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[Wikimedia-l] FDC Letter of Intent process and schedule for 2013-14

2013-04-18 Thread Patricio Lorente

Dear friends and colleagues,

We want to share with you information about the Letter of Intent process
and the FDC schedule for next year (July 2013 - June 2014). As you may
remember, the *Letter of Intent (LoI)* is the first step towards applying
for funds from the FDC, as discussed in the FDC framework [1]. This was not
part of the first year's process, but is meant to be an integral part of
the FDC calendar from this next round (Round 1, 2013-14) onwards. *The
Letter of Intent asks all entities who intend to apply for Round 1 (or
Round 2) to formally state their intention to do so.* In addition, the LoI
now asks applying entities to include a notional dollar figure (or local
currency figure) in the Letter of Intent. Applying entities will be able to
update this amount in their final FDC proposals. The updated Letter of
Intent template will be available on the FDC portal [2] by May 1, but the
sample is here for reference [3].

With the Letter of Intent, the FDC staff can support applying entities in
their proposal process well before the deadline for proposals. We hope this
will remove some of the challenges faced by applicants in the first year of
the FDC process. The FDC can also plan better with a clear understanding of
who intends to apply, and an estimation of the funds requested.

The FDC framework originally stated that the deadlines for the LoI were
June 1 for Round 1 and November 1 for Round 2. However, we are pushing back
the deadline *by one week*, since the community review period was also
extended by two weeks. *The LOI deadline will now be June 8 for Round 1,
and November 8 for Round 2. *

For your reference, here is the updated 2013-2014 Round 1 proposal process
schedule:


   - *Letter of Intent deadline for Round 1: 8 June 2013*
   - Deadline for WMF Staff to post eligibility: 15 July 2013
   - Deadline for entities to meet eligibility requirements: 15 September
   2013
   - Proposal submission deadline: 1 October 2013
   - Community review period: 1 October - 31 October 2013
   - Staff assessment deadline: 8 November 2013
   - FDC recommendation due: 1 December 2013
   - Board decision due: 1 January 2014


The schedule for the 2013-14 Round 2 proposal process:

   - *Letter of Intent deadline for Round 1: 8 November 2013*
   - Deadline for WMF Staff to post eligibility: 15 December 2013
   - Deadline for entities to meet eligibility requirements: 15 February
   2014
   - Proposal submission deadline: 1 March 2014
   - Community review period: 1 March - 31 March 2014
   - Staff assessment deadline: 8 April 2014
   - FDC recommendation due: 1 May 2014
   - Board decision due: 1 June 2014


It is our hope that the Letter of Intent process will help in planning for
both the entities and the FDC, and ensure that the FDC and FDC staff are
supporting the applying entities significantly ahead of the proposal
deadlines.

As always, do not hesitate to let us or the FDC support staff (
fdcsupp...@wikimedia.org) know if you have any questions or concerns about
this important process.

Warm regards,
Patricio and Jan-Bart
(Board representatives to the FDC)

[1]
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Framework_for_the_Creation_and_Initial_Operation_of_the_FDC#Process_overview
[2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Sample_letter_of_intent


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour with WMF researchers

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf


Le 2013-04-17 21:11, ENWP Pine a écrit :

Hi everyone,

We'll meet on IRC in #wikimedia-office on April 22 at 1800 UTC. 
Please join us.


I won't be able to join, but I wish I was able to do so. Did you use a 
shedule software such as [1] to organize this event? If not, please 
consider using one in the future.


[1] http://framadate.org/index.php?lang=en_GB Note that this website is 
powered by a free software, so Wikimedia may install its own instance if 
needed.


Kind regards,
mathieu

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New design for the list info page?

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf


Le 2013-04-17 23:33, Deryck Chan a écrit :

You mean, there is a cabal-l? How I wish I was invited! ;-)


Of course not: there's no cabal my friend. ;)



On 17 April 2013 21:30, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com 
wrote:



Hi all,

Last week I noticed a nice design for the list info page of the 
WLM-US

mailing list that I tweaked for this mailing list:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/cabal-l

What do you think? Mentally replace all instance of cabal-l with
wikimedia-l and compare to
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l. 
Unfortunately
Mailman only seems to allow this change to be made for the English 
version
of the page, so if you try to view the page in another language, 
you'll

still get the standard list info page.

Any objections to changing it?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC Letter of Intent process and schedule for 2013-14

2013-04-18 Thread Milos Rancic

It would be very useful to express the current state of the FDC in emails
like this one -- at the top of email.

For a couple of months I was mislead that FDC is actually working and that
Wikimedia entities should do a kind of action toward FDC if they want to
get funds.

Contrary to that, just if emails like this one have been carefully read,
one can conclude that all of them present lists of non-binding wishes for
informational purpose, although it's explicitly stated that Wikimedia
entities should do an action.

Wikimedians will treat FDC as seriously as its members treat their own
work. So, at least, please take care about the accuracy of your language to
avoid misleading Wikimedians reading your emails.
On Apr 18, 2013 9:01 AM, Patricio Lorente patricio.lore...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Dear friends and colleagues,

 We want to share with you information about the Letter of Intent process
 and the FDC schedule for next year (July 2013 - June 2014). As you may
 remember, the *Letter of Intent (LoI)* is the first step towards applying
 for funds from the FDC, as discussed in the FDC framework [1]. This was not
 part of the first year's process, but is meant to be an integral part of
 the FDC calendar from this next round (Round 1, 2013-14) onwards. *The
 Letter of Intent asks all entities who intend to apply for Round 1 (or
 Round 2) to formally state their intention to do so.* In addition, the LoI
 now asks applying entities to include a notional dollar figure (or local
 currency figure) in the Letter of Intent. Applying entities will be able to
 update this amount in their final FDC proposals. The updated Letter of
 Intent template will be available on the FDC portal [2] by May 1, but the
 sample is here for reference [3].

 With the Letter of Intent, the FDC staff can support applying entities in
 their proposal process well before the deadline for proposals. We hope this
 will remove some of the challenges faced by applicants in the first year of
 the FDC process. The FDC can also plan better with a clear understanding of
 who intends to apply, and an estimation of the funds requested.

 The FDC framework originally stated that the deadlines for the LoI were
 June 1 for Round 1 and November 1 for Round 2. However, we are pushing back
 the deadline *by one week*, since the community review period was also
 extended by two weeks. *The LOI deadline will now be June 8 for Round 1,
 and November 8 for Round 2. *

 For your reference, here is the updated 2013-2014 Round 1 proposal process
 schedule:


- *Letter of Intent deadline for Round 1: 8 June 2013*
- Deadline for WMF Staff to post eligibility: 15 July 2013
- Deadline for entities to meet eligibility requirements: 15 September
2013
- Proposal submission deadline: 1 October 2013
- Community review period: 1 October - 31 October 2013
- Staff assessment deadline: 8 November 2013
- FDC recommendation due: 1 December 2013
- Board decision due: 1 January 2014


 The schedule for the 2013-14 Round 2 proposal process:

- *Letter of Intent deadline for Round 1: 8 November 2013*
- Deadline for WMF Staff to post eligibility: 15 December 2013
- Deadline for entities to meet eligibility requirements: 15 February
2014
- Proposal submission deadline: 1 March 2014
- Community review period: 1 March - 31 March 2014
- Staff assessment deadline: 8 April 2014
- FDC recommendation due: 1 May 2014
- Board decision due: 1 June 2014


 It is our hope that the Letter of Intent process will help in planning for
 both the entities and the FDC, and ensure that the FDC and FDC staff are
 supporting the applying entities significantly ahead of the proposal
 deadlines.

 As always, do not hesitate to let us or the FDC support staff (
 fdcsupp...@wikimedia.org) know if you have any questions or concerns about
 this important process.

