Re: [Wikimedia-l] Agenda for the December 9, 2015 Board Meeting

[Lodewijk]

Hi Zhou,

Thank you. Just curious, as the previous board meeting is not too long ago
and this agenda is very last minute: was this a scheduled board meeting?

Best,
Lodewijk

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> Hello all,
>
> The agenda for the next Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees meeting is
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> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Board_meetings/2015-12-09
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] New board of Wikimedia DC

[Nurunnaby Chowdhury (Hasive)]

Congratulations to all board member!


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On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi <
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> Congratulations all!
>
> On 12/8/2015 1:28 AM, Tito Dutta wrote:
> > Congrats Wikimedia DC.
> >
> > On 8 December 2015 at 01:25, Kalliope Tsouroupidou <
> > ktsouroupi...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Congratulations Wikimedia DC! Keep up the great work that you do 
> >>
> >> K.
> >>
> >> On Monday, 7 December 2015, Katy Love  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Congratulations, Wikimedia DC!
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 7:11 PM, James Hare  >>> > wrote:
> >>>
>  All,
> 
>  Following our annual board election and our first-ever round of board
>  appointments, I am happy to announce that Wikimedia DC has a new Board
> >> of
>  Directors, comprising:
> 
>  * Kirill Lokshin, President
>  * Emily Temple-Wood, Vice President
>  * James Hare, Secretary
>  * Walter Gómez Segura, Treasurer
>  * Rob Fernandez
>  * Peter Meyer
>  * John Sadowski
>  * Diane Shaw
>  * Rebecca Williams
> 
>  Congratulations to all our new directors, and especially to Kirill and
>  Walter on becoming President and Treasurer!
> 
>  Today we also enacted our annual plan for Fiscal Year 2015–16,
> >> available
>  here: .
> >> We
>  look forward to another year of outreach!
> 
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] New board of Wikimedia DC

[Tanweer Morshed]

Congratulations to the new board!

On 12/6/15, James Hare  wrote:
> All,
>
> Following our annual board election and our first-ever round of board
> appointments, I am happy to announce that Wikimedia DC has a new Board of
> Directors, comprising:
>
> * Kirill Lokshin, President
> * Emily Temple-Wood, Vice President
> * James Hare, Secretary
> * Walter Gómez Segura, Treasurer
> * Rob Fernandez
> * Peter Meyer
> * John Sadowski
> * Diane Shaw
> * Rebecca Williams
>
> Congratulations to all our new directors, and especially to Kirill and
> Walter on becoming President and Treasurer!
>
> Today we also enacted our annual plan for Fiscal Year 2015–16, available
> here: . We
> look forward to another year of outreach!
>
>
> —
> James Hare
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] New board of Wikimedia DC

[Kalliope Tsouroupidou]

Congratulations Wikimedia DC! Keep up the great work that you do 

K.

On Monday, 7 December 2015, Katy Love  wrote:

> Congratulations, Wikimedia DC!
>
> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 7:11 PM, James Hare  > wrote:
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> > All,
> >
> > Following our annual board election and our first-ever round of board
> > appointments, I am happy to announce that Wikimedia DC has a new Board of
> > Directors, comprising:
> >
> > * Kirill Lokshin, President
> > * Emily Temple-Wood, Vice President
> > * James Hare, Secretary
> > * Walter Gómez Segura, Treasurer
> > * Rob Fernandez
> > * Peter Meyer
> > * John Sadowski
> > * Diane Shaw
> > * Rebecca Williams
> >
> > Congratulations to all our new directors, and especially to Kirill and
> > Walter on becoming President and Treasurer!
> >
> > Today we also enacted our annual plan for Fiscal Year 2015–16, available
> > here: . We
> > look forward to another year of outreach!
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] New board of Wikimedia DC

[Tito Dutta]

Congrats Wikimedia DC.

