Re: [Wikimedia-l] Consultation decision making (was: Board decisions on movement funding and approval issues)

2014-02-14 Thread מאור מלול
מאור מלולmao...@outlook.com Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 21:22:52 +0100 From: nemow...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Consultation decision making (was: Board decisions on movement funding and approval issues) Lodewijk, 11/02/2014 19:36: Maybe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Consultation decision making (was: Board decisions on movement funding and approval issues)

2014-02-13 Thread Michael Peel
Hi all, On 11 Feb 2014, at 17:58, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: I'm very sorry about these decisions. Not only because I disagree with them on the content (although there are one or two aspects I can live with) and because I think this is very bad for the volunteers, but also

[Wikimedia-l] Consultation decision making (was: Board decisions on movement funding and approval issues)

2014-02-11 Thread Lodewijk
Hi, I'm very sorry about these decisions. Not only because I disagree with them on the content (although there are one or two aspects I can live with) and because I think this is very bad for the volunteers, but also because the board returned to a mode where they make decisions without involving

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Consultation decision making (was: Board decisions on movement funding and approval issues)

2014-02-11 Thread
Thanks for this honest critical feedback Lodewijk. It is refreshing to have a straight-forward statement. Most emails from established members of our community being critical about the WMF board or staff seem to feel they need to wrap anything negative in so much cotton wool and glib praise, that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Consultation decision making (was: Board decisions on movement funding and approval issues)

2014-02-11 Thread phoebe ayers
Per Fae, a short response in bullet points: * I'm sorry. I take your criticisms seriously. * How we got to this point, as I see it*: I think the Board felt we had gotten input from AffCom because we saw their responses to the proposal to change to a usergroup-first approval model, which was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Consultation decision making (was: Board decisions on movement funding and approval issues)

2014-02-11 Thread Lodewijk
Hi Phoebe, Thanks for the swift reply. Please note that the proposal sent to AffCom by the staff was /not/ the same proposal considered by the board. The arguments presented with it, were not even close to the ones presented now - it is unrealistic to expect AffCom to be able to provide any

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Consultation decision making (was: Board decisions on movement funding and approval issues)

2014-02-11 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Lodewijk, 11/02/2014 19:36: Maybe the board had a reason to rush through this decision without consultation, but I still haven't heard any satisfying argument for that. To me it seems rather obvious. The board (together with the WMF executives?) is worried about more organisations asking