 Warm regards,
 Patricio and Jan-Bart
 (Board representatives to the FDC)

 [1]

 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Framework_for_the_Creation_and_Initial_Operation_of_the_FDC#Process_overview
 [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal
 [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Sample_letter_of_intent


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf


Le 2013-04-18 04:28, billinghurst a écrit :
I am wondering why there is no tweet this page capability through 
the
WMF sites?  It is so widely available through the web, and here is a 
range

of sites that would be a prime place to do it, and NADA, no capacity.

Even if we had it for something like https://blog.wikimedia.org/  
would be
a good place to start.  Howwever, the ability to easily tweet about a 
book

at Wikisource, an article at one of the WPs all sound like marvellous
things to easily do.

Regards, Billinghurst


I didn't read the tweeter EULA, as I don't use it. Does it feet our 
general policy[1]? If no, as one may easily expect, then you have a 
definitive answer to your why not.




[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_policy

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Chapters] Wikimedia Conference 2013 Milan : Visa Issues

2013-04-18 Thread Manuel Schneider

Dear all, especially those interested in the WCA Meeting not being in 
Milan today:


The videoconferencing is now up and running, click this link to join:

http://videoconf.wikimedia.ch/bigbluebutton/create.jsp?action=invitemeetingID=2013-04-18+WCA

All you need is a browser with flash plugin and a headset.
See the agenda of the meeting here:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Meetings/2013-16

I hope it is running well, Wifi is very unstable and one need to 
manually adjust the MTU to make it work properly.



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC Letter of Intent process and schedule for 2013-14

2013-04-18 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede

Hey Milos,

I am sorry I don't understand the remarks completely… can you tell me a little 
bit more about what you are referring to?

Jan-Bart

On Apr 18, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:

 It would be very useful to express the current state of the FDC in emails
 like this one -- at the top of email.
 
 For a couple of months I was mislead that FDC is actually working and that
 Wikimedia entities should do a kind of action toward FDC if they want to
 get funds.
 
 Contrary to that, just if emails like this one have been carefully read,
 one can conclude that all of them present lists of non-binding wishes for
 informational purpose, although it's explicitly stated that Wikimedia
 entities should do an action.
 
 Wikimedians will treat FDC as seriously as its members treat their own
 work. So, at least, please take care about the accuracy of your language to
 avoid misleading Wikimedians reading your emails.
 On Apr 18, 2013 9:01 AM, Patricio Lorente patricio.lore...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Dear friends and colleagues,
 
 We want to share with you information about the Letter of Intent process
 and the FDC schedule for next year (July 2013 - June 2014). As you may
 remember, the *Letter of Intent (LoI)* is the first step towards applying
 for funds from the FDC, as discussed in the FDC framework [1]. This was not
 part of the first year's process, but is meant to be an integral part of
 the FDC calendar from this next round (Round 1, 2013-14) onwards. *The
 Letter of Intent asks all entities who intend to apply for Round 1 (or
 Round 2) to formally state their intention to do so.* In addition, the LoI
 now asks applying entities to include a notional dollar figure (or local
 currency figure) in the Letter of Intent. Applying entities will be able to
 update this amount in their final FDC proposals. The updated Letter of
 Intent template will be available on the FDC portal [2] by May 1, but the
 sample is here for reference [3].
 
 With the Letter of Intent, the FDC staff can support applying entities in
 their proposal process well before the deadline for proposals. We hope this
 will remove some of the challenges faced by applicants in the first year of
 the FDC process. The FDC can also plan better with a clear understanding of
 who intends to apply, and an estimation of the funds requested.
 
 The FDC framework originally stated that the deadlines for the LoI were
 June 1 for Round 1 and November 1 for Round 2. However, we are pushing back
 the deadline *by one week*, since the community review period was also
 extended by two weeks. *The LOI deadline will now be June 8 for Round 1,
 and November 8 for Round 2. *
 
 For your reference, here is the updated 2013-2014 Round 1 proposal process
 schedule:
 
 
   - *Letter of Intent deadline for Round 1: 8 June 2013*
   - Deadline for WMF Staff to post eligibility: 15 July 2013
   - Deadline for entities to meet eligibility requirements: 15 September
   2013
   - Proposal submission deadline: 1 October 2013
   - Community review period: 1 October - 31 October 2013
   - Staff assessment deadline: 8 November 2013
   - FDC recommendation due: 1 December 2013
   - Board decision due: 1 January 2014
 
 
 The schedule for the 2013-14 Round 2 proposal process:
 
   - *Letter of Intent deadline for Round 1: 8 November 2013*
   - Deadline for WMF Staff to post eligibility: 15 December 2013
   - Deadline for entities to meet eligibility requirements: 15 February
   2014
   - Proposal submission deadline: 1 March 2014
   - Community review period: 1 March - 31 March 2014
   - Staff assessment deadline: 8 April 2014
   - FDC recommendation due: 1 May 2014
   - Board decision due: 1 June 2014
 
 
 It is our hope that the Letter of Intent process will help in planning for
 both the entities and the FDC, and ensure that the FDC and FDC staff are
 supporting the applying entities significantly ahead of the proposal
 deadlines.
 
 As always, do not hesitate to let us or the FDC support staff (
 fdcsupp...@wikimedia.org) know if you have any questions or concerns about
 this important process.
 
 Warm regards,
 Patricio and Jan-Bart
 (Board representatives to the FDC)
 
 [1]
 
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Framework_for_the_Creation_and_Initial_Operation_of_the_FDC#Process_overview
 [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal
 [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Sample_letter_of_intent
 
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread David Gerard

On 18 April 2013 10:27, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote:

 I didn't read the tweeter EULA, as I don't use it. Does it feet our general
 policy[1]? If no, as one may easily expect, then you have a definitive
 answer to your why not.


You could tweet from a button without WMF sending data to Twitter, so
that's not a problem.


- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Stevie Benton

[Speaking personally, not from WMUK]

I like the idea of sharing buttons, as long as they aren't too prominent.
Wikipedia was a social medium before the term was really in widespread use.
I think it also shows that our audience is important. Aren't we ultimately
about sharing?

Stevie


On 18 April 2013 10:37, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 18 April 2013 10:27, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org
 wrote:

  I didn't read the tweeter EULA, as I don't use it. Does it feet our
 general
  policy[1]? If no, as one may easily expect, then you have a definitive
  answer to your why not.


 You could tweet from a button without WMF sending data to Twitter, so
 that's not a problem.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf


Le 2013-04-18 05:00, James Alexander a écrit :

I tend to think that they can be incredibly useful and reader
friendly. I've always found it a bit disappointing we don't have it 
as

they are probably the bigger reader request I've ever seen.


Please provide metrics and numbers. You know how our personal 
impressions are biased with our personal interets. And you also know  
how metrics, while not providing absolute truth, assuage our biases.



That said
I know that enWiki has had multiple discussions about it ending in
failure. The issues mostly seem to stem from the we're not MySpace
crowd which I think misses the point that we both are a social
network and that we're an educational site (and should encourage
sharing that information) but sigh.


Then you may promote wikisocial if you like. I'm not sure it would be 
manageable to come with a solution responding to both social network 
features and privacy concerns.



However! That doesn't stop other projects from doing it and I would
love to see those that do. Wikinews has ha their social bookmarks
template for a while now and we adapted it for the fundraiser a while
ago on WMF wiki as well as a very nice version for the anti SOPA
protests.. I don't have the links handy but can get them at home and 
I

think the best thing to do would be to search through the history
because they've gone through a couple variations. There is a bug on
bugzilla as well to add the meta information required for a more
useful Facebook share (and I think G+) which also is unlikely to be
that big of a problem.