On 8 December 2015 at 01:25, Kalliope Tsouroupidou <
ktsouroupi...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Congratulations Wikimedia DC! Keep up the great work that you do 
>
> K.
>
> On Monday, 7 December 2015, Katy Love  wrote:
>
> > Congratulations, Wikimedia DC!
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 7:11 PM, James Hare  > > wrote:
> >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > Following our annual board election and our first-ever round of board
> > > appointments, I am happy to announce that Wikimedia DC has a new Board
> of
> > > Directors, comprising:
> > >
> > > * Kirill Lokshin, President
> > > * Emily Temple-Wood, Vice President
> > > * James Hare, Secretary
> > > * Walter Gómez Segura, Treasurer
> > > * Rob Fernandez
> > > * Peter Meyer
> > > * John Sadowski
> > > * Diane Shaw
> > > * Rebecca Williams
> > >
> > > Congratulations to all our new directors, and especially to Kirill and
> > > Walter on becoming President and Treasurer!
> > >
> > > Today we also enacted our annual plan for Fiscal Year 2015–16,
> available
> > > here: .
> We
> > > look forward to another year of outreach!
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

[Yaroslav M. Blanter]

On 2015-12-01 12:27, Andreas Kolbe wrote:

Article by Mark Graham in Slate, Nov. 30, 2015:

Why Does Google Say Jerusalem Is the Capital of Israel?
It has to do with the fact that the Web is now optimized for machines, 
not

people.



Second, because of the stripping away of context, it can be challenging 
to

represent important nuance. In the case of Jerusalem, the issue is less
that particular viewpoints about the city’s status as a capital are 
true or
false, but rather that there can be multiple truths, all of which are 
hard
to fold into a single database entry. Finally, it’s difficult for users 
to
challenge or contest representations that they deem to be unfair. 
Wikidata

is, and Freebase used to be, built on user-generated content, but those
users tend to be a highly specialized group—it’s not easy for lay users 
to
participate in those platforms. And those platforms often aren’t the 
place
in which their data is ultimately displayed, making it hard for some 
users

to find them. Furthermore, because Google’s Knowledge Base is so opaque
about where it pulls its information from, it is often unclear if those
sites are even the origins of data in the first place.

Jerusalem is just one example among many in which knowledge bases are
increasingly distancing (and in some case cutting off) debate about
contested knowledges of places. [followed by more examples]



The story with Jerusalem is very simple. I created the Wikidata item. 
The English description was "city in Israel". Then POV pushers came. 
Some of them wanted "city in Palestine", and others wanted "capital of 
Israel". Then one user, who later was elected to the board of Wikimedia 
Israel, canvassed a number of users in Hebrew Wikipedia. When there were 
too many POV pushers, I just unwatched the page, and it became "capital 
of Israel". Later on, someone managed to change it to smth neutral. 
That's it. There is nothing automatic here.


Cheers
Yaroslav

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

[Andreas Kolbe]

Hi Yaroslav,

Thanks for the background. The "POV pushing" you describe is of course what
Graham and Ford are examining in their paper.

For what it's worth, the Wikidata item for Jerusalem[1] still contains the
statement "capital of Israel" today.

As I understand it, the Knowledge Graph uses a number of sources to "guess"
whether something is factual or not. Whether Wikidata is one of them, and
what weight it has in this process, is something I suspect no one outside
Google knows.

The op-ed I mentioned writing last week is now out as part of the current
Signpost issue.[2]

Andreas

[1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1218
[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-12-02/Op-ed

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter 
wrote:

> The story with Jerusalem is very simple. I created the Wikidata item. The
> English description was "city in Israel". Then POV pushers came. Some of
> them wanted "city in Palestine", and others wanted "capital of Israel".
> Then one user, who later was elected to the board of Wikimedia Israel,
> canvassed a number of users in Hebrew Wikipedia. When there were too many
> POV pushers, I just unwatched the page, and it became "capital of Israel".
> Later on, someone managed to change it to smth neutral. That's it. There is
> nothing automatic here.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

[Andrea Zanni]

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

> Hi Yaroslav,
>
> Thanks for the background. The "POV pushing" you describe is of course what
> Graham and Ford are examining in their paper.
>
> For what it's worth, the Wikidata item for Jerusalem[1] still contains the
> statement "capital of Israel" today.
>


Really, I do not understand the difference between this kind of problem and
Wikipedia's edit wars or conflicts.
Wikidata represents knowledge in a structured, collaborative way: both
features define it, and it seems the op-ed just doesn't like them (either
one or both).

