Re: [Wikimedia-l] letter from the FDC to the WMF

2013-10-23 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
hi Theo, Actually, no. The board and WMF both have a legal existence and basis. FDC as a committee, albeit a board mandated one sits on the same or equal footing as Langcom or Comcom, slightly above OMGcom, as far as I'm concerned. It has little to no real world existence. Second, the WMF

[Wikimedia-l] Is the capability to delete usernames compatible with the CCBYSA license?

2013-10-23 Thread Strainu
Hi, Someone brought up an interesting issue: is it moral for the vandals to be credited as contributors to articles (especially when exporting the article as pdf)? After experimenting a little, it turns out that deleting the usernames from the history removes them from the contributor list.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the capability to delete usernames compatible with the CCBYSA license?

2013-10-23 Thread Ilya Korniyko
Answer to the first question is very simple - C is derived from A, not vandalized B revision. On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Someone brought up an interesting issue: is it moral for the vandals to be credited as contributors to articles (especially

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the capability to delete usernames compatible with the CCBYSA license?

2013-10-23 Thread Marco Chiesa
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: While morality is a subjective matter, a more interesting question is: is this behavior compatible with the CCBYSA license? Say we have version A of a text, vandalised in version B and reverted in revision C. Then version C

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the capability to delete usernames compatible with the CCBYSA license?

2013-10-23 Thread Andre Engels
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Someone brought up an interesting issue: is it moral for the vandals to be credited as contributors to articles (especially when exporting the article as pdf)? After experimenting a little, it turns out that deleting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the capability to delete usernames compatible with the CCBYSA license?

2013-10-23 Thread Andre Engels
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: Same argument in different wording: None of the creativity that goes into the vandalizing from version A to version B is present in version C. Thus, version C does not fall under the copyright of the vandal. Which means

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the capability to delete usernames compatible with the CCBYSA license?

2013-10-23 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Andre Engels, 23/10/2013 11:10: On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: If we go this way, then none of the authors who added legitimate content in the past but had it deleted later should be credited. We would need a tool like git blame [1] to generate the author

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Wikimania Committee Formed

2013-10-23 Thread Orsolya Gyenes
No, it's correct. James personally wanted me to represent WM2012. Best, *~Orsolya* 2013/10/23 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com Ellie Young wrote: • Orsolya Virág Gyenes (representing WM 2012) • James Hare I think your label may be switched here? MZMcBride

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Wikimania Committee Formed

2013-10-23 Thread
Congratulations to those involved in kicking off this committee. Though we should probably avoid setting up too many committees I know this part of the Wikimedia movement's decision making and learning process has been talked about for quite some time and I'm sure that the WM 2014 UK team will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] letter from the FDC to the WMF

2013-10-23 Thread Delirium
On 10/23/13 2:08 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: Theo10011, 23/10/2013 00:21: I'm quite surprised to constantly read FDC is somehow representative of the larger community and accountable to them. Almost all the current members were part of chapter leadership and have been quite active within

Re: [Wikimedia-l] letter from the FDC to the WMF

2013-10-23 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Dear Dariusz, thank you for your interesting answer, I learned a lot from it. I can imagine that some things will look different when the movement is a little older, with more former board members who would like to serve in the FDC. Kind regards Ziko Am Mittwoch, 23. Oktober 2013 schrieb

Re: [Wikimedia-l] letter from the FDC to the WMF

2013-10-23 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Delirium, 23/10/2013 13:33: From my perspective as someone not really involved in either the WMF or chapters (or other committees), but just an editor and a community member, I tend to see the WMF as special Note that I wasn't saying it isn't special in some way, I was just saying that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

2013-10-23 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 10/21/2013 08:13 PM, MZMcBride wrote: On a typical site, paid staff would deal with problematic users. The obvious, and perhaps a bit trite, answer would be that we are most certainly not a typical site by any meaning of the term. :-) Seriously, however, I can understand why some current

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

2013-10-23 Thread Newyorkbrad
Although I personally didn't consider identifying to be onerous, I've never thought the entire identification requirement and process were necessary, since nothing is ever done with the identification data. Can anyone think of a situation that would have been handled differently if the proposed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

2013-10-23 Thread David Gerard
On 24 October 2013 00:07, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 10/23/2013 07:01 PM, Newyorkbrad wrote: (I myself can think of one and only one, but am curious if there are others.) I can also think of exactly one off the cuff (and it is almost certainly the same); but I can think of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

2013-10-23 Thread Katherine Casey
As far as The physical handling is relatively easy to ensure is proper, well... Considering that some of our less sane problematic users have, if I'm remembering correctly, shown up at the WMF office itself and would have loved to get their hands on the real-life documents of our

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

2013-10-23 Thread George Herbert
Fluff- When crazies go crazy about Wikipedia, they go *very *crazy, and breaking a padlock in an office isn't that outlandish for some of them. It will not happen without staff being fully aware, and an intruder knowing which cabinet to break into without significant effort is extremely

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

2013-10-23 Thread MZMcBride
Marc A. Pelletier wrote: Seriously, however, I can understand why some current holders of rights might have reservations about a policy that tightens greatly how private information is handled and how much vetting is done on who does the handling; but that tightening does very much need to take