Not talking about the privacy dilema, Wikipedia must remain neutral 
which mean whether providing more **internal** social network features 
(the coming Echo extension may provide some of them) or providing 
nothing. But in my humble opinion, including some third party 
dependances is a not an option if we want to stay neutral. Argumentum ad 
populum[1] is not receivable.


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum


The only thing to keep in mind is that we occasionally need
creativity. The default way that most sites tell you to share is
often problematic for our privacy policy because it either has a
script call to the home sight on page load or requires an iframe
(Facebook likes I'm looking at you). That said they all have options
that can work for us they are just a bit more hidden.


There's no such thing as the only thing to keep in mind. We sure want 
more engaged editors, and creativity surely is welcome. But we have 
other constraints which are not less important, and we can't afford to 
forget it.



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf


Le 2013-04-18 05:05, Sarah Stierch a écrit :
But, I'm also a regular Twitter user and I see boosts in viewership 
for
anything I post on my Twitter and Facebook. So sick of anti-social 
media
Wikipedia. People love to deny we are a social network, when most of 
us
involved in the community know that isn't true. A lot of my friends 
and so
forth come from the Wikipedia world. If that isn't social media, then 
I

don't know what is.


Before you go any further, you should come with a more precise 
definition of what you call a social media. You may say Internet is a 
social media, so anything within it share this property.




Teahouse


Excuse me but I had never heard about Teahouse before. I suppose you 
are talking about[1].


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Chapters] Wikimedia Conference 2013 Milan : Visa Issues

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf


Le 2013-04-18 11:27, Manuel Schneider a écrit :

Dear all, especially those interested in the WCA Meeting not being in
Milan today:

The videoconferencing is now up and running, click this link to join:


http://videoconf.wikimedia.ch/bigbluebutton/create.jsp?action=invitemeetingID=2013-04-18+WCA

All you need is a browser with flash plugin and a headset.
See the agenda of the meeting here:


http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Meetings/2013-16

I hope it is running well, Wifi is very unstable and one need to
manually adjust the MTU to make it work properly.


/Manuel


Could you also you use an etherpad (with at least one person dedicated 
to transcript)? Text is ubiquitous, easily archivable, seekable, and so 
on. As far as I'm concerned, on my current desktop the videoconf page 
only display a blank page.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Tom Morris

On Thursday, 18 April 2013 at 04:05, Sarah Stierch wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 8:00 PM, James Alexander
 jalexan...@wikimedia.org (mailto:jalexan...@wikimedia.org)wrote:
 
  I tend to think that they can be incredibly useful and reader friendly.
  I've always found it a bit disappointing we don't have it as they are
  probably the bigger reader request I've ever seen. That said I know that
  enWiki has had multiple discussions about it ending in failure. The issues
  mostly seem to stem from the we're not MySpace crowd which I think misses
  the point that we both are a social network and that we're an educational
  site (and should encourage sharing that information) but sigh.
 
 
 
 I agree. Readers ask a lot about it, and so do new editors. I think it's so
 lame. Then again, people said the same about the Teahouse (NOTFACEBOOK). I
 wonder if we did a test for it what people would think.
 
 Talk abou reach - we'd be getting more people to read articles and content,
 which means potentially more people editing.
 
 But, I'm also a regular Twitter user and I see boosts in viewership for
 anything I post on my Twitter and Facebook. So sick of anti-social media
 Wikipedia. People love to deny we are a social network, when most of us
 involved in the community know that isn't true. A lot of my friends and so
 forth come from the Wikipedia world. If that isn't social media, then I
 don't know what is.


The problem I have is that we lose some independence by doing this. Five years 
ago, we'd be all about putting MySpace links all over Wikipedia. Today, it'd be 
Twitter and FB. The services we include will be something we'll constantly be 
debating. Some hip new startup gets going and we'll have to have a long debate 
as to whether to add them.

Then if we decided to include, say, Google Plus but not include some other 
service, we get accused of favouring Google because we're supposedly in cahoots 
with them in destroying copyright, stabbing babies, bringing on the 
infoapocalypse and all that. Or we choose services that are only used by 
Westerners. Or we include every damn service and we end up with those horrible 
palettes of 2000 different social services. We implicitly waste the time of 
people who don't use social sharing services or who, say, are trying to 
undermine the social services by building their own. [1]

Browsers already come with a social media sharing service: it's called 
copy'n'paste. It doesn't infringe your privacy, it supports all services, 
allows easy reformatting, 

[1] http://indiewebcamp.com/ Come join in and free yourself from the social 
media silos! ;-) 

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf


Le 2013-04-18 11:37, David Gerard a écrit :
On 18 April 2013 10:27, Mathieu Stumpf 
psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote:


I didn't read the tweeter EULA, as I don't use it. Does it feet our 
general
policy[1]? If no, as one may easily expect, then you have a 
definitive

answer to your why not.



You could tweet from a button without WMF sending data to Twitter, so
that's not a problem.


I don't understand what you mean, sorry. Do you mean publish a short 
message on a talk page of a WMF project? If so, I can't see the 
difference with what you can already do. If you mean publish something 
on tweeter while browsing a WMF project, I can't see the point. I'm sure 
most users know they can have more than one tab/window at a time. If the 
point is to gather relevant information on a specific page elsewhere 
than the talk page, then to my mind it's a really bad idea.



Those said, I don't use Twitter in the first place, so I really have no 
idea what kind of gap you would like to fill with your feature.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Chapters] Wikimedia Conference 2013 Milan : Visa Issues

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf


Le 2013-04-18 12:41, Mathieu Stumpf a écrit :

Le 2013-04-18 11:27, Manuel Schneider a écrit :
Dear all, especially those interested in the WCA Meeting not being 
in

Milan today:

The videoconferencing is now up and running, click this link to 
join:



http://videoconf.wikimedia.ch/bigbluebutton/create.jsp?action=invitemeetingID=2013-04-18+WCA

All you need is a browser with flash plugin and a headset.
See the agenda of the meeting here:


http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Meetings/2013-16

I hope it is running well, Wifi is very unstable and one need to
manually adjust the MTU to make it work properly.


/Manuel


Could you also you use an etherpad (with at least one person
dedicated to transcript)? Text is ubiquitous, easily archivable,
seekable, and so on. As far as I'm concerned, on my current desktop
the videoconf page only display a blank page.



Sorry, I replied before reading the meta page where a link to the 
etherpad is given.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Thomas Morton

 If you mean publish something on tweeter while browsing a WMF project, I
 can't see the point. I'm sure most users know they can have more than one
 tab/window at a time.


Weren't you asking for evidence to back up similar assertions a minute ago?
:D


 Those said, I don't use Twitter in the first place, so I really have no
 idea what kind of gap you would like to fill with your feature.


*rolls eyes*

Sorry, I don't mean to be snippy but this discussion always frustrates me.
It's the sort of elitest tech snobbery (anti-social-networks, lack of
understanding of how 90% of the world use the web, etc.) we suffer from.

Of course sharing buttons would be wonderful for our readers - that is the
whole point of the internet, facilitating the building of the web of links!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread David Gerard

On 18 April 2013 13:04, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote:

 To my mind, it's not just about sharing, it's about sharing knowledge in a
 form which is as neutral as we can achieve to produce. If you stop to
 sharing, then you may just as well let free to share advertisments
 invade wikipedia.


I don't see how that's a sensible analogy at all.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Stevie Benton

[Speaking personally, not from WMUK]

Not sure how advertisements came in to the discussion, it's totally
different. If we agree we want to share the sum total of all human
knowledge, then it makes sense that we make it as easy to share that
knowledge as possible. Having small, discreet buttons that allow one / two
click sharing removes some of the barriers that may exist. Just my
opinion, of course.