Aubrey
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Help decide Future IdeaLab Campaigns!

[Pine W]

Hi Jethro,

Two questions:

(1) How are the results looking from the Gender Gap campaign in IdeaLab?

(2) If WMF does this again, will the campaign be designed and resourced in
a way that doesn't disrupt the other grants process flows? I have painful
memories of what happened in the PEG process last time. I hope that, with
the addition of interns or other HR shuffles, the other grants process
flows can continue normally.

Thanks!

Pine

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>
> I invite you to help decide what topics should be considered for future
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> addressing community needs on the Wikimedia projects to which you
> contribute:
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> 
>
> You can offer feedback and your own campaign topics through a survey
> conducted through AllOurIdeas <
> http://www.allourideas.org/idealab_campaigns>
> in addition to participating on the IdeaLab talk page.
>
> I’m looking forward to seeing your feedback and exploring potential
> directions we can take IdeaLab campaigns for next year!
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Help decide Future IdeaLab Campaigns!

[Siko Bouterse]

Hi Pine,
Some quick answers to your questions:

1. The initial results of the Inspire Campaign themselves were largely very
good (see:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/05/28/what-we-learned-from-the-inspire-campaign/).
As for the projects funded as a result of the campaign, though, they're
still running and so we expect to have analysis of their impact completed
towards the end of this fiscal year (by June 2016), after all grantees have
reported back.
2. Yes. See Jethro's FAQ # 2 for the fuller answer:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Future_IdeaLab_Campaigns#FAQ

Cheers,
Siko


On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Pine W  wrote:

> Hi Jethro,
>
> Two questions:
>
> (1) How are the results looking from the Gender Gap campaign in IdeaLab?
>
> (2) If WMF does this again, will the campaign be designed and resourced in
> a way that doesn't disrupt the other grants process flows? I have painful
> memories of what happened in the PEG process last time. I hope that, with
> the addition of interns or other HR shuffles, the other grants process
> flows can continue normally.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Pine
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Chris Schilling 
> wrote:
>
> > Hey everyone,
> >
> > I invite you to help decide what topics should be considered for future
> > IdeaLab campaigns, which generate novel proposals for improving and
> > addressing community needs on the Wikimedia projects to which you
> > contribute:
> >
> >  >
> >
> > You can offer feedback and your own campaign topics through a survey
> > conducted through AllOurIdeas <
> > http://www.allourideas.org/idealab_campaigns>
> > in addition to participating on the IdeaLab talk page.
> >
> > I’m looking forward to seeing your feedback and exploring potential
> > directions we can take IdeaLab campaigns for next year!
> >
> > With thanks,
> >
> > Jethro
> >
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[Wikimedia-l] Update from the Wikimedia Performance Team

[Gilles Dubuc]

Hello,

This is the monthly report from the Wikimedia Performance team.

## Our progress ##

* Availability. We've done a major overhaul of the ObjectCache interfaces. Many
factory methods were deprecated or removed, reducing it to just four simple
entry points. New docs at
https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/master/php/classObjectCache.html#details

We've written a new IExpiringStore interface for convenient TTL constants,
e.g. $cache::TTL_WEEK. See
https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/master/php/interfaceIExpiringStore.html

We've migrated most use of wfGetMainCache() to WANObjectCache. Work
continued on the librarization of BagOStuff, Memcached, and other object
cache classes.

* Performance testing infrastructure. We've created dedicated dashboards
for portals:

https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/webpagetest-portals

And for mobile:

https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/mobile-webpagetest

We now test one page using real 3G connections (from San Francisco and
Bangalore) and test other pages using the following physical devices:
iPhone 6, iPad mini 2 and Moto G.

