Re: [Wikimedia-l] ombudsmen commission

2012-04-26 Thread Katie Chan

On 25/04/2012 23:50, Casey Brown wrote:


I'm not advocating for anything in particular -- I could care less if
the ombudsman commission made an OTRS queue. It's entirely up to them.
:-)


I knew this was going to happen LOL. When I said you, I wasn't aiming 
it at anyone in particular but making a general statement. Apology for 
any confusion.


KTC

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0

2012-04-26 Thread Michael Peel

On 25 Apr 2012, at 19:29, emijrp wrote:

 2012/4/25 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com
 
 Thanks for sharing, I had read about it on the NYT but nothing was said on
 license.
 So now the USA have more open bibliographic data than Germany/Europe? :)
 lobid.org is a very nice initiative, but other catalog systems have very
 complex interactions between hundreds or thousands of entities and it's
 very hard to change the licenses.
 The main problem is usually deduplication and quality of the records, any
 information on this for Harvard's data?
 
 Mateus Nobre, 25/04/2012 19:44:
 
 Add ALL at Wikisource!
 
 
 Wikisource? This is only metadata.
 
 
 Perhaps it is OK for Wikidata.

A mass dump of all of the information onto Wikisource wouldn't be good - but 
being able to extract complete bibliographies of specific authors on demand 
would actually be quite useful for properly building author pages on 
Wikisource, rather than the current ad-hoc and incomplete lists that currently 
exist. (With the consequence that bibliographies on Wikipedia could be 
'outsourced' to Wikisource, bringing that project much-needed readers and 
editors).

Thanks,
Mike


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on the CISPA drafting process, and its significance to the Wikimedia movement.

2012-04-26 Thread Alec Meta
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
cimonav...@gmail.com wrote:
 There have been drastic changes to the CISPA language, (and
 here drastic is an understatement).
...
 At this point I think *any* action by Wikimedia would be misinterpreted.
 There is no-longer any text there that would affect Wikimedia directly.

I think we should take our cues from the American Library Association.
  Wikimedia is really an outcrop of the Public Library movement.   If
the librarians oppose it, we are on solid ground opposing it to.
Indeed, we can justify our opposition merely by pointing to the ALA's
position--   Librarians are like the Military in the US-- everyone
loves librarians.

Going full black may not be justified, but releasing a statement of
some kind (or a small banner of some kind) might be appropriate.

Also, remember that we are a global organization.  If the US
'legitimizes' universal cyber-surveillance, it could have deep
ramifications for our readers editors living under authoritarian
regimes.  Even if the US is a good steward of these new powers, non-US
users are unlikely to be so lucky.

The language is reportedly in flux.  I strongly suggest taking our
cues from the ALA.   If they librarians oppose it, let us oppose it
too.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0

2012-04-26 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com wrote:
 2012/4/25 emijrp emi...@gmail.com:
 Perhaps it is OK for Wikidata.

 I think it's perfectly OK with Wikidata, and it would be with
 Wikisource (if we had a metadata management system :-).
 As far as I understood, Wikidata will engage sister projects data in
 2015 (i'm gonna cry).

This isn't clear yet. It's unlikely to happen before the end of the
initial development in a year. We still have to see what happens after
that. It might happen before 2015 or not.


Cheers
Lydia

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0

2012-04-26 Thread John Vandenberg
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Lydia Pintscher
lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 2012/4/25 emijrp emi...@gmail.com:
 Perhaps it is OK for Wikidata.

 I think it's perfectly OK with Wikidata, and it would be with
 Wikisource (if we had a metadata management system :-).
 As far as I understood, Wikidata will engage sister projects data in
 2015 (i'm gonna cry).

 This isn't clear yet. It's unlikely to happen before the end of the
 initial development in a year. We still have to see what happens after
 that. It might happen before 2015 or not.

Andrea will run out of tears by 2015. ;-(

Could we have one sister-projects IRC session in the near future?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0

2012-04-26 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:50 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Lydia Pintscher
 lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 2012/4/25 emijrp emi...@gmail.com:
 Perhaps it is OK for Wikidata.

 I think it's perfectly OK with Wikidata, and it would be with
 Wikisource (if we had a metadata management system :-).
 As far as I understood, Wikidata will engage sister projects data in
 2015 (i'm gonna cry).

 This isn't clear yet. It's unlikely to happen before the end of the
 initial development in a year. We still have to see what happens after
 that. It might happen before 2015 or not.

 Andrea will run out of tears by 2015. ;-(

Heh we don't want that to happen obviously.
I have to clarify my previous statement. The team doing the initial
development will mainly be focusing on getting this up and running for
the Wikipedias. (We will obviously keep sister-projects and projects
outside Wikimedia in mind while doing that.) However if people want to
help and work towards bringing Wikidata also to the sister-projects
then that would be welcome from our side. And of course they will be
able to use Wikidata like any other 3rd party as soon as that is
possible.

 Could we have one sister-projects IRC session in the near future?

Questions regarding sister-projects and how they can fit into the
whole Wikidata picture are obviously very welcome at the next office
hours on Monday (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Events). If
there is more demand for it we can also do office hours specifically
for that of course.


Cheers
Lydia

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Community Communications for Wikidata

Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
Obentrautstr. 72
10963 Berlin
www.wikimedia.de

Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.

Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
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Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0

2012-04-26 Thread Craig Franklin
Firstly, let me say this is very very cool news.

I went to go and have a browse though, and it's all tied up in a
massive (around 3gb) archive file rather than being easily browsable.
I know that WikiData is the obvious place to put it, but perhaps it
would be useful as a reference work on Wikisource in its own right,
decompressed and machine formatted into an easier to search format?