Stevie

On 18 April 2013 13:04, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.orgwrote:

Le 2013-04-18 11:43, Stevie Benton a écrit :

[Speaking personally, not from WMUK]

I like the idea of sharing buttons, as long as they aren't too prominent.
Wikipedia was a social medium before the term was really in widespread
use.
I think it also shows that our audience is important. Aren't we ultimately
about sharing?

Stevie

To my mind, it's not just about sharing, it's about sharing knowledge in a
form which is as neutral as we can achieve to produce. If you stop to
sharing, then you may just as well let free to share advertisments
invade wikipedia.

On 18 April 2013 10:37, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

On 18 April 2013 10:27, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org**
wrote:

I didn't read the tweeter EULA, as I don't use it. Does it feet our
general
policy[1]? If no, as one may easily expect, then you have a definitive
answer to your why not.

You could tweet from a button without WMF sending data to Twitter, so
that's not a problem.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC Letter of Intent process and schedule for 2013-14

2013-04-18 Thread Milos Rancic

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Jan-Bart de Vreede
jdevre...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 I am sorry I don't understand the remarks completely… can you tell me a 
 little bit more about what you are referring to?

As not particularly interested in the topic, I read the first
paragraph or two of the emails related to FDC, hoping that it's enough
to be generally informed. This time I read the whole email.

The first paragraph uses present tense, which means that things are
definitely defined.

Just fourth paragraph says that it's about *proposed* process schedule
(which could be changed if there are [really] good reasons).

So, if it's about something which has been proposed, which is not in
power already, notice at the top of the email like *** The
information inside of this email is proposal. Conclusion of the
process is schedule for date. ***, as well as noting that inside of
the subject could be very useful for those (including myself) who are
not particularly interested in the matter.

In other words, if I am an active member of an affiliate organization
and see this email before the first coffee, I'd alert my colleagues
and likely cause a small level of panic. Note that the first date of
the schedule has been put in less than two months, which is quite
tight for some chapters (those which operate in large area and require
board members to gather in person).

So, while not a big deal per se, not marking such emails properly
could cause unnecessary tension.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf


Le 2013-04-18 12:54, Thomas Morton a écrit :
If you mean publish something on tweeter while browsing a WMF 
project, I
can't see the point. I'm sure most users know they can have more 
than one

tab/window at a time.



Weren't you asking for evidence to back up similar assertions a 
minute ago?

:D


You are right, I will try to make research on the subject, Measuring 
Tabbed Browsing seems to provide some (hopefuly) meaningful results. 
Thus said, here I'm not trying to convince you that most browser users 
know how to use tabs and windows. I am asking you what would be the gap 
it would fill as I am unable to find it by myself.



Those said, I don't use Twitter in the first place, so I really have 
no

idea what kind of gap you would like to fill with your feature.



*rolls eyes*

Sorry, I don't mean to be snippy but this discussion always 
frustrates me.

It's the sort of elitest tech snobbery (anti-social-networks, lack of
understanding of how 90% of the world use the web, etc.) we suffer 
from.


All appologies, while I for sure have a tech background, I didn't meant 
to sound elitist. On the contrary, I'm asking you to explain me what is 
the obvious need that you hope to fill with such a feature and that 
couldn't be achieved within Wikimedia, espcecialy with the coming Echo 
extension.


Discussing is a great way to discover how hard it is to agree on 
obvious things because our representation of the world is an 
idiosyncrasy.






Of course sharing buttons would be wonderful for our readers - that 
is the
whole point of the internet, facilitating the building of the web of 
links!


Sure, but I just don't understand what prevent you from building links 
within Mediawiki.



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf


Le 2013-04-18 13:11, David Gerard a écrit :
On 18 April 2013 11:51, Mathieu Stumpf 
psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote:


Those said, I don't use Twitter in the first place, so I really have 
no idea

what kind of gap you would like to fill with your feature.



Your entire objection appears to be I personally don't want to do
this, therefore your request is stupid. This is somewhat obnoxious.


Sorry, I don't know if it's my rhetoric skills which are so bad or 
those which are answering me that are particularly inclined to interpret 
my text in such a obnoxious manner, but I'm sure that I didn't mean 
something like I personally don't want to do this, therefore your 
request is stupid., nor even thougt such a rude thing.


My objection would be more something like I'm afraid that this kind of 
actions could threaten some general policies of the Wikimedia movement, 
policies that promote human values that I share.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf

Le 2013-04-18 14:11, Stevie Benton a écrit :

[Speaking personally, not from WMUK]

click sharing removes some of the barriers that may exist. Just my
opinion, of course.

Stevie

I really don't understand what's the supposed barriers, you can save
the whole page to send it, copy/paste the whole page, send the direct
URL. What the use case where current possibilities would prevent one to
share this knowledge?

On 18 April 2013 13:04, Mathieu Stumpf
psychosl...@culture-libre.orgwrote:

Le 2013-04-18 11:43, Stevie Benton a écrit :

[Speaking personally, not from WMUK]

I like the idea of sharing buttons, as long as they aren't too
prominent.
Wikipedia was a social medium before the term was really in
widespread

use.
I think it also shows that our audience is important. Aren't we
ultimately

about sharing?

Stevie

To my mind, it's not just about sharing, it's about sharing
knowledge in a
form which is as neutral as we can achieve to produce. If you stop
to
sharing, then you may just as well let free to share
advertisments

invade wikipedia.

On 18 April 2013 10:37, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

On 18 April 2013 10:27, Mathieu Stumpf
psychosl...@culture-libre.org**

wrote:

I didn't read the tweeter EULA, as I don't use it. Does it feet
our

general
policy[1]? If no, as one may easily expect, then you have a
definitive

answer to your why not.

You could tweet from a button without WMF sending data to Twitter,
so

that's not a problem.

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[Wikimedia-l] Agenda for FDC next week

2013-04-18 Thread Anders Wennersten

From Sunday 20th through to Wednesday 24th FDC will meet in Milan, 
primarily to deliberate upon the proposals for round 2. As there are 
fewer proposal this time we will also spend time on discussing learnings 
from last round in order to improve the process for further Rounds


We also have a special session on Sunday 10-13 for all interested 
chapter representatives to meet all FDC and together discuss common 
learnings from Round 1. There is also two sessions in the Chapters 
conference  on Sat 10.30 and 16.30 for more general information and 
discussion of FDC (and for the first one also of the grants processes).  
The chapters conference schedule can be found at 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2013/Schedule


A link to our own agenda for the coming days and links to the proposal 
up in this round can be found at 
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/FDC_members/Current_round.


Anders
Secretary of FDC

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Thehelpfulone

On Thursday, April 18, 2013, Mathieu Stumpf wrote:

 My objection would be more something like I'm afraid that this kind of
 actions could threaten some general policies of the Wikimedia movement,
 policies that promote human values that I share.


 Which policies would those be?


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread billinghurst

On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:28:54 +1000, billinghurst billinghu...@gmail.com
wrote:
 I am wondering why there is no tweet this page capability through the
 WMF sites?  It is so widely available through the web, and here is a
range
 of sites that would be a prime place to do it, and NADA, no capacity.
 
 Even if we had it for something like https://blog.wikimedia.org/  would
be
 a good place to start.  However, the ability to easily tweet about a
book
 at Wikisource, an article at one of the WPs all sound like marvellous
 things to easily do.
 
 Regards, Billinghurst

Hmm, a whole lot of personal preference has been shared.

For the good folks who solely have a wikipedia focus, neutrality, etc. ...
open your minds as WMF is bigger than Wikipedia!  WMF is bigger than each
of our personal biases and approaches. It is for all of us, not just the
flavour that we individually want.  This place is full of people, which
makes it a social site, but definitely not its primary purpose, that said,
its complete and utter purpose is to share and to share with people, a
clear social activity.  We are NOT an archive, and a tweet is just one way
to share a piece of information.

