An executive summary is common at the head of many reports and articles. Only
sections in the body of the article would be cited. Somewhat like a lede but
more detailed. The main body of the article would still have a lede.
Fred Bauder
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This is a long thread, with a somewhat confusing first post. One of
the core ideas I can pull out of it, is along the lines of: "we should
have more dynamically variable content for different audiences/needs".
I.e. For any given topic: Some people want the 10 word version, Some
people want the 2
Hi,
Please, remember the Wikipedia / Wikimedia mission and vision.
Our aim is to be a global movement of free, global, multi-lingual knowledge.
Globally smartphones are already the main and primary device to access the
Internet for the majority of people. Therefore:
(1) We should do
As someone already mentioned earlier in this thread, I believe there is a
concrete structural obstacle in mobile editing, which has to do with the
ability of searching resources, quickly reading books, papers, PDF
articles, a plethora of websites, news, etc, and using them in Wikipedia
articles in
Jonathan Cardy escreveu no dia terça,
1/01/2019 à(s) 09:54:
> Yes the greying of the pedia is a real phenomena, and I am sure that an
> editor survey would confirm that on average we are getting older.
>
At least in the Lusophone world, evidence does not seem to support that
idea of the greying
Samuel Klein escreveu no dia terça, 1/01/2019 à(s)
00:51:
> Dear Kiril, I assume you mean these lovely experiments by Shared Knowledge:
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_from_the_Republic_of_Macedonia
>
> They are lovely, and look like they are now in use. I like specific
>
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בתאריך יום ב׳, 31 בדצמ׳ 2018 ב-10:14 מאת Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net>:
Does the technology exist? Is it available?
How does this splitting make maintenance easier?
Cheers,
I believe much depends on Wikipedia Mobile app. Users are mostly on mobile
now and they feel it natural to do any thing from mobile. If only, creating
articles and adding citations could be done easily through mobile app, can
make a big difference.
On Mon, 31 Dec 2018, 2:22 a.m. David Cuenca
Hoi,
I spend some time formulating my thoughts on the subject. Arguably I am not
a Wikipedian but apart from the necessary changes we must go through, I see
a great future for our work. What I have to say is on my blog [1]. The most
important change is that we need to become less US-American to be
Thanks to Yaroslav who started this interesting conversation, and thanks
for all the comments. I agree with lots of them, but especially this: Happy
Public Domain Day!
On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 7:15 AM Amir E. Aharoni
wrote:
> בתאריך יום א׳, 30 בדצמ׳ 2018, 15:55, מאת Yaroslav Blanter <
>
radar as a risk.
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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2018 22:34:27 +0100
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בתאריך יום ג׳, 1 בינו׳ 2019, 07:37, מאת Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulospern...@gmail.com>:
> Ahh, it would really be a fantastic improvement if we could get rid of all
> that template & category clutter from the articles.
[...]
Let me tell a little
> story: Some months ago I was in a workshop
בתאריך יום א׳, 30 בדצמ׳ 2018, 15:55, מאת Yaroslav Blanter :
>
>
> Re main point: People, let us be serious. We missed mobile editing (well,
> at least this has been identified as a problem, and something is being done
> about it). We missed voice interfaces. We are now missing neural networks.
>
living in pieces,
> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
>
>
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> > Behalf Of Jane Darnell
> > Sent: 30 December 2018 15:42
> > To: Wikimedia
Hi Sj,
The project documentation can be found on Meta and the story was also
featured in the GLAM newsletter twice.
The idea about dedicated environment either as a separate wiki or as part
of the incubator for testing novelties is sound, and it would be
interesting to see how that will work in
With respect to complexity of language, we have some data in publication,
looking at the the leads of English medical articles over time. Good news
is that they have improved over the last 10 years from a reading level of
close to "grade 16" to just under "grade 13". This has been a concerted
Dear Kiril, I assume you mean these lovely experiments by Shared Knowledge:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_from_the_Republic_of_Macedonia
They are lovely, and look like they are now in use. I like specific
examples like these; was there any description of the project
iling List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?
>
> Well it is not difficult to imagine when you consider for example line
> items in the case of list articles. Many lists could be split into such
> line items and kept in a static assembled form by s
P.S. I can give you a very nice example of this happening in practice from
my personal experience. Few years ago, we produced high-quality videos
documenting physics and chemistry experiments that had to be added to
related articles. The project was welcomed by some chapters, mostly
despised by
Hi Paulo,
I agree that more or less we know what activities are intended for new and
what for experienced users. The challenging part is to make a sensible
decision on whether to reach out to new users using the visual editor and
the translation tool or to continue with the old-fashioned code
Kiril Simeonovski escreveu no dia segunda,
31/12/2018 à(s) 10:05:
> some innovations. The problem with expanding an unchanged and obsolete
> infrastructure to underrepresented groups might result to no avail and
> further incentivise a major shift, thus doubling the cost invested in
>
> > Peter
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> > Behalf Of Jane Darnell
> > Sent: 30 December 2018 15:42
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of W
Yaroslav Blanter escreveu no dia domingo, 30/12/2018
à(s) 13:55:
> Re milennials: this is clearly not a red herring. Just ask Facebook what
> their demographics is and why the 18- generation is not using it.
