Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-06-02 Thread Nathan
Does AffCom report on the status or disposition of applications for affiliation? Is there a grid of pending applications, prior applications and outcomes (with explanations, if negative)? That would be a handy way of increasing transparency for this process for both participants and community

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-06-02 Thread Bence Damokos
Hi Nathan, There is a shortish overview at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Reports/2012#State_of_affiliates . In general, we very rarely reject applications outright publicly -- more often than not, an application will run until we have worked with the group to the point

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-31 Thread Bence Damokos
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Samuel Klein s...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Also, somewhat unfortunately in my view, there is a requirement for user groups is to have a history of projects, which was not further defined

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-31 Thread Leigh Thelmadatter
are still outside the system? From: bdamo...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 14:17:13 +0200 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Samuel Klein s...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2014

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-31 Thread Risker
I'm still stuck on bylaws. Why is AffCom asking for bylaws? Risker ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-31 Thread Bence Damokos
On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still stuck on bylaws. Why is AffCom asking for bylaws? Depends on the context. We do review them, or at least try to, whenever a group (chapter, user group, thematic organisation) decides to have them, in order to make

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-31 Thread Bence Damokos
On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 12:17 AM, Leigh Thelmadatter osama...@hotmail.com wrote: Obviously, having more user groups would be great, but we do not currently know how many are not being created due to the process. It is entirely possible, that the creation of active user groups (without

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-30 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Also, somewhat unfortunately in my view, there is a requirement for user groups is to have a history of projects, which was not further defined but in theory makes it impossible to form a user group before there has been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-30 Thread Leigh Thelmadatter
Compare the process of forming a Meetup group. There are basic standards of behavior and usage -- applied via review after the fact, soft-security style -- and measures of activity. But as soon as you finish filling out a form describing your group, it has been created + is visible online + has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-30 Thread Nathan
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Leigh Thelmadatter osama...@hotmail.com wrote: Wiki Borregos has been operating in this manner for some time. See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Borregos_CCM_Student_User_Group We originally put our info as a student club, but when it became obvious that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-30 Thread Leigh Thelmadatter
Borregos means rams the mascot of the Tec de Monterrey. Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 16:17:49 -0400 From: nawr...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Leigh Thelmadatter osama

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Alice Wiegand
Good news, Greg! This is a great initiative which can provide a lot of support especially for younger affiliations. I'm curious how it will be accepted and what's the kind of support affiliations ask for. Please keep us in the loop. Alice. On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Gregory Varnum

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Chris Keating
Thanks AffComm - it is great to see this moving forward. I have added this info to the Organisational Development page on Meta; http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Organisational_development Chris On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, Based

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Sydney Poore
Thank you AffCom committee members for taking on this important new role. I'll be very interested to see the type and amount of support that affiliates find useful. It will make for extra work but I hope you can document the work you all do with affiliates and publish the information. Sydney

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Leigh Thelmadatter
From: sydney.po...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons Thank you AffCom committee members for taking on this important new role. I'll be very interested to see the type and amount of support that affiliates find

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Gregory Varnum
in limbo with no indication of how and when they will be resolved. Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 08:36:09 -0400 From: sydney.po...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons Thank you AffCom committee members for taking

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Samuel Klein
Quick question: The ultimate goal is for the user group recognition process to be shortened to a few weeks. When the user group model was proposed, the idea was that this should take no more than 15 minutes. What currently takes time? Sam ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Bence Damokos
Hi Sam, If all the steps could happen at the same time, and decisions were made by a single person, then the process could indeed be done in 30 minutes under ideal circumstances (a person being 24/7 online, and all information being available at the time of application). However, currently there

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Nathan
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sam, If all the steps could happen at the same time, and decisions were made by a single person, then the process could indeed be done in 30 minutes under ideal circumstances (a person being 24/7 online, and all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Sam Klein
Thanks, Bence and Greg. I appreciate all of the thought going into this. Can you describe the groups that might have been problematic as UGs? I think both becoming and stopping to be a UG should be a simple process. It looks like the main steps are a) appointing a liaison b) having some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Bence Damokos
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sam, If all the steps could happen at the same time, and decisions were made by a single person, then the process could indeed be done in 30

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Gregory Varnum
We are moving toward a process that involves 1-2 people primarily and then a full vote by the committee (which right now procedurally takes one week). From my perspective, the delays are often related to confusion over the process, or failure to actually initiate things with AffCom. We have about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Leigh Thelmadatter
@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sam, If all the steps could happen at the same time, and decisions

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Gregory Varnum
SJ, Aside from the questions being on Meta (which they soon will), and the one-person authority - this is very close to the process we are working from now. Bence describes it a bit more, but basically a request comes in, someone is assigned it, we ask them some questions, if that person feels

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Gregory Varnum
As Leigh and people who follow this list and others know, the Wiki Borregos application has more complications. I do not think rehashing that on this public list is the best way to resolve that. Leigh, we are discussing it actively now, and you are welcome to email us for an update. You are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Leigh Thelmadatter
: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons As Leigh and people who follow this list and others know, the Wiki Borregos application has more complications. I do not think rehashing that on this public list is the best way to resolve that. Leigh, we are discussing it actively now

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Carlos M. Colina
Hi Sam, El 29/05/2014 10:18 p.m., Sam Klein escribió: Thanks, Bence and Greg. I appreciate all of the thought going into this. Can you describe the groups that might have been problematic as UGs? I think both becoming and stopping to be a UG should be a simple process. It looks like the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Bence Damokos
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Sam Klein sjkl...@hcs.harvard.edu wrote: Thanks, Bence and Greg. I appreciate all of the thought going into this. Can you describe the groups that might have been problematic as UGs? I think both becoming and stopping to be a UG should be a simple process.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Bence Damokos
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Sam Klein sjkl...@hcs.harvard.edu wrote: Thanks, Bence and Greg. I appreciate all of the thought going into this. Can you describe the groups that might have been problematic as UGs?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Carlos M. Colina
from you in months. This seems to work a lot faster. Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 15:28:49 -0400 From: gregory.var...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons As Leigh and people who follow this list and others know, the Wiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Leigh Thelmadatter
OK so then why no action, no communication until I write something here? Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 22:52:40 +0300 From: ma...@wikimedia.org.ve To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons Hi Leigh, As Greg just said it, we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Kevin Gorman
of that including the board members for a year now. This is the first bit of information Ive had from you in months. This seems to work a lot faster. Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 15:28:49 -0400 From: gregory.var...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Bence Damokos
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote: other active GAC members given the relatively low bar required for UG status - we'll be paying way more attention at the details of the grant and the applicant(s) than on whether they have AffCom recognition. I'd

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Bence Damokos
:52:40 +0300 From: ma...@wikimedia.org.ve To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons Hi Leigh, As Greg just said it, we are all aware that your application has more complications. We are doing the best we can to speed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Leigh Thelmadatter
Wonderful! I look forward to hearing something in the next weeks. From: bdamo...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 00:18:02 +0200 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons Hi Leigh, Actually, we were discussing your group's