There was an excellent article last year (somewhere on the web) about a
researcher who tweeted and otherwise engaged in social media forums about
her scientific research and she had empirical data with regard to far great
activity and interaction with her research from that approach; rather than
the research just sitting in a electronic database where people had to go
and dig, or didn't!

In my initial post I mentioned two places of perceived use, specifically
the blog, and Wikisource. Though I can see that wiktionary, wikiquote and
commons are all great candidates to be able to tweet something.  And yes
there are privacy concerns, though one would expect that the users are
already those who have accounts, and then it becomes about eyes-wide open
(explanations).  I also think that there are enough privacy experts around
who can assist to minimise adverse consequences.

Thanks Tilman for your answer, that will be great, and addresses my
primary question with a solution.  And to James A for his explanations of
some of the existing aspects.

I am not advocating that we look to all social media forms, or that we
have a careless approach.  It may be gadgets, it may be things that people
can turn on and off. Not exactly certain, I just know that like sharing
newspaper articles, that I wanted to share a blog post.

Regards, Andrew

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread David Gerard

On 18 April 2013 13:49, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thursday, April 18, 2013, Mathieu Stumpf wrote:

 My objection would be more something like I'm afraid that this kind of
 actions could threaten some general policies of the Wikimedia movement,
 policies that promote human values that I share.

  Which policies would those be?


So far, it's apparently a gateway to advertising.

Mathieu, I'm not a huge advocate of Twitter buttons, and I think the
neutrality objection (do we favour a few services, or have 2000
buttons?) is a serious problem. But your arguments so far have been
absolutely terrible.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Thomas Morton

Or, you could click a button.

Why is making something easy a problem?

And more to the point; a very large number of people would become confused
with the processes you're describing. You are somewhere in the top 0.1% of
technically literate persons!! So judging what is possible or not based on
your own skills/abilities introduces a critical bias.

A lack of neutrality, if you will :)

Tom

On 18 April 2013 13:46, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.orgwrote:

Le 2013-04-18 14:11, Stevie Benton a écrit :

[Speaking personally, not from WMUK]

Stevie

I really don't understand what's the supposed barriers, you can save the
whole page to send it, copy/paste the whole page, send the direct URL. What
the use case where current possibilities would prevent one to share this
knowledge?

On 18 April 2013 13:04, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org**
wrote:

Le 2013-04-18 11:43, Stevie Benton a écrit :

[Speaking personally, not from WMUK]

I like the idea of sharing buttons, as long as they aren't too
prominent.
Wikipedia was a social medium before the term was really in widespread
use.
I think it also shows that our audience is important. Aren't we
ultimately
about sharing?

Stevie

To my mind, it's not just about sharing, it's about sharing knowledge in
a
form which is as neutral as we can achieve to produce. If you stop to
sharing, then you may just as well let free to share advertisments
invade wikipedia.

On 18 April 2013 10:37, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

On 18 April 2013 10:27, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org*
***

wrote:

I didn't read the tweeter EULA, as I don't use it. Does it feet our
general
policy[1]? If no, as one may easily expect, then you have a
definitive
answer to your why not.

You could tweet from a button without WMF sending data to Twitter, so
that's not a problem.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Stevie Benton

I really don't understand what's the supposed barriers, you can save the
whole page to send it, copy/paste the whole page, send the direct URL. What
the use case where current possibilities would prevent one to share this
knowledge?

By barriers, I mean anything that may dissuade users from taking an action
- in this case, sharing content. The fewer clicks / less time it takes to
share content, the more likely users (especially casual users) are to take
the required action. Worth noting in supplement here that a vast number of
users of Wikimedia projects are neither Wikipedians or dedicated readers.
They are casual visitors who may just be looking for a quick piece of
information or the answer to a specific question.

I hope this helps - and I think this is a useful discussion to have :)

Stevie

On 18 April 2013 13:46, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.orgwrote:

Le 2013-04-18 14:11, Stevie Benton a écrit :

[Speaking personally, not from WMUK]

Stevie

I really don't understand what's the supposed barriers, you can save the
whole page to send it, copy/paste the whole page, send the direct URL. What
the use case where current possibilities would prevent one to share this
knowledge?

On 18 April 2013 13:04, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org**
wrote:

Le 2013-04-18 11:43, Stevie Benton a écrit :

[Speaking personally, not from WMUK]

I like the idea of sharing buttons, as long as they aren't too
prominent.
Wikipedia was a social medium before the term was really in widespread
use.
I think it also shows that our audience is important. Aren't we
ultimately
about sharing?

Stevie

To my mind, it's not just about sharing, it's about sharing knowledge in
a
form which is as neutral as we can achieve to produce. If you stop to
sharing, then you may just as well let free to share advertisments
invade wikipedia.

On 18 April 2013 10:37, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

On 18 April 2013 10:27, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org*
***

wrote:

I didn't read the tweeter EULA, as I don't use it. Does it feet our
general
policy[1]? If no, as one may easily expect, then you have a
definitive
answer to your why not.

You could tweet from a button without WMF sending data to Twitter, so
that's not a problem.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC Letter of Intent process and schedule for 2013-14

2013-04-18 Thread Patricio Lorente

Hi Milos!

I think you should read again the original email. The word proposed is
never used there. The fourth paragraph says:

For your reference, here is the updated 2013-2014 Round 1 proposal process
schedule:, refering to the process schedule for actual proposals.

Perhaps you understood:

For your reference, here is the updated 2013-2014 Round 1 proposed process
schedule:, which means a completely different thing. The email was not
intended to send a proposal, but an already fixed calendar, which, by the
way, should not create panic on anyone because the deadlines are in fact
being extended.

I hope is clearer now.

Patricio


2013/4/18 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com

 On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Jan-Bart de Vreede
 jdevre...@wikimedia.org wrote:
  I am sorry I don't understand the remarks completely… can you tell me a
 little bit more about what you are referring to?

 As not particularly interested in the topic, I read the first
 paragraph or two of the emails related to FDC, hoping that it's enough
 to be generally informed. This time I read the whole email.

 The first paragraph uses present tense, which means that things are
 definitely defined.

 Just fourth paragraph says that it's about *proposed* process schedule
 (which could be changed if there are [really] good reasons).

 So, if it's about something which has been proposed, which is not in
 power already, notice at the top of the email like *** The
 information inside of this email is proposal. Conclusion of the
 process is schedule for date. ***, as well as noting that inside of
 the subject could be very useful for those (including myself) who are
 not particularly interested in the matter.

 In other words, if I am an active member of an affiliate organization
 and see this email before the first coffee, I'd alert my colleagues
 and likely cause a small level of panic. Note that the first date of
 the schedule has been put in less than two months, which is quite
 tight for some chapters (those which operate in large area and require
 board members to gather in person).

 So, while not a big deal per se, not marking such emails properly
 could cause unnecessary tension.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Katie Chan


On 18/04/2013 13:51, David Gerard wrote:


So far, it's apparently a gateway to advertising.

Mathieu, I'm not a huge advocate of Twitter buttons, and I think the
neutrality objection (do we favour a few services, or have 2000
buttons?) is a serious problem. But your arguments so far have been
absolutely terrible.




We already selectively choose which outside service we display when a 
user click on say an ISBN number or geoip. Doing likewise for share 
buttons wouldn't be something new


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[Wikimedia-l] Request for comment — Activity levels of advanc ed administrative rights holders

2013-04-18 Thread billinghurst

A notification to the broader community of the Wikimedia Foundation.

I have recently posted a request for comment at meta
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Activity_levels_of_advanced_administrative_rights_holders

The purpose of the discussion is to determine a model guideline for use of
all Wikimedia Foundation public wikis to determine minimum expected
activity of advanced administrative rights holders, and a process to remove
rights where there has been an exceptional duration of inactivity.