* Media stack. We've extended Thumbor with 12 small plugins to meet our
needs and match our existing thumbnailing feature set. This includes
support for all the file formats in use on Commons. The Thumbor Vagrant
stack is now very close to having all the moving parts needed in
production, with basic Vagrant roles for Varnish and Swift having been
written to that end. Our objective is to finish the work on VM by the
holidays and have it ready to be showcased and discussed collectively at
the developer summit in a breakout session.

* ResourceLoader. We've written a new mw.requestIdleCallback API for
scheduling deferred tasks. We've removed usage of the  msg_resource_links
DB table. We now use message config from the module registry directly.
We've migrated MessageBlobStore msg_resource DB table to an object cache
(to be deployed in January 2016): https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113092

## How are we doing? ##

Client-side performance has remained stable over the past month. Save Timing
has also remained stable, around the 1s median mark.

The job queue's health improved greatly after adding a new server to the
pool, with the job queue size dropping drastically and the 99th percentile
job processing time going from one day to one hour:

* https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/job-queue-health

There was a small scare about a sudden increase of the SpeedIndex value
across the board:

https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/webpagetest

But it was entirely explained by the fundraising banner, which doesn't
appear immediately on pageload. SpeedIndex measures the time it takes for
the above-the-fold area to "settle" visually. The banner appears late and
pushes the content down, which delays the time when visual changes stop
happening for the above-the-fold area.

Until next time,
Aaron, Gilles, Peter, Timo, and Ori.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

[Andreas Kolbe]

Hi Markus,


On 1 December 2015 at 23:43, Markus Krötzsch 

wrote:

> [I continue cross-posting for this reply, but it would make sense to
> return the thread to the Wikidata list where it started, so as to avoid
> partial discussions happening in many places.]


Apologies for the late reply.

While you indicated that you had crossposted this reply to
Wikimedia-l, it didn't turn up in my inbox. I only saw it today, after
Atlasowa pointed it out on the Signpost op-ed's talk page.[1]


> On 27.11.2015 12:08, Andreas Kolbe wrote:

> >* Wikipedia content is considered a reliable source in Wikidata, and
*> >* Wikidata content is used as a reliable source by Google, where it
*> >* appears without any indication of its provenance.*

> This prompted me to reply. I wanted to write an email that merely says: >
"Really? Where did you get this from?" (Google using Wikidata content)

Multiple sources, including what appears to be your own research
group's writing:[2]

---o0o---

In December 2013, Google announced that their own collaboratively
edited knowledge base, Freebase, is to be discontinued in favour of
Wikidata, which gives Wikidata a prominent role as an in[p]ut for
Google Knowledge Graph. The research group Knowledge Systems
 is working
in close cooperation with the development team behind Wikidata, and
provides, e.g., the regular Wikidata RDF-Exports.

---o0o---


> But then I read the rest ... so here you go ...


> Your email mixes up many things and effects, some of which are important
> issues (e.g., the fact that VIAF is not a primary data source that
> should be used in citations). Many other of your remarks I find very
> hard to take serious, including but not limited to the following:

> * A rather bizarre connection between licensing models and
> accountability (as if it would make content more credible if you are
> legally required to say that you found it on Wikipedia, or even give a
> list of user names and IPs who contributed)


Both Freebase and Wikipedia have attribution licences. When Bing's
Snapshot displays information drawn from Freebase or Wikipedia, it's
indicated thus at the bottom of the infobox[3]:

---o0o---

Data from Freebase · Wikipedia

---o0o---

I take this as a token gesture to these sources' attribution licences.

Given the amount of space they have available, I would think most
people would agree that this form of attribution is sufficient. You
couldn't possibly expect them to list all contributors who have ever
contributed to the lead of the Wikipedia article, for example, as the
letter of the licence might require.

However, I think it's proper and important that those minimal
attributions are there. And given Wikidata's CC0 licence, I don't
expect re-users to continue attributing in this manner. This view is
shared by Max Klein for example, who is quoted to that effect in the
Signpost op-ed.[4]


> * Some stories that I think you really just made up for the sake of > 
> argument (Denny alone has picked the Wikidata license?


