Re: [Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

2017-02-04 Thread Anna Stillwell
“Rogol”, Now that you’ve told me on another thread that “Rogol” is a fictitious name, I feel that I’ve entered a world of international intrigue. Lord knows my Saturday could use the excitement. Sometimes it may take some time before I can respond. They keep me fairly busy here. On Fri, Jan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

2017-01-27 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Anna I propose to challenge your comments "t’s not even about whose at fault anymore, because we all are. When I talk to people across the movement, they're all pretty clear that someone other than themselves is the responsible party" There is a difference between fault, responsibility and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

2017-01-27 Thread Milos Rancic
Anna, you are talking about a decade old problems, which are not yet addressed. There are two exceptions: (1) Board largely stopped making shame transfer statements; and (2) For the last couple of years, every interaction with the staff has given impression to me that I deal with competent

Re: [Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

2017-01-27 Thread Anders Wennersten
Anna, I am surprised at your pessimism I see cases over and over again how we "find a way to turn our culture toward more generative and constructive forms of public discourse" See how our Armenian friends is doing wonders turning their closest surrounding into being open in a very tough

Re: [Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

2017-01-27 Thread Anna Stillwell
Hello, I'd like to talk beyond this particular instance or these particular protagonists. I'd like to talk about culture. We've created a culture that is hard on people, somewhat punishing of them. We engage in a good deal of public shaming. We need to find a way to turn our culture toward more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

2017-01-27 Thread James Salsman
Fred, > Whatever the earliest editors did has long been superseded by > liberal bias. "Classically" liberal, as in libertarian trickle-down economics, have been strongly reinforced including recently. Have you seen the cadre of editors who protect their walled gardens of Mises Institute-sourced

Re: [Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

2017-01-27 Thread Samuel Klein
LopeCosby used to be xx legit before their Soylent Green period. Not surprised their depressed fans would turn to petty counterfactualism. //$ On Jan 27, 2017 2:08 PM, "Liam Wyatt" wrote: > What a coincidence! "longstanding, pervasive, counter-factual, systemic > bias

Re: [Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

2017-01-27 Thread Liam Wyatt
What a coincidence! "longstanding, pervasive, counter-factual, systemic bias towards supply side trickle-down austerity libertarian objectivist economics" was the name of the band I saw last week at the local pub. They weren't very good though - I liked their earlier stuff. On Fri, 27 Jan 2017

Re: [Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

2017-01-27 Thread FRED BAUDER
Whatever the earliest editors did has long been superseded by liberal bias. (It was nearly impossible to insert even neutral information about Hillary Clinton into her article) It is important to stay in the US unless you wish to experience what lack of an enforced constitutional guarantee of

[Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

2017-01-27 Thread James Salsman
Does anyone doubt that the English Wikipedia's longstanding, pervasive, counter-factual, systemic bias towards supply side trickle-down austerity libertarian objectivist economics due at least in part to early influence of editors attracted to Jimmy Wales' former public positions isn't at least