Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Somebody Will"

[David Cuenca]

Hi Sumana,

The interpretation could be better, the melody could be merrier, and still,
I liked the lyrics. Thanks for sharing!

Seeing this I wonder if it would be possible for the WM movement to gain
more presence, or better said, some presence in the cultural creation
world. For instance, if sci-fi authors were given the task of imagining a
wiki-world where free knowledge thrives... what would it look like?
Or some criminal story, where edit wars go too far... :)

I loved the xkcd fundraising campaign and I hope that there are more PR
actions that not only focus on fundraising, but also in nurturing directly
the cultural presence. Is it happening? Would it be wanted?

Cheers,
Micru

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Sumana Harihareswara
wrote:

> Cynics, skip this message!
>
> http://www.sassafrassmusic.com/songs/sci-fi-fantasy-fandom/somebody-will/
>
> I came across this sentimental song about "a world of encouragement and
> productivity, in which everyone is encouraged to create, support and
> work toward ideals" and it reminded me of our shared mission, so I
> wanted to share it with you.
> -Sumana
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan

[Tilman Bayer]

The EFF reports that this announcement by Taiwanese Wikimedians does
appear to have had an effect:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/06/taiwanese-users-thwart-government-plans-introduce-internet-blacklist-law

"Taiwanese users were going to stage an Internet black out on Tuesday
June 4th. Several websites, including Wikipedia Taiwan and Mozilla
Taiwan pledged to go dark in order to raise awareness. ... After
several news outlets reported that the new initiative was akin to
mainland China’s “Great Firewall,” the Taiwanese intellectual property
office made an effort to reject the comparison ... In the face of
these criticisms and the planned blackout, the Taiwan Intellectual
Property Office abandoned this severe copyright law."


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Ted Chien  wrote:
> My dear colleagues,
>
> Recently on May 21 the Taiwan Intellectual Property Office has announced
> that they will amend the Copyright Act to demand local ISPs to block
> illegal contents on foreign websites, just like the SOPA bill in USA last
> year. For more information, you can read the following news reports:
>
> Focus Taiwan:
> http://focustaiwan.tw/news/aall/201305210035.aspx
>
> ZDNet:
> http://www.zdnet.com/cn/taiwans-copyright-act-amendment-proposal-comes-under-fire-715943/
>
> Now there are many Taiwan netizens protesting the bill:
>
> http://globalvoicesonline.org/2013/05/26/netizens-fear-copyright-amendment-will-bring-web-filter-system-to-taiwan/
>
> But today we just see an news that TIPO just ignored these protests and
> insist that this bill will not harm the net freedom and rights of general
> users:
>
> http://newtalk.tw/news/2013/05/28/36854.html (it's in Chinese, you may use
> Google translate to read the news.)
>
> Indeed we should protect the copyright, but to ask ISPs to block websites
> is too over-reaction.
>
> We Wikimedia Taiwan is now against the bill and has just released an
> Chinese announcement on our official website to explain why we against the
> bill and ask the government to stop the act:
>
> http://bit.ly/ZbvTX0
>
> We also started an discussion on zh.wp to ask the community if we could put
> the announcement as an global site notice, we even think about blackout
> zh.wp for 24 hours (the date is still in discussion):
>
> http://goo.gl/fXi8g
>
> This is because according to Alexa.com (http://Alexa.com), Wikipedia is now
> the top 10 website in Taiwan. To blackout Wikipedia in Taiwan should get
> the attention of TIPO and has some effects.
>
> My questions are:
>
> * Could we ask for blackout Wikipedia (not just zh.wp) ONLY for Taiwan IP?
> (Some users from China hope this blackout will not effect them)
> * If we could not blackout Wikipedia only for Taiwan IP, could we ask to
> blackout zh.wp? (from what we have discussed on zh.wp, the Chinese
> community has agreed on such blackout, but the date is still on discussion)
> * If we could implement such blackout, how soon it can be done?
> * What suggestions from you that we should do as an local Chapter?
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Ted Chien
> Chairman
> Wikimedia Taiwan
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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Request for your thoughts on updating the Wikimedia trademark policy and practices

[Geoff Brigham]

*

Hi all,


In the Legal and Community Advocacy team, we would like to open a community
discussion about our trademark policy and practices.  In our view, they can
be clarified, and we want to hear your thoughts on updating them in a way
that reflects the values of the community. Our trademark policy and
practices should facilitate the broadest possible uses of the Wikimedia
trademarks to further our
mission[1].
At the same time, they also need to preserve the trademarks that
represent the hard work of the community.

An introductory statement posted
here[2]
is meant to launch this discussion and to invite you to share your
ideas on the talk
page[3]
as to how you would like us to approach this question. If we may ask,
please repost the statement widely on our projects and translate it into
multiple languages,
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trademark_practices_discussion [2], so that
as many as possible can participate in the discussion.


Based on your comments, we intend to draft a new trademark policy and share
it with you for your input, as we did with the Terms of
Use[4]. We expect
this process to take several months as we hear different
points of view and work together to prepare a potential new policy. Our
hope is that this could be the most collaborative, creative, and
international drafting of a trademark policy to date.

