Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Sue Gardner
We've been getting a ton of positive response to the banners this year. I was at Newsfoo this weekend and a half-dozen people told me they donated this year for the first time, because they liked the banners' factual tone. I asked them if they found them ugly and they said yes, but that they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 12:08 AM, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: The campaign this year is hugely effective. The banners are smaller and the campaign will be significantly shorter than in previous years, and yet we will raise more money: that's excellent. I think the change that's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 December 2012 09:04, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: For easier comparability of the two banner behaviors - Activation on hover (current behavior): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Lorenzo?banner=B12_5C_120216_SuperCondensed_Hover ... yeah, that's the sort of behaviour that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Magnus Manske
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:10 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 December 2012 09:04, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: For easier comparability of the two banner behaviors - Activation on hover (current behavior):

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 December 2012 10:09, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:10 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: ... yeah, that's the sort of behaviour that inspires ad-blockers. Wouldn't be quite so bad if they shrunk again when you moved the mouse out of the

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Polska annual report

2012-12-03 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
Hi, We just published on meta our yeary report (November 2011-Novemeber 2012): https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Polska/November_2011-November-2012 Cheers, -- Tomek Polimerek Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Österreich - General Assembly

2012-12-03 Thread Manuel Schneider
Dear all, last weekend Wikimedia Österreich (Austria) had its General Assembly in Linz. A new board has been elected: * President: Kurt Kulac (as before) * Vice President: Alexander Wagner (new) - Christoph Breitler didn't recandidate * Secretary: Beppo Stuhl (as before) * Vice Secretary:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread phoebe ayers
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:10 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 December 2012 09:04, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: For easier comparability of the two banner behaviors - Activation on hover

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, After all the experience and A/B-testing, I have confidence in the banners. My personal taste wouldn't matter. Kind regards Ziko 2012/12/3 phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com: On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:10

[Wikimedia-l] Please have a look at the new list of successful grant applications!

2012-12-03 Thread John Andersson
Hi everybody, Today I created a page on Outreach called List of successful grant applications. I hope that you will add your Chapter's success stories there! Based on what grant applications we know have worked in other countries we can copy the successful ones when we apply for external

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please have a look at the new list of successful grant applications!

2012-12-03 Thread Florence Devouard
For the lazy: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_successful_grant_applications Practically, I think big tables should be limited to cases where there isnt a huge amount of text to read. The summary column is hard to read. Flo On 12/3/12 5:49 PM, John Andersson wrote: Hi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Mono
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nlwrote: Hello, After all the experience and A/B-testing, I have confidence in the banners. My personal taste wouldn't matter. Kind regards Ziko Yes, but brighter doesn't mean better. The A/B testing results apparently show

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Pavel Richter
the thing we are selling to people As I see it, we are not *selling *anything. Wikimedia provides a free encyclopedia to the public, and it promotes Free Knowledge worldwide. For this, we ask for donations, during a limited time each year, and with very humble messaging and banners. We do not have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 3 December 2012 20:11, Pavel Richter pavel.rich...@wikimedia.de wrote: the thing we are selling to people As I see it, we are not *selling *anything. Wikimedia provides a free encyclopedia to the public, and it promotes Free Knowledge worldwide. For this, we ask for donations, during a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 December 2012 20:11, Pavel Richter pavel.rich...@wikimedia.de wrote: the thing we are selling to people As I see it, we are not *selling *anything. Wikimedia provides a free encyclopedia to the public, and it promotes Free Knowledge worldwide. For this, we ask for donations, during a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Michael Snow
On 12/3/2012 12:25 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: On 3 December 2012 20:11, Pavel Richter pavel.rich...@wikimedia.de wrote: the thing we are selling to people As I see it, we are not *selling *anything. Wikimedia provides a free encyclopedia to the public, and it promotes Free Knowledge worldwide.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Zack Exley
Thanks for these comments everyone. I hate the auto-expanding and sticking banners too! But before I get into the discussion about banners, I want to deliver some good news: After eight days of banners, we're free to take them down completely until Dec 26th, when we'll re-launch for a final 6-day

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF narrowing focus (was Re: Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 105, Issue 1)

2012-12-03 Thread ENWP Pine
Thanks Sue. I am cautious when there are specific cuts such as Fellowships in exchange for indeterminate benefits. That makes a cost-benefit analysis difficult to do. Maybe this is a good tradeoff, but from the information that's publicly available, I'm still particularly concerned about the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks for the detailed thoughts, Zack! Did we run banners on the sister projects as well? It would also be great to experiment with running targeted banner messages and presentations on the sister projects, particularly Commons and Wiktionary, to see what the visitor response is like. We've

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Brandon Harris
I, for one, think this is totally awesome news. Snt frm my iPhne On Dec 3, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Zack Exley zex...@wikimedia.org wrote: After eight days of banners, we're free to take them down completely until Dec 26th, when we'll re-launch for a final 6-day push. That would mean a total of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Zack Exley
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the detailed thoughts, Zack! Did we run banners on the sister projects as well? This year, we haven't so far. It would also be great to experiment with running targeted banner messages and presentations on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Tim Starling
On 03/12/12 20:04, Erik Moeller wrote: Activation on hover (current behavior): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Lorenzo?banner=B12_5C_120216_SuperCondensed_Hover If you ignore the banner and scroll down, then later accidentally move the cursor over the banner, the article scrolls up to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Zack Exley
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On 03/12/12 20:04, Erik Moeller wrote: Activation on hover (current behavior): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Lorenzo?banner=B12_5C_120216_SuperCondensed_Hover If you ignore the banner and scroll down, then

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Samuel Klein
Brandon Harris writes: I, for one, think this is totally awesome news. It is indeed! Zack Exley zex...@wikimedia.org wrote: This is one of our opportunities each year to rejoice in the work of the projects, get feedback, and hold a large-scale barnraising for the coming year's work.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] putting profit before knowledge

2012-12-03 Thread Samuel Klein
Thank you -- that's a fantastic series of essays. Fair use and fair dealing deserves support, even as we strive to replace non-free learning materials with free ones. On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Gautam John gkj...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:48 AM, Thomas Dalton

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please have a look at the new list of successful grant applications!

2012-12-03 Thread Risker
On 3 December 2012 11:49, John Andersson john.anders...@wikimedia.sewrote: Hi everybody, Today I created a page on Outreach called List of successful grant applications. I hope that you will add your Chapter's success stories there! Based on what grant applications we know have worked