Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Advisory board

2016-01-28 Thread Asaf Bartov
Thank you, Kat. That was very informative, and of course, my sharing my frustrating experience was merely an attempt to use this chance to draw attention to that issue (not the person, but what you described as type 4), not an attempt to provide the full context you just did. :) (and your e-mail

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Advisory board

2016-01-28 Thread Anthony Cole
Thanks, Kat, for that very clear explanation. On Friday, 29 January 2016, Kat Walsh wrote: > The advisory board basically never gets used as a group (and IMO it > wouldn't really make sense to). In my experience, people named to the > list fill one of a few functions: > > 1. Big Names who don't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Advisory board

2016-01-28 Thread Kat Walsh
The advisory board basically never gets used as a group (and IMO it wouldn't really make sense to). In my experience, people named to the list fill one of a few functions: 1. Big Names who don't have the time to commit to being on the board or are otherwise unsuited to being one of the main decisi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Advisory board

2016-01-28 Thread Tanvir Rahman
Asaf, thank you for sharing your experience. Your input to this discussion is certainly valuable. And it is not actually what I expected. I believe it would remind the current ED or anyone who is in charge of making a change to this advisory board system. Surely, we need to be more transparent and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Advisory board

2016-01-28 Thread Asaf Bartov
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 10:51 PM, Tanvir Rahman wrote: > As far as I heard, the WMF employees and Board use the advisory board > according to their need. Sometimes they are share their thoughts as a team, > sometimes individually, according to their expertise. > Perhaps they do, and I would cert

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Advisory board

2016-01-28 Thread Anthony Cole
OK. I see "Advisory Board members will be appointed for a term commencing on the day of appointment until the conclusion of the first in-person Board meeting in the following year, unless otherwise declined, revoked or renewed." [1] and no advisory board appointments were made in 2015. [2] So, ther

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Advisory board

2016-01-28 Thread Tanvir Rahman
As far as I heard, the WMF employees and Board use the advisory board according to their need. Sometimes they are share their thoughts as a team, sometimes individually, according to their expertise. I have mentioned to an adviser once that it would be better to have a group submission from the Wi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Advisory board

2016-01-28 Thread Lodewijk
There was a while back actually a question whether it still exists - given that no reappointments have taken place. But from what I heard, the appropriate response would probably be something like "with extreme moderation". Lodewijk On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 7:44 AM, Anthony Cole wrote: > How (a

[Wikimedia-l] WMF Advisory board

2016-01-28 Thread Anthony Cole
How (and how much) does the WMF board of trustees use its advisory board? https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Advisory_Board -- Anthony Cole ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New me

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Italia recognized as OpenStreetMap chapter

2016-01-28 Thread Risker
Well done, all! It is really impressive to see such excellent collaboration between free knowledge open source communities. Everyone should take a bow. Risker/Anne On 28 January 2016 at 23:16, Tito Dutta wrote: > Congratulations. :) > > On 29 January 2016 at 09:12, Katy Love wrote: > > > Con

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Italia recognized as OpenStreetMap chapter

2016-01-28 Thread Tito Dutta
Congratulations. :) On 29 January 2016 at 09:12, Katy Love wrote: > Congrats to WMI and Simone! Glad to hear of your recognition and will be > excited to see what comes next. > > Katy > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 4:51 AM, Lodewijk > wrote: > > > Congratulations Lorenzo, congratulations Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Italia recognized as OpenStreetMap chapter

2016-01-28 Thread Katy Love
Congrats to WMI and Simone! Glad to hear of your recognition and will be excited to see what comes next. Katy On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 4:51 AM, Lodewijk wrote: > Congratulations Lorenzo, congratulations Wikimedia Italia. It was indeed a > long process, and I recall that this question came up - w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-01-28 Thread Pete Forsyth
MZMcBride, that is an *excellent* find -- I had forgotten that it was articulated as a formal policy. I have now updated my blog post on the topic with a link to that email: http://wikistrategies.net/grant-transparency/ Perhaps Lisa can tell us whether that policy was ever rescinded? -Pete [[User

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-01-28 Thread MZMcBride
MZMcBride wrote: >Wes and Katherine: do you know what steps need to be taken in order to >release the documents surrounding this Knight Foundation grant? Or do you >know who at the Wikimedia Foundation would be the best/most appropriate >contact to figure this out? Geoff and the legal team? One of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-01-28 Thread MZMcBride
My guess is that the first step here is to identify who would have access to the Knight Foundation grant application and grant offer paperwork. It's not immediately clear to me who to even ask about this. I'm copying Wes Moran and Katherine Maher of the Wikimedia Foundation on this reply, as he se

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-01-28 Thread Comet styles
Since Jimmy is now also on the board for 'The Guardian', maybe its about time he stepped down from the WMF board? And regarding James, it honestly no longer matters why he was 'fired', its obvious the board is filling up its stocks in google employees (lol) and it won't likely change even after the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was the Wikimedia Foundation's removal of membership in 2006 legal?