As always, we are grateful for your help and wisdom.

Geoff & Yana


Geoff Brigham 

General Counsel


Yana Welinder 

Legal Counsel

Wikimedia Foundation

References: *
*

[1]  https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mission_statement
**

[2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trademark_practices_discussion
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[3] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Trademark_practices_discussion
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[4] http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/12/31/terms-of-use/
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Somebody Will"

[Fred Bauder]

> Also, classic Marxism. Draw your own conclusions and parallels as you see
> fit.

Oh, didn't know if anyone else would see that:

http://en.communpedia.org/Lyrics:Somebody_Will

Fred



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Minutes from the April 18-19, 2013 Board Meeting

[Sue Gardner]

On 1 June 2013 13:20, Frédéric Schütz  wrote:
> I also see under "Fundraising Agreements" that "Sue updated the Board on the
> chapter fundraising agreements for 2013-14".
>
> Is it possible to know more about this ? As a board member in a fundraising
> chapter, I don't remember hearing anything about the 2013-14 fundraising
> agreements so far, so I'm obviously curious about the updates...

It was just a status report, Frédéric, a brief verbal update. What I
said about WMCH was something to the effect of "WMCH is in compliance
with our agreements, and their participation in the 2012-13 campaign
went fine. At this point, we expect them to payment-process again in
2013-14." Something to that effect.

If we'd had a more extensive discussion about WMCH, as a WMCH Board
member you would know it already :-)

Thanks,
Sue

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Somebody Will"

[Martijn Hoekstra]

On Jun 3, 2013 2:17 PM, "Sumana Harihareswara" 
wrote:
>
> Cynics, skip this message!
>
> http://www.sassafrassmusic.com/songs/sci-fi-fantasy-fandom/somebody-will/
>
> I came across this sentimental song about "a world of encouragement and
> productivity, in which everyone is encouraged to create, support and
> work toward ideals" and it reminded me of our shared mission,

Also, classic Marxism. Draw your own conclusions and parallels as you see
fit.

so I
> wanted to share it with you.
> -Sumana
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo

[Peter Southwood]

In case anyone was so misguided at to think that I object to WTO protecting 
their logo per se. That is NOT my point, and never was. My point is that the 
WTO logo and WV logo are not easily confused. I asked a simple question 
about what the specifics of the complaint were, which has still not been 
answered. Instead the query has been brushed under the carpet and a 
pointless quibbling has ensued.
I give up in frustration. Asking a simple question on this list appears to 
be a complete wate of effort.

Peter Southwood

- Original Message - 
From: "Ziko van Dijk" 

To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" 
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo


Indeed, and what if the Wikimedia movement looks after its own logos, 
would

that be bullying too? :-)
I remember a site with a name like "Wikithistown" (with "Thistown" being
the name of a specific city) with the self-description: "Wikithistown is
the Wikipedia of Thistown", using also the Wikipedia logo. A Wikimedia
representative asked the site makers friendly to reconsider the wording 
and

the use of the logo, and they did.
But some Wikipedia volunteers were very pissed off, because "those people
in Thistown are nice and do good things". This has never been disputed, 
but

to avoid confusion in the age of Wikileaks it is really important to make
clear who is what and who.
Kind regards
Ziko





Ziko van Dijk
voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland
deputy chair Wikimedia Chapters Association Council

Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland
Postbus 167
3500 AD Utrecht
http://wikimedia.nl



2013/6/3 Katie Chan 


On 03/06/2013 10:49, Ziko van Dijk wrote:


The case already cost money to the WMF, because of the time invested by
our
legal counsel. As with the Loriot stamps and the office action then, 
it's
not worth to loose (even more) money for it. That might look different 
in

a
different legal system and with better odds.
I am not quite happy with making this a moral question about 'standing 
up

to bullies', Peter. If you want to fight bullying, there is a lot to do
within the Wikipedia editing community...
Kind regards
Ziko


This has already been raised in this thread, but I want to emphaise can 
we

please not equate everyone who enforces their trademarks as bullies. If a
trademark holder do not enforces their trademark, they lose the 
trademark.

Enforcing ones trademark is what a trademark holder is suppose to do. Now
we can argue that the WTO is being overly broad in their interpretation 
of
the similarity between the two logos, then the question becomes whether 
the

Wikivoyage logo is worth spending the money fighting over.

KTC

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Taxonomy is not the thing that occupies me. It is however something I have
experience with.. Everyone who knows anything about the taxonomy of plants
can confirm that a taxon without publishing details is incomplete.
Thanks,
  Gerard


On 3 June 2013 17:03, Magnus Manske  wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Gerard Meijssen
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Really, taxonomy is tricky. FYI I have an 80 MB database with ONLY cacti
> > and succulents. I learned a lot in the process.
> >
> > So, have you imported that to Wikidata yet?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies

[Magnus Manske]

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Gerard Meijssen
wrote:

>
> Really, taxonomy is tricky. FYI I have an 80 MB database with ONLY cacti
> and succulents. I learned a lot in the process.
>
> So, have you imported that to Wikidata yet?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
This is great fun ...