Cheers,
Craig

On 25 Apr 2012, at 19:29, emijrp wrote:
 2012/4/25 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki at gmail.com

 Thanks for sharing, I had read about it on the NYT but nothing was said on
 license.
 So now the USA have more open bibliographic data than Germany/Europe? :)
 lobid.org is a very nice initiative, but other catalog systems have very
 complex interactions between hundreds or thousands of entities and it's
 very hard to change the licenses.
 The main problem is usually deduplication and quality of the records, any
 information on this for Harvard's data?

 Mateus Nobre, 25/04/2012 19:44:

 Add ALL at Wikisource!


 Wikisource? This is only metadata.


 Perhaps it is OK for Wikidata.
A mass dump of all of the information onto Wikisource wouldn't be good
- but being able to extract complete bibliographies of specific
authors on demand would actually be quite useful for properly building
author pages on Wikisource, rather than the current ad-hoc and
incomplete lists that currently exist. (With the consequence that
bibliographies on Wikipedia could be 'outsourced' to Wikisource,
bringing that project much-needed readers and editors).
Thanks,
Mike

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0

2012-04-26 Thread Andrea Zanni
 I think it's perfectly OK with Wikidata, and it would be with
 Wikisource (if we had a metadata management system :-).
 As far as I understood, Wikidata will engage sister projects data in
 2015 (i'm gonna cry).

 This isn't clear yet. It's unlikely to happen before the end of the
 initial development in a year. We still have to see what happens after
 that. It might happen before 2015 or not.

 Andrea will run out of tears by 2015. ;-(

 Heh we don't want that to happen obviously.

I'm not crying yet :-)

 .. if people want to
 help and work towards bringing Wikidata also to the sister-projects
 then that would be welcome from our side. And of course they will be
 able to use Wikidata like any other 3rd party as soon as that is
 possible.

Thank you Lydia for your reply,
I would be definetely good to be be in touch with the WikiData team as
sister projects users.

 I have to clarify my previous statement. The team doing the initial
 development will mainly be focusing on getting this up and running for
 the Wikipedias. (We will obviously keep sister-projects and projects
 outside Wikimedia in mind while doing that.)

I know this won't change anything, and I know that I'm very biased,
but let me unburden just this time. :-)

It seems to me that it would be more logical, for a start, to work
on a simpler and well-defined framework for meta/data.

Wikisource just need a way to manage bibliographic metadata:
it could use Dublin Core, as a standard, fetch its data from Commons,
and maybe use OAI-PMH as a protocol. Of course, it needs the technical
infrastructure for manage data.
Commons would be the repository for both data and scans, and the data
could be taken from Author and Books template.
It seems to me that this metadata issue, in both Commons and
Wiksource, wouldn't need gazillions hours of work,
but I guess it has always been low priority (not your fault of course,
but still here we are)

I know that working on Wikipedia has a much broader reach,
so it's OK.

I just wanted to say this louder :-)

 Could we have one sister-projects IRC session in the near future?

 Questions regarding sister-projects and how they can fit into the
 whole Wikidata picture are obviously very welcome at the next office
 hours on Monday (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Events). If
 there is more demand for it we can also do office hours specifically
 for that of course.

I'll try to participate and understand better what you are going to do.
Thanks for the info.

Aubrey

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0

2012-04-26 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think it's perfectly OK with Wikidata, and it would be with
 Wikisource (if we had a metadata management system :-).
 As far as I understood, Wikidata will engage sister projects data in
 2015 (i'm gonna cry).

 This isn't clear yet. It's unlikely to happen before the end of the
 initial development in a year. We still have to see what happens after
 that. It might happen before 2015 or not.

 Andrea will run out of tears by 2015. ;-(

 Heh we don't want that to happen obviously.

 I'm not crying yet :-)

Puh... Good ;-)

 .. if people want to
 help and work towards bringing Wikidata also to the sister-projects
 then that would be welcome from our side. And of course they will be
 able to use Wikidata like any other 3rd party as soon as that is
 possible.

 Thank you Lydia for your reply,
 I would be definetely good to be be in touch with the WikiData team as
 sister projects users.

Sounds good. Do try to come to the office hours.

 I have to clarify my previous statement. The team doing the initial
 development will mainly be focusing on getting this up and running for
 the Wikipedias. (We will obviously keep sister-projects and projects
 outside Wikimedia in mind while doing that.)

 I know this won't change anything, and I know that I'm very biased,
 but let me unburden just this time. :-)

 It seems to me that it would be more logical, for a start, to work
 on a simpler and well-defined framework for meta/data.

 Wikisource just need a way to manage bibliographic metadata:
 it could use Dublin Core, as a standard, fetch its data from Commons,
 and maybe use OAI-PMH as a protocol. Of course, it needs the technical
 infrastructure for manage data.
 Commons would be the repository for both data and scans, and the data
 could be taken from Author and Books template.
 It seems to me that this metadata issue, in both Commons and
 Wiksource, wouldn't need gazillions hours of work,
 but I guess it has always been low priority (not your fault of course,
 but still here we are)

 I know that working on Wikipedia has a much broader reach,
 so it's OK.

 I just wanted to say this louder :-)

As far as I understand it it shouldn't be a problem to store data from
the Author and Books template for example in Wikidata and use it (if
the community agrees that this is something that should be stored
there). Daniel said it needs a bit of modification on the client
extension that someone would need to do though.

 Could we have one sister-projects IRC session in the near future?

 Questions regarding sister-projects and how they can fit into the
 whole Wikidata picture are obviously very welcome at the next office
 hours on Monday (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Events). If
 there is more demand for it we can also do office hours specifically
 for that of course.

 I'll try to participate and understand better what you are going to do.
 Thanks for the info.

Great. Let me know if you have more questions.


Cheers
Lydia

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Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
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10963 Berlin
www.wikimedia.de

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