Your questions and comments are most welcome.

Regards, Billinghurst
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC Letter of Intent process and schedule for 2013-14

2013-04-18 Thread Milos Rancic

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Patricio Lorente
patricio.lore...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think you should read again the original email. The word proposed is
 never used there. The fourth paragraph says:

 For your reference, here is the updated 2013-2014 Round 1 proposal process
 schedule:, refering to the process schedule for actual proposals.

 Perhaps you understood:

 For your reference, here is the updated 2013-2014 Round 1 proposed process
 schedule:, which means a completely different thing. The email was not
 intended to send a proposal, but an already fixed calendar, which, by the
 way, should not create panic on anyone because the deadlines are in fact
 being extended.

 I hope is clearer now.

True, my bad. Thanks for clarification!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf


Le 2013-04-18 14:42, Thomas Morton a écrit :
 Those said, I don't use Twitter in the first place, so I really 
have no

idea what kind of gap you would like to fill with your feature.


 *rolls eyes*


Sorry, I don't mean to be snippy but this discussion always 
frustrates me.
It's the sort of elitest tech snobbery (anti-social-networks, lack 
of
understanding of how 90% of the world use the web, etc.) we suffer 
from.




All appologies, while I for sure have a tech background, I didn't 
meant to
sound elitist. On the contrary, I'm asking you to explain me what is 
the
obvious need that you hope to fill with such a feature and that 
couldn't be

achieved within Wikimedia,



What would it achieve? Well, people share content all over the web to 
their
network; Facebook, Twitter, Google, LinkedIn, etc. Facilitating this 
is
obvious The reason it hasn't happened yet is that the editing 
community

seems generally politically against the idea of social networks, so
anything relating to them is evil! ;)


Ok, but what I don't understand is what prevent them to share links to 
Wikimedia projects?


Why should be only be building and sharing content within Wikimedia? 
The
vast majority of the consumers of the site could not care one thing 
about
within Wikimedia, and that is fine. Foisting it upon them is the 
poor

approach :D


I agree. However if people are intending to give feed back on the page, 
especialy feedback which would be useful to improve it, I think it would 
be far better to keep this comments within the Wikimedia echosystem.




espcecialy with the coming Echo extension.



I'm not sure how the Echo extension is relevant to sharing Wikipedia
content as widely as possible. It's an internal notification system. 
:S I'd

be *very *disappointed to see us build a system for sharing content
internally (which is what you appear to be advocating), that is not 
our

purpose (to be a social network).


Ok, it seems to me that I am really misunderstanding what you are 
talking about.



See above; are you really suggesting that no one should be sharing 
content

outside of Mediawiki?? ;)


Of course not, it looks like I just don't understand what are the 
barriers that seems to annoy you.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Thomas Morton

On 18 April 2013 14:39, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.orgwrote:

 Le 2013-04-18 14:42, Thomas Morton a écrit :

   Those said, I don't use Twitter in the first place, so I really have no

 idea what kind of gap you would like to fill with your feature.


  *rolls eyes*


 Sorry, I don't mean to be snippy but this discussion always frustrates
 me.
 It's the sort of elitest tech snobbery (anti-social-networks, lack of
 understanding of how 90% of the world use the web, etc.) we suffer from.


 All appologies, while I for sure have a tech background, I didn't meant
 to
 sound elitist. On the contrary, I'm asking you to explain me what is the
 obvious need that you hope to fill with such a feature and that couldn't
 be
 achieved within Wikimedia,



 What would it achieve? Well, people share content all over the web to
 their
 network; Facebook, Twitter, Google, LinkedIn, etc. Facilitating this is
 obvious The reason it hasn't happened yet is that the editing community
 seems generally politically against the idea of social networks, so
 anything relating to them is evil! ;)


 Ok, but what I don't understand is what prevent them to share links to
 Wikimedia projects?


Nothing; as you say they can copy the link and paste it to Facebook. But
that doesn't mean making that process *easier *is a bad thing! :)




 Why should be only be building and sharing content within Wikimedia? The

 vast majority of the consumers of the site could not care one thing about
 within Wikimedia, and that is fine. Foisting it upon them is the poor
 approach :D


 I agree. However if people are intending to give feed back on the page,
 especialy feedback which would be useful to improve it, I think it would be
 far better to keep this comments within the Wikimedia echosystem.


Yeh you're considering the problem too narrowly here; we're not talking
about contributing to the development of an article.

For example; a social news site I hang out on regularly has interesting
Wikipedia articles posted to it. The comments then involve discussing the
topic and putting forward our personal experience, viewpoints or related
information. None of which is relevant to the Wikipedia talk page :) (e.g.
NOTFORUM).

Tom
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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] FDC Letter of Intent process and schedule for 2013-14

2013-04-18 Thread Patricio Lorente

Dear friends and colleagues,

We want to share with you information about the Letter of Intent process
and the FDC schedule for next year (July 2013 - June 2014). As you may
remember, the *Letter of Intent (LoI)* is the first step towards applying
for funds from the FDC, as discussed in the FDC framework [1]. This was not
part of the first year's process, but is meant to be an integral part of
the FDC calendar from this next round (Round 1, 2013-14) onwards. *The
Letter of Intent asks all entities who intend to apply for Round 1 (or
Round 2) to formally state their intention to do so.* In addition, the LoI
now asks applying entities to include a notional dollar figure (or local
currency figure) in the Letter of Intent. Applying entities will be able to
update this amount in their final FDC proposals. The updated Letter of
Intent template will be available on the FDC portal [2] by May 1, but the
sample is here for reference [3].

With the Letter of Intent, the FDC staff can support applying entities in
their proposal process well before the deadline for proposals. We hope this
will remove some of the challenges faced by applicants in the first year of
the FDC process. The FDC can also plan better with a clear understanding of
who intends to apply, and an estimation of the funds requested.

The FDC framework originally stated that the deadlines for the LoI were
June 1 for Round 1 and November 1 for Round 2. However, we are pushing back
the deadline *by one week*, since the community review period was also
extended by two weeks. *The LOI deadline will now be June 8 for Round 1,
and November 8 for Round 2. *

For your reference, here is the updated 2013-2014 Round 1 proposal process
schedule:


   - *Letter of Intent deadline for Round 1: 8 June 2013*
   - Deadline for WMF Staff to post eligibility: 15 July 2013
   - Deadline for entities to meet eligibility requirements: 15 September
   2013
   - Proposal submission deadline: 1 October 2013
   - Community review period: 1 October - 31 October 2013
   - Staff assessment deadline: 8 November 2013
   - FDC recommendation due: 1 December 2013
   - Board decision due: 1 January 2014


The schedule for the 2013-14 Round 2 proposal process:

   - *Letter of Intent deadline for Round 1: 8 November 2013*
   - Deadline for WMF Staff to post eligibility: 15 December 2013
   - Deadline for entities to meet eligibility requirements: 15 February
   2014
   - Proposal submission deadline: 1 March 2014
   - Community review period: 1 March - 31 March 2014
   - Staff assessment deadline: 8 April 2014
   - FDC recommendation due: 1 May 2014
   - Board decision due: 1 June 2014


It is our hope that the Letter of Intent process will help in planning for
both the entities and the FDC, and ensure that the FDC and FDC staff are
supporting the applying entities significantly ahead of the proposal
deadlines.

As always, do not hesitate to let us or the FDC support staff (
fdcsupp...@wikimedia.org) know if you have any questions or concerns about
this important process.

