Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please have a look at the new list of successful grant applications!

2012-12-03 Thread Risker
On 3 December 2012 11:49, John Andersson wrote: > > Hi everybody, > > Today I created a page on Outreach called List of successful grant > applications. I hope that you will add your Chapter's success stories there! > > > Based > on what grant applications we know have worked in other countries w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "putting profit before knowledge"

2012-12-03 Thread Samuel Klein
Thank you -- that's a fantastic series of essays. Fair use and fair dealing deserves support, even as we strive to replace non-free learning materials with free ones. On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Gautam John wrote: > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:48 AM, Thomas Dalton > wrote: > > > Mass copyrig

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Samuel Klein
Brandon Harris writes: > I, for one, think this is totally awesome news. It is indeed! Zack Exley wrote: > > This is one of our opportunities each year to rejoice in the work > > of the projects, get feedback, and hold a large-scale barnraising for > > the coming year's work. It's good to red

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "putting profit before knowledge"

2012-12-03 Thread Gautam John
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:48 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > Mass copyright violation for profit... hard to defend, really. There is a little more to it than just this. " in India there are two important provisions which allow for educational exceptions. Sec. 52(1)(i) allows for ‘the reproduction of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "putting profit before knowledge"

2012-12-03 Thread Victor Grigas
They could learn something from Mr. Ndubane: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Impact_of_Wikipedia_Dumisani_Ndubane.webm On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > Mass copyright violation for profit... hard to defend, really. > > Don't they have libraries? > > On 4 December

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Zack Exley
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Tim Starling wrote: > On 03/12/12 20:04, Erik Moeller wrote: > > Activation on hover (current behavior): > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Lorenzo?banner=B12_5C_120216_SuperCondensed_Hover > > If you ignore the banner and scroll down, then later accidenta

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Tim Starling
On 03/12/12 20:04, Erik Moeller wrote: > Activation on hover (current behavior): > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Lorenzo?banner=B12_5C_120216_SuperCondensed_Hover If you ignore the banner and scroll down, then later accidentally move the cursor over the banner, the article scrolls up to t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "putting profit before knowledge"

2012-12-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
Mass copyright violation for profit... hard to defend, really. Don't they have libraries? On 4 December 2012 00:07, Richard Symonds wrote: > I was going to send this just to comcom, but I think all of us should read > it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20576409 > > A small shop in De

[Wikimedia-l] "putting profit before knowledge"

2012-12-03 Thread Richard Symonds
I was going to send this just to comcom, but I think all of us should read it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20576409 A small shop in Delhi is being sued for copyright infringement, for copying academic textbooks for students. The action is being taken by three leading international

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Zack Exley
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Samuel Klein wrote: > Thanks for the detailed thoughts, Zack! > > Did we run banners on the sister projects as well? > This year, we haven't so far. > It would also be great to experiment with running targeted banner messages > and presentations on the sister pr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Brandon Harris
I, for one, think this is totally awesome news. Snt frm my iPhne On Dec 3, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Zack Exley wrote: > After eight days of banners, we're free to take them down > completely until Dec 26th, when we'll re-launch for a final 6-day push. > That would mean a total of about 14 full days

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks for the detailed thoughts, Zack! Did we run banners on the sister projects as well? It would also be great to experiment with running targeted banner messages and presentations on the sister projects, particularly Commons and Wiktionary, to see what the visitor response is like. We've certa

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF narrowing focus (was Re: Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 105, Issue 1)

2012-12-03 Thread ENWP Pine
Thanks Sue. I am cautious when there are specific cuts such as Fellowships in exchange for indeterminate benefits. That makes a cost-benefit analysis difficult to do. Maybe this is a good tradeoff, but from the information that's publicly available, I'm still particularly concerned about the l

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Winners Announced in World's Largest Photo Contest, Wiki Loves Monuments

2012-12-03 Thread Jay Walsh
(This release is also posted online at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Announcement_of_Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012_winners) *Winners Announced in World’s Largest Photo Contest, Wiki Loves Monuments **International jury selects top 15 photos from more than 350,000 photos worldwide

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Zack Exley
Thanks for these comments everyone. I hate the auto-expanding and sticking banners too! But before I get into the discussion about banners, I want to deliver some good news: After eight days of banners, we're free to take them down completely until Dec 26th, when we'll re-launch for a final 6-day