Denny led the development team. There are multiple public instances
and accounts of his having advocated this choice and convinced people
of the wisdom of it, in Wikidata talk pages and elsewhere, including a
recent post on the Wikidata mailing list.[5]

Interestingly, he originally said that this would mean there could be
no imports from Wikipedia, and that there was in fact no intention to
import data from Wikipedias (see op-ed).[6] He also said, higher up on
that page, that this was "for starters", and that that decision could
easily be changed later on by the community.[7]


> Google displays Wikidata content?


See above. If Wikidata plays "a prominent role as an in[p]ut for
Google Knowledge Graph" then I would expect there to be
correspondences between Knowledge Graph and Wikidata content.


> Bing is fuelled by Wikimedia?)


I spoke of "Wikimedia-fuelled search engines like Google and Bing" in
the context of the Google Knowledge Graph and Bing's Snapshot/Satori
equivalent.

We all know that in both cases, much of the content Google and Bing
display in these infoboxes comes from Wikimedia projects (Wikipedia,
Commons and now, apparently, Wikidata).

> * Some disjointed remarks about the history of capitalism> * The assertion 
> that content is worse just because the author who > created it used a bot for 
> editing


I spoke of "bot users mass-importing unreliable data". It's not the
bot method that makes the data unreliable: they are unreliable to
begin with (because they are unsourced, nobody verifies the source,
etc.).

As I pointed out in this week's op-ed, of the top fifteen hoaxes in
the English Wikipedia, six have active Wikidata items (or rather, had:
they were deleted this morning, after the op-ed appeared).

This is what I mean by 

[Wikimedia-l] Agenda for the December 9, 2015 Board Meeting

[Zhou Zhou]

Hello all,

The agenda for the next Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees meeting is
now available on Meta Wiki:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Board_meetings/2015-12-09

Thanks,

Zhou
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community consultation on the future of Wikimania

[Florence Devouard]

Le 03/12/15 20:21, Austin Hair a écrit :

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Ellie Young  wrote:

A lot of work has gone into preparing for  the consultation.It will be 
going out December 14.  We are looking forward to getting everyone's feedback 
in the weeks after and into early January.


Is there a particular reason it's being delayed until the 14th?

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I do not know if this is the only reason, but whilst the consultation is 
proposed by WMF, the steering committee has been invited to comment and 
to propose any modification that members would think needed (I answered 
by email to this request).
I believe the additional days is simply to make sure that some 
stakeholders review the current proposition to make sure that it is the 
clearest and most comprehensive one before it is open to community 
input. Call it review of the consultation ?


Flo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

[Craig Franklin]

Such issues are always going to crop up when you're attempting to describe
the world using Aristotelian propositions.  In a source like Wikipedia, we
can provide some nuance, explain both sides of the issue, the history of
both claims, and let the reader decide.  In a database, we are limited to
saying that Jerusalem either is or is not the capital of Israel.

To be fair, this is not an weakness that is implementation-specific to
Wikidata; it is always going to happen when you try to describe the world
in this way.  It's not something that can be fixed with adding sources, or
by bolting fancy new technical gadgets onto the side of the database.

Cheers,
Craig

On 8 December 2015 at 06:58, Andrea Zanni  wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:
>
> > Hi Yaroslav,
> >
> > Thanks for the background. The "POV pushing" you describe is of course
> what
> > Graham and Ford are examining in their paper.
> >
> > For what it's worth, the Wikidata item for Jerusalem[1] still contains
> the
> > statement "capital of Israel" today.
> >
>
>
> Really, I do not understand the difference between this kind of problem and
> Wikipedia's edit wars or conflicts.
> Wikidata represents knowledge in a structured, collaborative way: both
> features define it, and it seems the op-ed just doesn't like them (either
> one or both).
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] New board of Wikimedia DC

[Katy Love]

Congratulations, Wikimedia DC!