Warm regards,
Patricio and Jan-Bart
(Board representatives to the FDC)

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http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Framework_for_the_Creation_and_Initial_Operation_of_the_FDC#Process_overview
[2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Sample_letter_of_intent


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf


Le 2013-04-18 14:51, David Gerard a écrit :
On 18 April 2013 13:49, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com 
wrote:

On Thursday, April 18, 2013, Mathieu Stumpf wrote:


My objection would be more something like I'm afraid that this 
kind of
actions could threaten some general policies of the Wikimedia 
movement,

policies that promote human values that I share.



 Which policies would those be?



So far, it's apparently a gateway to advertising.

Mathieu, I'm not a huge advocate of Twitter buttons, and I think the
neutrality objection (do we favour a few services, or have 2000
buttons?) is a serious problem. But your arguments so far have been
absolutely terrible.


Oh, well sorry for that, any advice that would help me to make more 
constructive/positive comments is welcome.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf

Le 2013-04-18 14:52, Thomas Morton a écrit :

Or, you could click a button.

Why is making something easy a problem?

Because easiness is not our **only** concern. Making things easier is
great, losing neutrality for the sake of convenience and ease-of-use, to
my mind it is not a good trade.

Also as it appears that the link that I make between that and ads is
only obvious to me, to me they are related by the neutrality topic. As
other said probably in a better way than I am currently able to do, if
you chose to include some third party support, this may lead to losing
neutrality. If the foundation revenue was depending on ads, to my mind
it would also lead to such a lose of neutrality. I hope it make more
clear what is the connection I do between this two topics.

Also you may be interested to know that I wrote a very short essay on
easyness[1](I wrote it several years ago it wasn't intented specificaly
for this thread) where in a short, I say that you can hardly develop a
critical mind if you never go through experiments which aren't trivial
to manage. Thus said I don't mean that cluttering a learning activity
with artifical difficulties should be encouraged.

[1] https://www.culture-libre.org/wiki/Sur_la_simplicit%C3%A9 It's in
French but if anyone is realy interested, I may translate it, just ask
me.

And more to the point; a very large number of people would become
confused
with the processes you're describing. You are somewhere in the top
0.1% of
technically literate persons!! So judging what is possible or not
based on

your own skills/abilities introduces a critical bias.

A lack of neutrality, if you will :)

Well, while I don't know how much a technically litterate person
minority I am, I do agree that my own representation of the world is
full of biases. Also, I wish that anyone may have access to ressources
that would enable one to become litterate person in any topic. I just
fail to perceive a copy/paste action as a huge barrier to knowledge
diffusion. To my mind Wikipedia Zero for example seems to adress a real
concern of knowledge diffusion.

Tom

On 18 April 2013 13:46, Mathieu Stumpf
psychosl...@culture-libre.orgwrote:

Le 2013-04-18 14:11, Stevie Benton a écrit :

[Speaking personally, not from WMUK]

Not sure how advertisements came in to the discussion, it's totally
different. If we agree we want to share the sum total of all human
knowledge, then it makes sense that we make it as easy to share
that
knowledge as possible. Having small, discreet buttons that allow
one / two

click sharing removes some of the barriers that may exist. Just my
opinion, of course.

Stevie

I really don't understand what's the supposed barriers, you can
save the
whole page to send it, copy/paste the whole page, send the direct
URL. What
the use case where current possibilities would prevent one to share
this

knowledge?

On 18 April 2013 13:04, Mathieu Stumpf
psychosl...@culture-libre.org**

wrote:

Le 2013-04-18 11:43, Stevie Benton a écrit :

[Speaking personally, not from WMUK]

I like the idea of sharing buttons, as long as they aren't too
prominent.
Wikipedia was a social medium before the term was really in
widespread

use.
I think it also shows that our audience is important. Aren't we
ultimately
about sharing?

Stevie

To my mind, it's not just about sharing, it's about sharing
knowledge in

a
form which is as neutral as we can achieve to produce. If you stop
to
sharing, then you may just as well let free to share
advertisments

invade wikipedia.

On 18 April 2013 10:37, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

On 18 April 2013 10:27, Mathieu Stumpf
psychosl...@culture-libre.org*

***

wrote:

I didn't read the tweeter EULA, as I don't use it. Does it
feet our

general
policy[1]? If no, as one may easily expect, then you have a
definitive
answer to your why not.

You could tweet from a button without WMF sending data to
Twitter, so

that's not a problem.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf


Le 2013-04-18 14:56, Katie Chan a écrit :

On 18/04/2013 13:51, David Gerard wrote:


So far, it's apparently a gateway to advertising.

Mathieu, I'm not a huge advocate of Twitter buttons, and I think the
neutrality objection (do we favour a few services, or have 2000
buttons?) is a serious problem. But your arguments so far have been
absolutely terrible.




We already selectively choose which outside service we display when a
user click on say an ISBN number or geoip. Doing likewise for share
buttons wouldn't be something new

Katie


I admit you have a point here. How were this services selected? Was it 
a community process?


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Tobias


On 04/18/2013 04:28 AM, billinghurst wrote:

I am wondering why there is no tweet this page capability through the
WMF sites?  It is so widely available through the web, and here is a range
of sites that would be a prime place to do it, and NADA, no capacity.


Since we have this discussion every now and then, I've started a page on 
meta to gather supporting and opposing arguments and to identify 
potential difficulties:


https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Social_media_plugins

Please participate in improving that page!

Regards,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton

Something like this buttons?
http://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Brasil_nas_escolas


On 18 April 2013 12:07, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.orgwrote:

 Le 2013-04-18 14:56, Katie Chan a écrit :

  On 18/04/2013 13:51, David Gerard wrote:


 So far, it's apparently a gateway to advertising.

 Mathieu, I'm not a huge advocate of Twitter buttons, and I think the
 neutrality objection (do we favour a few services, or have 2000
 buttons?) is a serious problem. But your arguments so far have been
 absolutely terrible.



 We already selectively choose which outside service we display when a
 user click on say an ISBN number or geoip. Doing likewise for share
 buttons wouldn't be something new

 Katie


 I admit you have a point here. How were this services selected? Was it a
 community process?


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread David Gerard

On 18 April 2013 15:54, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote:
 Le 2013-04-18 14:52, Thomas Morton a écrit :

 Or, you could click a button.
 Why is making something easy a problem?

 Because easiness is not our **only** concern.


It is, however, an extremely important one. It only takes a *tiny*
inconvenience to lose a *lot* of people.

(Someone noted on wikien-l that the Oh Shit moment in the editor
graph coincides pretty well with the decision to lock down article
creation on en:wp. Tiny inconveniences.)


 Making things easier is great,
 losing neutrality for the sake of convenience and ease-of-use, to my mind it
 is not a good trade.


I don't see a way around the neutrality one either, but that's my only
objection.


 I just fail to perceive a
 copy/paste action as a huge barrier to knowledge diffusion.


And yet, it seems to be. People keep asking for the buttons.


  To my mind
 Wikipedia Zero for example seems to adress a real concern of knowledge
 diffusion.


Wikipedia Zero is not particularly related to the present discussion.

However, consider the mobile interface. Copy-and-pasting a URL is
considerably more difficult there. How would you work around that?


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf


Le 2013-04-18 17:25, David Gerard a écrit :
On 18 April 2013 15:54, Mathieu Stumpf 
psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote:

Le 2013-04-18 14:52, Thomas Morton a écrit :



Or, you could click a button.
Why is making something easy a problem?



Because easiness is not our **only** concern.



It is, however, an extremely important one. It only takes a *tiny*
inconvenience to lose a *lot* of people.


I do agree that it's important to make it easy to diffuse knowledge. I 
don't agree that it's a tiny inconvenience. Sure my feelings are not 
more credible than yours, but to my mind the teapote proof[1] is on your 
side. :P


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot



(Someone noted on wikien-l that the Oh Shit moment in the editor
graph coincides pretty well with the decision to lock down article
creation on en:wp. Tiny inconveniences.)


