. With that just hiring from certain countries because its cheapest with the least amount of

[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wikitech-l] Re: Reflecting on my listening tour

2023-04-20 Thread Peter Southwood
So leave them to rot because their standard of living is low and their government is crap? Right. From: Gnangarra [mailto:gnanga...@gmail.com] Sent: 18 April 2023 13:49 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wikitech-l] Re: Reflecting on my listening tour Hiring people

[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wikitech-l] Re: Reflecting on my listening tour

2023-04-20 Thread Peter Southwood
There is nothing stopping an organisation from paying a decent salary and using fair hiring practices even when not legally required to do so, and still getting more bang for their bucks. In what way would that be immoral? Cheers, P From: Gnangarra [mailto:gnanga...@gmail.com] Sent: 18