Re: [Wikimedia-l] [strategy process] Fwd: I decided to leave the working group

2019-04-23 Thread Bobby Shabangu
Hi, 1. Everyone keeps on mentioning the word " money". How much was spent on the strategy thus far by WMF here? I keep on searching for this information I can't find it. 2. I totally agree with Anders Warnnersten 3. I believe Itzik you are doing it the right way, this is the right

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [strategy process] Fwd: I decided to leave the working group

2019-04-06 Thread Itzik - Wikimedia Israel
Hi Philip and all, I debated whether to respond and continue this discussion. Finally, I decided to do it first to apologize. I stand behind my feedback about the process, but I'm afraid it was sent at the wrong time, a few days before the Wikimedia Summit. It wasn't my intention to cause a storm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [strategy process] Fwd: I decided to leave the working group

2019-04-01 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Hi Itzik, I'm sorry you feel this way and would hope you would still feel inclined to provide a critical point of view on the process. I agree with you that we're bad at changing processes that are evidently broken, but don't you think that we are exactly changing this fact by moving on from an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [strategy process] Fwd: I decided to leave the working group

2019-03-28 Thread Kiril Simeonovski
Hi Anders, There is an expression in Macedonian that says „Секое вештачко нешто се распаѓа на природен начин.“ (Every artificial creation breaks down naturally.). This is exactly what is going to happen with this strategy. Best regards, Kiril On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:05 PM Anders Wennersten

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [strategy process] Fwd: I decided to leave the working group

2019-03-28 Thread Chris Keating
Hello, I just want to chime in here. Like Itzik I'm a working group member with a community and chapter background, unlike him I am not resigning :) I certainly identify with many of the frustrations he shares. Everything in the process is slow and that is very frustrating for those of us who

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [strategy process] Fwd: I decided to leave the working group

2019-03-28 Thread Anders Wennersten
There is a Swedish expression "har man tagit fan i båten får man ro honom i land" (If you have taken the devil into your boat you must row him ashore" Independent if this process has been bad or not, I see it is as just some six month left of it. And it is important to do the best of it. It

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [strategy process] Fwd: I decided to leave the working group

2019-03-28 Thread
On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 15:38, Yaroslav Blanter wrote: > > Hello Itzik, > > thanks for sharing this. > > I actually did not want to react, because I presumably sound too critical > on this list in the last couple of years. However, 24h passed, and nobody > reacted, and It would be unfortunate if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [strategy process] Fwd: I decided to leave the working group

2019-03-28 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I subscribe what Yaroslav wrote, line by line. My personal impression is that for the people who are at the onwiki communities, in which I include myself till 2018, this whole Strategy 2030 thing looks indeed like something happening in a distant galaxy, led by people with very little notion of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [strategy process] Fwd: I decided to leave the working group

2019-03-28 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Hello Itzik, thanks for sharing this. I actually did not want to react, because I presumably sound too critical on this list in the last couple of years. However, 24h passed, and nobody reacted, and It would be unfortunate if we let this go. My own experience brought me to the same conclusions,

[Wikimedia-l] [strategy process] Fwd: I decided to leave the working group

2019-03-27 Thread Itzik - Wikimedia Israel
Hi, Two weeks ago I sent this email to my strategy working group (resource allocation). I didn't plan to send a public email, just to share with the rest of the group my reason to leave and just to disappear. I receive feedbacks with many of the group members and also requesting permissions to