Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ethics of launching Wikidata, vs. ethics of WMF plans for Wikidata

2016-02-13 Thread David Goodman
People keep mentioning VIAF in the context. VIAF is a federated service, using the content of its various repositories--and is therefore no more accurate than they are. For example, a major component in VIAF is the Library of Congress Authority File. That file has always used author or publisher

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ethics of launching Wikidata, vs. ethics of WMF plans for Wikidata

2016-02-13 Thread Cristian Consonni
Hi Andreas, 2016-01-26 13:17 GMT+01:00 Andreas Kolbe : > In my opinion, Wikidata's CC-0 licence undermines that, because it allows > re-users to cut the chain between the end user and the data's original > source. If I understand, you are concerned about verifiability of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ethics of launching Wikidata, vs. ethics of WMF plans for Wikidata

2016-01-26 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Jan 26, 2016 5:24 AM, "Magnus Manske" wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:33 AM Pete Forsyth wrote: > > If you have even minimum indications of "evil" WMF plans for Wikidata, > please share them! Saying "I know nothing about their plans,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ethics of launching Wikidata, vs. ethics of WMF plans for Wikidata

2016-01-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You write about your fear, uncertainty and doubt .. Why have us waste time on it? Do something useful. Thanks, GerardM On 26 January 2016 at 11:33, Pete Forsyth wrote: > On Jan 26, 2016 5:24 AM, "Magnus Manske" > wrote: > > > > On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ethics of launching Wikidata, vs. ethics of WMF plans for Wikidata

2016-01-26 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Pete, On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:33 AM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > Andreas Kolbe has argued in multiple threads that Wikidata is fundamentally > problematic, on the basis that it does not require citations. (Please > correct me if I am mistaken about this core premise.) I've

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ethics of launching Wikidata, vs. ethics of WMF plans for Wikidata

2016-01-26 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Jan 26, 2016 3:22 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" wrote: > Thanks for the FUD. "Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt" are not the precise words I would choose, but they fairly adequately describe how I feel about the WMF these days. Of course, as a bit of jargon, FUD typically

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ethics of launching Wikidata, vs. ethics of WMF plans for Wikidata

2016-01-26 Thread Magnus Manske
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:33 AM Pete Forsyth wrote: > (Note: I'm creating a new thread which references several old ones; in the > most recent, "Profile of Magnus Manske," the conversation has drifted back > to Wikidata, so that subject line is no longer applicable.) > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ethics of launching Wikidata, vs. ethics of WMF plans for Wikidata

2016-01-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Thanks for the FUD. You mention that the Wikimedia Foundation has plans. Really.. There are plans that are published and there has been time for you to consider them. They are the ones that the WMF has published, they are the only ones that exist as far as I know and I follow Wikidata

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ethics of launching Wikidata, vs. ethics of WMF plans for Wikidata

2016-01-26 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > You write about your fear, uncertainty and doubt .. Why have us waste time > on it? Do something useful. > Thanks, > I, for one, think that the mail Pete sent (both in content and tone) is perfectly fine and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ethics of launching Wikidata, vs. ethics of WMF plans for Wikidata

2016-01-26 Thread Liam Wyatt
On 26 January 2016 at 11:24, Magnus Manske wrote: > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:33 AM Pete Forsyth > wrote: > > > (Note: I'm creating a new thread which references several old ones; in > the > > most recent, "Profile of Magnus Manske," the