>
Stats show that Galinha Pintadinha was one of the most viewed articles in
2018 at
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> Behalf Of Jane Darnell
> Sent: 31 December 2018 10:41
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?
>
> 1) Not that I know of, 2) not that I know of, 3) fewer it
Dec 31, 2018 at 9:57 AM Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> I would see more items to watchlist, as in place of one large item you
> would have all the components to worry about.
> I don't follow the easier to de-orphanise aspect.
> Also don’t see how having to hav
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> Behalf Of Jane Darnell
> Sent: 30 December 2018 15:42
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> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?
>
> Well it is not difficult to imagine when you consider for example line
> item
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Jane Darnell
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1) Not that I know of, 2) not that I know of, 3) fewer items to watchlist
gt;> Several recent developments relate to this situation which I think you
>>>>> have described reasonably well.
>>>>> Short descriptions help a bit. But they are too short to help much
>>>>> Simple Wikipedia tries to keep things simple and easily underst
: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?
Well it is not difficult to imagine when you consider for example line
items in the case of list articles. Many lists could be split into such
line items and kept in a static assembled form by some sort of "assembly
template". Many of
Answering the initial question: It depends on how you understand "death".
Wikipedia is the manifestation of a collection of algorithms running in the
minds of thousands of people. With time it could become less popular to run
that algorithm in your life, or you would like to try a different one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_of_the_end_of_Wikipedia
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Thanks for the reactions so far, they have been very useful. Let me answer
some of the points.
Re subject line: Obviously it is deliberately provocative to generate more
response and reach out to more people. Whereas what I write I do seriously,
if it stays a discussion of a dozen of people with
>That's exactly the point here! Maybe not everyone is like that, but
the pattern is supported by studies. The question is: how do we
support (or, how do we make Wikipedia relevant for) this category?
But it's not supported by rigorous evidence, a few studies and a bunch of
clickbait headlines
Well it is not difficult to imagine when you consider for example line
items in the case of list articles. Many lists could be split into such
line items and kept in a static assembled form by some sort of "assembly
template". Many of these line items are either articles or parts of
articles. Such
În dum., 30 dec. 2018 la 12:40, Zubin JAIN
a scris:
> These are gross generalizations
That's exactly the point here! Maybe not everyone is like that, but
the pattern is supported by studies. The question is: how do we
support (or, how do we make Wikipedia relevant for) this category?
> The idea
e top of a desktop view, and possibly the primary target in
mobile.
This would not be needed for all articles.
Cheers,
Peter Southwood
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Behalf Of Yaroslav Blanter
Sent: 29 December 2018 23:34
To: Wi
On Sat, 29 Dec 2018 at 21:35, Yaroslav Blanter wrote:
> I have written a long text today (posted in my FB)
Facebook, is that still a thing? Gah, whatever is being posted there,
many of us Wikipedians are never going to see it. It would be nice to
see more people writing decent essays as blog
] On Behalf Of
Jane Darnell
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I still believe we need to "explode Wikipedia", by which I mean split
curation templates, categories, lists and all othe
ut
> >>> perhaps concentrates too much on a small vocabulary.
> >>> I do see a real need and a use for a "Readers Digest" or "executive
> >>> summary" version of long and complex articles for people who don’t have a
> >>> need for the f
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I have written a long text today (posted in my FB) which the rea
> >
> > -Original Message-----
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> > Behalf Of Yaroslav Blanter
> > Sent: 29 December 2018 23:34
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and possibly the primary target in mobile.
> This would not be needed for all articles.
> Cheers,
> Peter Southwood
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Yaroslav Blanter
> Sent: 29 December 2018 23:3
y the primary target in mobile. This would not be
needed for all articles.
Cheers,
Peter Southwood
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Yaroslav Blanter
Sent: 29 December 2018 23:34
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikim
Yaroslav Blanter wrote in part:
>This is a paradigm shift. Currently, the editors generally consider that
>it is good to have long Wikipedia articles - because long means more
>complete. Sometimes there are even proposals (fortunately isolated and
>without followup) to delete all short articles
You paint the problem as being about us adapting to changing
demographics. I'm not so sure--if only because the notion of
attention-impaired millennials appears to be one of those
self-propagating ideas whose supposed statistical support turns out to
be fabricated.[1][2] If the concern is about
A it's always nice to quote someone other than Mike Godwin and it seems
Betteridge's law of headlines is alive and well. [1]
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines
On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:26 PM Yaroslav Blanter wrote:
> Hi Frederick.
>
> sure, I know. I am
Hi Frederick.
sure, I know. I am mostly writing about Russia, and I know there are a lot
of topics which are not covered. I am usually the first one who says that
there are many topics to even start an article on, and way more to improve.
But let us face it - if an English-speaking person looks
> However, as a general guideline, it is not so
> much incorrect to state that all important things in Wikipedia have been
> already written. Indeed, if someone looks for information in Wikipedia -
> or, more precisely, uses search engines and gets Wikipedia as the first
hit
> they are likely to
I have written a long text today (posted in my FB) which the readers of
this mailing list might find interesting. I copy it below. I understand
that it is very easy to critisize me for side issues, but if you want to
comment/reply I would appreciate if you address the main issue. The target
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