Sorry, I think I miss some context to understand this paragraph.



I just fail to perceive a
copy/paste action as a huge barrier to knowledge diffusion.



And yet, it seems to be. People keep asking for the buttons.


Would you be kind enough to provide some links to this queries, please?



 To my mind
Wikipedia Zero for example seems to adress a real concern of 
knowledge

diffusion.



Wikipedia Zero is not particularly related to the present discussion.


It's related to knowledge diffusion, which was used as a pro argument 
for this feature if I am not mistaken.



However, consider the mobile interface. Copy-and-pasting a URL is
considerably more difficult there. How would you work around that?


Having a copy this page address button maybe? And you may paste it in 
whatever social media you like, as an email for example. ;)


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski


David Gerard wrote:


(Someone noted on wikien-l that the Oh Shit moment in the editor
graph coincides pretty well with the decision to lock down article
creation on en:wp. Tiny inconveniences.)


It's been more than seven years since article creation was disabled for 
anonymous editors on the English Wikipedia, and I was not able to find 
any discussion that would suggest to re-enable it; quite the contrary, 
there had even been an attempt to limit it to the 'autoconfirmed 
group'[1] that was rejected by the developers community.


I heard from many people that it is a total disgrace for the movement 
that its biggest project does not allow all users to create new pages 
(specifically as there was, as I am told, no discussion about it); 
indeed, this is something that is regularly denied for all wikis 
requesting it even with overwhelming community support[2], as being in 
opposition to our founding principles[3].


If there is significant evidence that not having the 'createpage' user 
right for all users results in falling editor numbers, then it would 
probably be best to start a discussion to change it.


== References ==
* [1] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed_article_creation_trial

* [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Limits_to_configuration_changes
* [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Founding_principles

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf

Le jeudi 18 avril 2013 à 16:55 +0100, David Gerard a écrit :
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-01-02/Interview

Thank you, I will read it tomorow.


  However, consider the mobile interface. Copy-and-pasting a URL is
  considerably more difficult there. How would you work around that?
 
  Having a copy this page address button maybe? And you may paste it in
  whatever social media you like, as an email for example. ;)
 
 
 This is a difficult and annoying action on a phone.

By just saying a phone, to my mind it's hard to emit any relevant
judgement. There are phone with which you can't consult any webpage in
the firstplace. Now for the smartphone I've been able to test, while I
found copying a part of a text very hard, pasting was not a big deal.
Moreover if you can push a button to send a link on some specific social
media, you are probably able to push a button which put the url right
into your copy/paste buffer and paste it wherever you want, don't you
think?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Benoit Landry

I regularly Tweet or (share on Facebook) diff, discussions, articles or 
other pages. I'm not sure an on-wiki button would necessarily augment the 
rate at which I post Wikipedia stuff on my social media accounts...


,
Salvidrim

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From: Daniel Zahn

Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

in the past i would have liked this feature on commons.
l
after i uploaded new images to commons i would have likely used a feature
to share this on other networks.

like I just uploaded new images to wm.commons.. see here

for one it would show people (my friends) that i have uploaded new images
and i don't have to put them on, say FB itself,
and it would also point out to others (non-Wikimedians) there is an
alternative place where your images can be free

added as a feature request last year:

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40456
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Matthew Roth

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote:



 Note that desktop browsers are in some cases gaining similar capabilities;
 for instance Apple's Safari in latest versions includes a Share button
 similar to iOS's, with access to a couple hardcoded services. Nearly all
 browsers that I know of support sharing a link over email directly through
 a menu item, and those supporting extensions can install various social
 network goodies.


Happy that Brion brought this angle up, as I am perpetually vexed by how
incompatible social networks are with CC licenses (mostly with BY-SA). The
browser plug-ins bring up an even bigger problem for our projects and the
licenses.

First, note that most of the really popular social networking sites have
boilerplate language in the Terms of Service that are incompatible with
CC-BY-SA. See Michelle Paulson's legal analysis related to Facebook here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal_and_Community_Advocacy/CC-BY-SA_on_Facebook

You cannot post 3rd party CC-BY-SA licensed images to Facebook (and likely
most other social networks) because you will be violating the sublicensing
section of the CC license, and arguably the ToS of the social network. This
isn't a small matter. If you look at a number of the Wikimedia movement
partners and Wikimedians who use Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, etc. they
are posting images that violate the license. We were doing the same at WMF
until Michelle produced her guidance. We've tried to find all instances
where we had uploaded images, instead replacing them with links (the
auto-generated thumbnails are not a concern, legally).

Although the legal team hasn't published formal guidance on the other
social networks, a survey of their terms of service show a very similar
sublicensing clause. I'm not super optimistic that we can participate fully
with them, so that's why we have not had an active presence on, for
example, Pinterest. They make such heavy use of images in their pins and I
don't see a workable way forward at present, despite how much I like their
site aesthetically.

I would love to find a solution to the problem from a licensing standpoint.
IMO, using images on social networks is a fantastic way to promote the
projects and hopefully encourage more people to participate/contribute, but
I don't think it's something we can reasonably do at present.

-Matthew




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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread James Alexander

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 3:05 AM, Mathieu Stumpf 
psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote:

 Le 2013-04-18 05:00, James Alexander a écrit :

  I tend to think that they can be incredibly useful and reader
 friendly. I've always found it a bit disappointing we don't have it as
 they are probably the bigger reader request I've ever seen.


 Please provide metrics and numbers. You know how our personal impressions
 are biased with our personal interets. And you also know  how metrics,
 while not providing absolute truth, assuage our biases.
  https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l



I'm sorry, I don't keep a journal of every reader request I've ever seen or
heard and I didn't try to make any claim of 'absolute truth' I said it was
probably the biggest reader request I had ever seen which I stick by. Want
rough numbers? Amount of people who have personally told it to me, to my
face? In the 100s (over 200 less then a thousand). That I have seen 2nd
hand where they were just commenting somewhere on the internet or in print?
10s of thousands.

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Mathieu Stumpf 
psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote:

 ...


 Ok, but what I don't understand is what prevent them to share links to
 Wikimedia projects?


At some level? Everything. We have long found that every little extra step
makes it much less likely people will do something. Asking someone to copy
the link and go to their site and paste it (hopefully along with a short
description) means MUCH MUCH less people will do it. This is true even if
that was how they were used to sharing content, however it's even more true
when it is NOT how they are used to sharing content. They are used to
sharing it with buttons and those buttons 'invite' them to share, to spread
the knowledge they found.  That isn't contrary to our goals, in my mind
it's EXACTLY our goals. A book is near useless unless it's read.



 Why should be only be building and sharing content within Wikimedia? The
 vast majority of the consumers of the site could not care one thing about
 within Wikimedia, and that is fine. Foisting it upon them is the poor
 approach :D


 I agree. However if people are intending to give feed back on the page,
 especialy feedback which would be useful to improve it, I think it would be
 far better to keep this comments within the Wikimedia echosystem.


Most of this discussion is about sharing in general, not sharing
specifically to give feedback on a page.


I can understand the concern about neutrality, it isn't an easy question
but it isn't something that we are new too. The community makes decisions
like that all of the time. It is, however, the best argument against that
I've tended to hear.Overall I want to make it easy for as many people as
possible to use our information ,and I think sharing buttons can be a huge
help in that direction.


On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Benoit Landry benoit_lan...@hotmail.com
 wrote:

 I regularly Tweet or (share on Facebook) diff, discussions, articles or
 other pages. I'm not sure an on-wiki button would necessarily augment the
 rate at which I post Wikipedia stuff on my social media accounts...

 ,


I think that's generally true of most wikimedians but not generally true of
most of our readers.

James
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