[Wikimedia-l] Re: Invitation to join the Movement Strategy Forum

2022-08-23 Thread Steven Mantz
The MS forums are highly beneficial and already include extensive discussions from a wide variety of contributors. So clearly the MS Forums are highly worthwhile to be retained as an active resource.-- Sent from gmail ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list --

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Invitation to join the Movement Strategy Forum

2022-08-23 Thread Quim Gil
Alright, thank you for the additional feedback. To wrap up this discussion, I'll list the homework we are taking from this discussion. We will post our updates about this homework on the report talk page on Meta

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Invitation to join the Movement Strategy Forum

2022-08-23 Thread Željko Blaće
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:15 AM Gergő Tisza wrote: > On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 8:22 AM Samuel Klein wrote: > >> + Automatic translation of discussions is essential, tangibly useful for >> our communities, and very satisfying. >> --> how can we bring this to Mediawiki? This is a core question

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Invitation to join the Movement Strategy Forum

2022-08-22 Thread Gergő Tisza
On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 8:22 AM Samuel Klein wrote: > + Automatic translation of discussions is essential, tangibly useful for > our communities, and very satisfying. > --> how can we bring this to Mediawiki? This is a core question for > community health, movement development, and tech. It

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Invitation to join the Movement Strategy Forum

2022-08-22 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
3 of them members of the WMF. I don't know how to measure impact. I know that this is not a good metric in any way. Cheers, Galder From: Asaf Bartov Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 4:49 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Invitation to join t

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Invitation to join the Movement Strategy Forum

2022-08-21 Thread Asaf Bartov
On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 4:43 AM Gnangarra wrote: > Percentages look good, and show some comparison but the reality is the > actual raw number say just as much when meta has 4600 and formun has less > than 200 and without staff less than 150 its not exactly a like for like > engagement. > "Meta

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Invitation to join the Movement Strategy Forum

2022-08-21 Thread Samuel Klein
Quim, thanks for sharing. This feels like a project where going part-way and stopping could make things more confusing, but seriously embracing the challenge of integrating the strengths of discourse and wikis, and ensuring the result helps streamline and integrate and improve communication,

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Invitation to join the Movement Strategy Forum

2022-08-21 Thread Mike Peel
On 21/8/22 00:17:59, Quim Gil wrote: Given that this Forum is especially conceived to better support those who can't or won't use Meta for discussions and collaboration, we don't think a Meta RFC would be the right tool for this task. I think this is a good example of the problem here.

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Invitation to join the Movement Strategy Forum

2022-08-21 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Dear Quim and all, On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 12:18 AM Quim Gil wrote: > Hi, > > If anyone finds the report > > biased, it would be helpful to share the excerpts or the absences that > prove this bias. We are happy

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Invitation to join the Movement Strategy Forum

2022-08-20 Thread Gnangarra
Percentages look good, and show some comparison but the reality is the actual raw number say just as much when meta has 4600 and formun has less than 200 and without staff less than 150 its not exactly a like for like engagement. By the end of the survey majority are those who are getting heard

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Invitation to join the Movement Strategy Forum

2022-08-20 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 11:08 AM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < galder...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > I agree with Mike's viewpoint: the report seems to be prewritten, and not > based on actual discussions about the forum. > Please provide excerpts of the report that make you think this.

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Invitation to join the Movement Strategy Forum

2022-08-20 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, If anyone finds the report biased, it would be helpful to share the excerpts or the absences that prove this bias. We are happy to amend any mistakes, but for that we need to identify them. Also, it would be

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Invitation to join the Movement Strategy Forum

2022-08-20 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Dear all, It's unfortunate that this has to be said, but: – A community review report should be written by the community, not the WMF. – The idea of democracy is not that the government should elect a new people. Regards, Andreas On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 5:02 PM Quim Gil wrote: > Hello

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Invitation to join the Movement Strategy Forum

2022-08-20 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
is thriving is just saying the opposite. If possible, I would like to have some clarifications on this data. Thanks Galder From: Mike Peel Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 7:56 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Invitation to join the Movement

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Invitation to join the Movement Strategy Forum

2022-08-19 Thread Mike Peel
Hi, With respect, I think you have a big selection effect in your report. I guess you're getting most of your positive comments directly on your new forum, and you're matching them against your initial viewpoint, rather than being unbiased? If you look at comments on-wiki, they seem to be