2016-01-28 Thread Adam Wight
Hi Florence, Thanks for jumping into this conversation and sharing your illuminating perspective as an "old timer" :-) I wanted to take a moment to also thank you for your initiatives at the time, it's thrilling to imagine what might have happened if more people had taken an interest in your "les

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Italia recognized as OpenStreetMap chapter

2016-01-28 Thread Lodewijk
Congratulations Lorenzo, congratulations Wikimedia Italia. It was indeed a long process, and I recall that this question came up - was it more than five years ago? I'm curious what the coming years will bring, and I trust that you will report back about whether it is a satisfying construction or no

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Italia recognized as OpenStreetMap chapter

2016-01-28 Thread Laurentius
Dear all, after a long process, today Wikimedia Italia has been officially recognized as the Italian OpenStreetMap chapter! OpenStreetMap is a collaborative project that shares the same value as the Wikimedia movement. It's not based on a wiki software and it's not in the Wikimedia family, but fro

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

2016-01-28 Thread Kurt Kulac
+1 Am 28.01.2016 um 13:04 schrieb Josh Lim: Thank you, Patricio, for the heads-up. I’m sure that it must’ve been difficult for everyone, especially those on the Board. It was very honorable of Arnnon to step down in deference to the community, and I hope that while we may be indignant at his

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-01-28 Thread
On 28 January 2016 at 16:12, Andreas Kolbe wrote: ... > So, what does it actually mean when Jimmy Wales says something like this to > the community in response to criticism? > > Do people think this is good governance, secretly admire the Machiavellian > chutzpah, or what? Jimmy Wales has defende

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-01-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Thanks, Anthony. As can be seen from the diff, the discussion at the time went like this: ---o0o--- Given the history, but also the absolute bungling mess and total lack of professionalism that the board has shown since these events, you will find, Jimbo, that there is a significant proportion of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

2016-01-28 Thread Josh Lim
Thank you, Patricio, for the heads-up. I’m sure that it must’ve been difficult for everyone, especially those on the Board. It was very honorable of Arnnon to step down in deference to the community, and I hope that while we may be indignant at his past actions, we can continue to find places

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

2016-01-28 Thread Florence Devouard
Le 28/01/16 07:18, Michael Snow a écrit : On 1/27/2016 1:44 PM, Kat Walsh wrote: Thank you, Patricio. And thank you, Arnnon. I am sure this must have been difficult for you, that you had every intention of bringing your best work to the role, and that your considerable experience and skills wou

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was the Wikimedia Foundation's removal of membership in 2006 legal?

2016-01-28 Thread Florence Devouard
Le 27/01/16 19:30, SarahSV a écrit : On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Florence Devouard wrote: I read you Sarah. Good point. Hmmm. But ianal... I am sure it was discussed back then, but I forgot the details. I contacted Brad on Facebook to suggest him to read the list. Perhaps he might be wi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

2016-01-28 Thread Michael Maggs
Thank you. This was the right thing to do in the circumstances. Michael (writing in my personal capacity) Patricio Lorente wrote: Dear All, Throughout the discussion about the appointment of Arnnon Geshuri to the Board of Trustees, the Board has carefully listened to you and discussed interna

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

2016-01-28 Thread Pete Forsyth
+1 On Jan 27, 2016 10:18 PM, "Michael Snow" wrote: > On 1/27/2016 1:44 PM, Kat Walsh wrote: > >> Thank you, Patricio. >> >> And thank you, Arnnon. I am sure this must have been difficult for >> you, that you had every intention of bringing your best work to the >> role, and that your considerable

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

2016-01-28 Thread philippe
I believe Kat says it well. -- Philippe Beaudette > On Jan 27, 2016, at 1:44 PM, Kat Walsh wrote: > > Thank you, Patricio. > > And thank you, Arnnon. I am sure this must have been difficult for > you, that you had every intention of bringing your best work to the > role, and that your conside