Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

en:wp has a vast collective of policies, guidelines and essays to navigate. Where once we had a philosophy "if the rule get in the way of making an enncyclopedia ignore the rules" now with so much of what we do the rules have become absolute. Acknwoledging BLLP, COI, and copyright need to be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

Hi John, I agree that millions of people choose to spend time on Facebook, as well as games and other recreational activities like computer games. My guess is that, for most people, these activities often don't feel like work, while contributing to Wikimedia often feels like work. I think that

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Hoi, Yes, there are many rules. Yes, they have arisen because of the need felt by some. It is totally obvious that these rules are created with the "best intentions". Given the state of play these rules are not analysed for their effect particularly not for their side effects. The rules and the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

I wonder if some of the problem is that we have made a mash-up of policies and guidelines on the same pages, thereby making it very hard for newcomers to figure out what they must know and all the stuff that is simply nice to know. Take a look at Verifiability at enwiki. [1] How much of this is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

> > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 21:42:32 +0800 > > From: Zubin JAIN <jain16...@gapps.uwcsea.edu.sg> > > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ? > > Message-ID: > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

Fair comment Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pine W Sent: 11 March 2018 06:56 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ? Hi Zubin, I'd like to respond

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

Hi Zubin, I'd like to respond to this in multiple ways. 1. Yes, there are lots of rules and guidelines with varying degrees of clarity and authority. This seems to me to be an understandable outcome of a bottom-up process for developing many of Wikipedia's rules and guidelines. I think that many

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

Hi Zubin, > As a rare newcomer to the Wikimedia project, I've been thinking of some of > the factors that seem to discourage me from contributing and one of the > primary ones seem to be the fact that the way the administration is > organized and rules enforced is often vague and unclear. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

hi Zubin, thanks for being a newcomer to Wikimedia, and also for your interest in the issue of bureaucracy. I think you're right that it is something worth analyzing. A chapter of my "Common Knowledge? An Ethnography of Wikipedia" (2014, Stanford University Press) was dedicated to studying the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 2:16 AM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote: > The discussions about declining editor levels started to go quiet in mid > 2015 after we noticed that numbers had started to rally at the end of 2014. > The numbers for English Wikipedia, you mean. For the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

ly helps when you are changing something to understand the different perspectives that lead to that compromise. WereSpielChequers -- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 21:42:32 +0800 From: Zubin JAIN <jain16...@gapps.uwcsea.edu.sg> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

; Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 21:42:32 +0800 > From: Zubin JAIN <jain16...@gapps.uwcsea.edu.sg> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ? > Message-ID: >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

Hi Zubin, not that I know of. Cheers Yaroslav On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 2:42 PM, Zubin JAIN wrote: > Hello, > As a rare newcomer to the Wikimedia project, I've been thinking of some of > the factors that seem to discourage me from contributing and one of the >

[Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

Hello, As a rare newcomer to the Wikimedia project, I've been thinking of some of the factors that seem to discourage me from contributing and one of the primary ones seem to be the fact that the way the administration is organized and rules enforced is often vague and unclear. The definition and