[Wikimedia-l] Re: UCoC Phase 2 Ratification Results Announcement

2022-04-11 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Maggie, As you correctly noted, I lost a verb there. What I meant to say was: "How can they be prevented from inserting erroneous material without causing them to doubt their own perceptions etc. in a way that they may well – in good faith – *feel* is malicious?" We have this all the time:

[Wikimedia-l] Re: UCoC Phase 2 Ratification Results Announcement

2022-04-11 Thread Maggie Dennis
I have been working on the UCoC about as long as anybody, if not as intensely as some. Hence, I have some confidence in saying that it is the Foundation's role to shepherd the Movement Strategy recommendation to reality in creating a baseline of behavioral standards that are movement-wide. *I*

[Wikimedia-l] Re: UCoC Phase 2 Ratification Results Announcement

2022-04-11 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Dear Maggie, Could I ask you for help with a couple of things: 1. The UCoC states that "sharing information concerning other contributors' Wikimedia activity outside the projects" is harassment. Is it really the WMF's intention to prohibit public discussions of controversial editing? To give

[Wikimedia-l] Re: UCoC Phase 2 Ratification Results Announcement

2022-04-11 Thread Maggie Dennis
Let me clarify a few points. - The vote was intended to surface what concerns might exist more broadly in the international communities, not all of whom engage in Meta discussions. Staff were neither asked to convince people to vote for the enforcement guidelines as written nor even

[Wikimedia-l] Re: UCoC Phase 2 Ratification Results Announcement

2022-04-11 Thread Yair Rand
Our conduct policies were carefully crafted by hundreds of brilliant people over the course of twenty years, building upon endless experience and detailed discussions that could fill books upon books. The UCoC Project ... seems to be built to supersede all that we've built in this area, with an

[Wikimedia-l] Re: UCoC Phase 2 Ratification Results Announcement

2022-04-07 Thread Samuel Klein
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 1:25 AM Željko Blaće wrote: > On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:34 AM effe iets anders > wrote: > >> >> (sidenote: the fact that this announcement is being made by a WMF staff >> member probably means that this process is less community driven than I >> thought. ) >> For a

[Wikimedia-l] Re: UCoC Phase 2 Ratification Results Announcement

2022-04-05 Thread Željko Blaće
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:34 AM effe iets anders wrote: > Thank you Stella, > Thank you Lodewijk for voicing a critical perspective. Hope you do not mind me adding a few points inline. > Thank you for sharing, I'm looking forward to an evaluation of how this > vote was executed, so that we can

[Wikimedia-l] Re: UCoC Phase 2 Ratification Results Announcement

2022-04-05 Thread effe iets anders
Thank you Stella, Thank you for sharing, I'm looking forward to an evaluation of how this vote was executed, so that we can use these methods for more topics/decisions in a constructive way. I'm pleased to see how the process has seen various types of community engagement, and this seems a good