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Michael Snow
On 12/3/2012 12:25 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: On 3 December 2012 20:11, Pavel Richter wrote: "the thing we are selling to people" As I see it, we are not *selling *anything. Wikimedia provides a free encyclopedia to the public, and it promotes Free Knowledge worldwide. For this, we ask for donati

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 December 2012 20:11, Pavel Richter wrote: > "the thing we are selling to people" As I see it, we are not *selling > *anything. > Wikimedia provides a free encyclopedia to the public, and it promotes Free > Knowledge worldwide. For this, we ask for donations, during a limited time > each year

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 3 December 2012 20:11, Pavel Richter wrote: > "the thing we are selling to people" As I see it, we are not *selling > *anything. > Wikimedia provides a free encyclopedia to the public, and it promotes Free > Knowledge worldwide. For this, we ask for donations, during a limited time > each year,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Pavel Richter
"the thing we are selling to people" As I see it, we are not *selling *anything. Wikimedia provides a free encyclopedia to the public, and it promotes Free Knowledge worldwide. For this, we ask for donations, during a limited time each year, and with very humble messaging and banners. We do not hav

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Mono
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > Hello, > After all the experience and A/B-testing, I have confidence in the > banners. My personal taste wouldn't matter. > Kind regards > Ziko > Yes, but brighter doesn't mean better. The A/B testing results apparently show a small differenc

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please have a look at the new list of successful grant applications!

2012-12-03 Thread Florence Devouard
For the lazy: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_successful_grant_applications Practically, I think big tables should be limited to cases where there isnt a huge amount of text to read. The summary column is hard to read. Flo On 12/3/12 5:49 PM, John Andersson wrote: Hi everybod

[Wikimedia-l] Please have a look at the new list of successful grant applications!

2012-12-03 Thread John Andersson
Hi everybody, Today I created a page on Outreach called List of successful grant applications. I hope that you will add your Chapter's success stories there! Based on what grant applications we know have worked in other countries we can copy the successful ones when we apply for external fu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, After all the experience and A/B-testing, I have confidence in the banners. My personal taste wouldn't matter. Kind regards Ziko 2012/12/3 phoebe ayers : > On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Magnus Manske > wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:10 AM, David Gerard wrote: >> >>> On 3 December 2

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread phoebe ayers
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Magnus Manske wrote: > On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:10 AM, David Gerard wrote: > >> On 3 December 2012 09:04, Erik Moeller wrote: >> >> > For easier comparability of the two banner behaviors - >> > Activation on hover (current behavior): >> > >> https://en.wikipedia.o

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Österreich - General Assembly

2012-12-03 Thread Manuel Schneider
Dear all, last weekend Wikimedia Österreich (Austria) had its General Assembly in Linz. A new board has been elected: * President: Kurt Kulac (as before) * Vice President: Alexander Wagner (new) - Christoph Breitler didn't recandidate * Secretary: Beppo Stuhl (as before) * Vice Secretary: Micha

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Polska annual report

2012-12-03 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
Hi, We just published on meta our yeary report (November 2011-Novemeber 2012): https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Polska/November_2011-November-2012 Cheers, -- Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ htt

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 December 2012 10:09, Magnus Manske wrote: > On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:10 AM, David Gerard wrote: >> ... yeah, that's the sort of behaviour that inspires ad-blockers. > Wouldn't be quite so bad if they shrunk again when you moved the mouse out > of the ad/form region... Still adblocker-ins

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Magnus Manske
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:10 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 3 December 2012 09:04, Erik Moeller wrote: > > > For easier comparability of the two banner behaviors - > > Activation on hover (current behavior): > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Lorenzo?banner=B12_5C_120216_SuperCondensed_Ho

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 December 2012 09:04, Erik Moeller wrote: > For easier comparability of the two banner behaviors - > Activation on hover (current behavior): > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Lorenzo?banner=B12_5C_120216_SuperCondensed_Hover ... yeah, that's the sort of behaviour that inspires ad-blo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: > I think the change that's pointed out in this thread is that the > banners that were running as of this weekend(?) expand to take up > about more than 2x the vertical size with an in-banner donation form > even if you just move your mouse ove

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 12:08 AM, Sue Gardner wrote: > The campaign this year is hugely effective. The banners are smaller and the > campaign will be significantly shorter than in previous years, and yet we > will raise more money: that's excellent. I think the change that's pointed out in this th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Sue Gardner
We've been getting a ton of positive response to the banners this year. I was at Newsfoo this weekend and a half-dozen people told me they donated this year for the first time, because they liked the banners' factual tone. I asked them if they found them ugly and they said yes, but that they didn't