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 7:11 PM, James Hare  wrote:

> All,
>
> Following our annual board election and our first-ever round of board
> appointments, I am happy to announce that Wikimedia DC has a new Board of
> Directors, comprising:
>
> * Kirill Lokshin, President
> * Emily Temple-Wood, Vice President
> * James Hare, Secretary
> * Walter Gómez Segura, Treasurer
> * Rob Fernandez
> * Peter Meyer
> * John Sadowski
> * Diane Shaw
> * Rebecca Williams
>
> Congratulations to all our new directors, and especially to Kirill and
> Walter on becoming President and Treasurer!
>
> Today we also enacted our annual plan for Fiscal Year 2015–16, available
> here: . We
> look forward to another year of outreach!
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

[Gnangarra]

Criag is right this cant be fixed within the database because the data base
is applying one truth where there is no one truth for everyone. This will
always be the single biggest flaw of Wikidata no matter how data is
presented it can never be the absolute truth unless its measurable through
some mathematical scientific process that can replicated by everyone,
translated into any language.

Wikipedia's answer is to present all considerations in an equal manor and
not interpret the facts

Wikidata defines what is fact, what is truth, what is right thats a big
task and is something the community has never tackled before... should we
even try, has the damage already been done or should we narrow the range of
recorded data, could we flag alternatives, could we give a measure of
acceptance for each fact. are there alternative means

Quality itself has many different measures and many different ways of being
measured all of which are the truth for the question being asked...

Are we even asking the questions we need to in the way we need to?



On 8 December 2015 at 07:52, Craig Franklin 
wrote:

> Such issues are always going to crop up when you're attempting to describe
> the world using Aristotelian propositions.  In a source like Wikipedia, we
> can provide some nuance, explain both sides of the issue, the history of
> both claims, and let the reader decide.  In a database, we are limited to
> saying that Jerusalem either is or is not the capital of Israel.
>
> To be fair, this is not an weakness that is implementation-specific to
> Wikidata; it is always going to happen when you try to describe the world
> in this way.  It's not something that can be fixed with adding sources, or
> by bolting fancy new technical gadgets onto the side of the database.
>
> Cheers,
> Craig
>
> On 8 December 2015 at 06:58, Andrea Zanni 
> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Andreas Kolbe 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Yaroslav,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the background. The "POV pushing" you describe is of course
> > what
> > > Graham and Ford are examining in their paper.
> > >
> > > For what it's worth, the Wikidata item for Jerusalem[1] still contains
> > the
> > > statement "capital of Israel" today.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Really, I do not understand the difference between this kind of problem
> and
> > Wikipedia's edit wars or conflicts.
> > Wikidata represents knowledge in a structured, collaborative way: both
> > features define it, and it seems the op-ed just doesn't like them (either
> > one or both).
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] New board of Wikimedia DC

[Subhashish Panigrahi]

Congratulations all!

On 12/8/2015 1:28 AM, Tito Dutta wrote:
> Congrats Wikimedia DC.
>
> On 8 December 2015 at 01:25, Kalliope Tsouroupidou <
> ktsouroupi...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> Congratulations Wikimedia DC! Keep up the great work that you do 
>>
>> K.
>>
>> On Monday, 7 December 2015, Katy Love  wrote:
>>
>>> Congratulations, Wikimedia DC!
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 7:11 PM, James Hare >> > wrote:
>>>
 All,

 Following our annual board election and our first-ever round of board
 appointments, I am happy to announce that Wikimedia DC has a new Board
>> of
 Directors, comprising:

 * Kirill Lokshin, President
 * Emily Temple-Wood, Vice President
 * James Hare, Secretary
 * Walter Gómez Segura, Treasurer
 * Rob Fernandez
 * Peter Meyer
 * John Sadowski
 * Diane Shaw
 * Rebecca Williams

 Congratulations to all our new directors, and especially to Kirill and
 Walter on becoming President and Treasurer!

 Today we also enacted our annual plan for Fiscal Year 2015–16,
>> available
 here: .
>> We
 look forward to another year of outreach!


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Agenda for the December 9, 2015 Board Meeting

[Stephen LaPorte]

Thanks. Let's keep an eye on the Wikimedia-l thread and Meta Wiki page to
see if there are any comments over the next few days.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Zhou Zhou  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> The agenda for the next Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees meeting is
> now available on Meta Wiki:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Board_meetings/2015-12-09
>
> Thanks,
>
> Zhou
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