Re: [Wikimedia-l] Endless drama around solutions to non-problems as misdirection

2014-09-08 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When you talk about respect, it can mean so many things and have different implications. When people argue like the community this and that I do not respect their arguments. The community is often flat wrong and there is no mileage, quite the contrary to respecting the gravitas of someone

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Endless drama around solutions to non-problems as misdirection

2014-09-07 Thread David Goodman
Gerald, are you saying that you personally find the effort involved in editing wikitext or adding media disproportionate , or that there are people who would like to contribute content who find it excessive, but would find it effective with a more intuitive interface? The first I doubt; the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Endless drama around solutions to non-problems as misdirection

2014-09-07 Thread Steven Walling
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 1:54 AM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Steven Walling wrote: ... We practically can't and don't take on initiatives that directly try to provide more free time or money to editors That is absolutely false. Individual Engagement Grants have recently

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Endless drama around solutions to non-problems as misdirection

2014-09-07 Thread Wil Sinclair
The way I see it, there is something each and every one of us can do to help with attrition right now with no interference from or dependencies on anyone else. We can treat each other with the respect that we all deserve. Before hitting send or Save Page, we can ask ourselves if we've said what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Endless drama around solutions to non-problems as misdirection

2014-09-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I hardly ever write a Wikipedia article because there are too many showstoppers as far as I am concerned. The reasons for me are that the policies involved are so overly complicated that I first consult a friend about my plan for an article and its feasibility. The second reason is the large

[Wikimedia-l] Endless drama around solutions to non-problems as misdirection

2014-09-06 Thread James Salsman
Where does the idea that user interface changes to the system which has already produced the most monumental reference work in the history of humanity are going to help with its only actual problem, that people aren't sufficiently inclined to stick around and maintain it? If there was any

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Endless drama around solutions to non-problems as misdirection

2014-09-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The lack of usability that is inherent in the current tools is enough to drive me away from editing Wikipedia. At to this the atmosphere that is all too often just not interested in anything but vested interests and you have a cocktail that is powerful enough to have me respond to your