However from the perspective of taxonomy this is not complete at all. What
is lacking are the names of the authors and the date of publication. Even
this can be insufficient because there are instances where a description
with the same name by the same people happened in the same year and in the
same publication.

Really, taxonomy is tricky. FYI I have an 80 MB database with ONLY cacti
and succulents. I learned a lot in the process.
Thanks,
  GerardM


On 3 June 2013 15:23, Magnus Manske  wrote:

> Or just get the entire taxonomy for a species quickly:
> http://208.80.153.172/wdq/?q=tree[4504][171,273,75,76,77,70,71,74,89]
>
> Cheers,
> Magnus
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Nik Everett 
> wrote:
>
> > I promise I'll get to looking at wikidata's search sometime!  I sure
> don't
> > know when that time will be but I'll get to it!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jun 3, 2013, at 6:01 AM, "Federico Leva (Nemo)" 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Nikola Smolenski, 03/06/2013 11:44:
> > >> What if this interface would exist? I believe it could be made really
> > >> quickly and easily.
> > >
> > > It's not about interface only, for instance the search backend is
> > completely broken and useless for Wikidata, AFAICS.
> > > From what I understand, the interface for Wikidata data is provided by
> > client sites such as Wikipedia. There are no plans for inclusion of
> > Wikispecies as client site, but if/when Wikispecies' needs are
> implemented
> > this doesn't imply Wikispecies would be useless, rather that it would
> have
> > easier access to data and could focus on its scope i.e. presenting such
> > data. Currently it tries to do both and IMHO fails at both.
> > >
> > > Nemo
> > >
> > > P.s.: There are also connected problems like sv.wiki becoming a
> > Wikispecies/Wikidata on its own with a million species bot-entries, but
> > it's another story.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies

[Magnus Manske]

Or just get the entire taxonomy for a species quickly:
http://208.80.153.172/wdq/?q=tree[4504][171,273,75,76,77,70,71,74,89]

Cheers,
Magnus


On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Nik Everett  wrote:

> I promise I'll get to looking at wikidata's search sometime!  I sure don't
> know when that time will be but I'll get to it!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 3, 2013, at 6:01 AM, "Federico Leva (Nemo)" 
> wrote:
>
> > Nikola Smolenski, 03/06/2013 11:44:
> >> What if this interface would exist? I believe it could be made really
> >> quickly and easily.
> >
> > It's not about interface only, for instance the search backend is
> completely broken and useless for Wikidata, AFAICS.
> > From what I understand, the interface for Wikidata data is provided by
> client sites such as Wikipedia. There are no plans for inclusion of
> Wikispecies as client site, but if/when Wikispecies' needs are implemented
> this doesn't imply Wikispecies would be useless, rather that it would have
> easier access to data and could focus on its scope i.e. presenting such
> data. Currently it tries to do both and IMHO fails at both.
> >
> > Nemo
> >
> > P.s.: There are also connected problems like sv.wiki becoming a
> Wikispecies/Wikidata on its own with a million species bot-entries, but
> it's another story.
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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimania-l] Proposed prohibition of local uploads and deletion of non-free-licence working documents of Wikimedia events

[Deryck Chan]

Following this discussion up, I've proposed an exemption doctrine policy
for Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Exemption_doctrine_policy

On 29 May 2013 17:24, Nathan  wrote:

> Crossed to Wikimedia-l, see Deryck's e-mail below.
>
> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Deryck Chan 
> wrote:
> > Dear Wikimania community,
> >
> > There are currently two discussions on Meta which will have a fundamental
> > impact on the technical logistics of all future Wikimania bids.
> >
> > As many of you would know, working documents of Wikimania bids, such as
> > letters of support and venue information, are conventionally uploaded to
> > Meta locally because they don't come with a Commons-compatible free
> licence.
> > However, currently there's no explicit "exemption doctrine policy" on
> Meta,
> > so two discussions are ongoing, with the aim of deleting all
> > Wikimania-related non-free files which have been uploaded in the past
> > years[1], and to ban future uploads of non-free media to Meta including
> > Wikimedia events' working documents[2].
> >
> > [1]
> >
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_deletion#All_files_in_Category:Unfree_Wikimania_bid_media_files
> > [2]
> >
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Babel#Restrict_or_abolish_local_file_uploading_to_Meta-Wiki
> >
> > Since this would mean future Wikimania bids may not include copies of
> > third-party working documents on Meta, these proposals will change the
> > logistics of Wikimania bids completely. I therefore urge all of you to
> > scrutinise the proposed changes and comment as appropriate.
> >
> > Deryck
> > WM2013 local team
> >
> > PS. To those of you who also run chapters: the proposed changes will mean
> > that chapter financial statements may not be uploaded to / will be
> deleted
> > from WMF-hosted wikis since they're have an implicit no-derivative
> > requirement.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo

[Maggie Dennis]

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:

> On 03.06.2013 14:29, David Gerard wrote:
>
>> On 3 June 2013 13:22, Lionel Allorge (lionel.allo...@lunerouge.org)
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  If it is so urgent, why start a new contest ?
>>> It would be a lot faster to take the second best choice from the first
>>> contest.
>>>
>>
>>
>> This was the obvious thing that occurred to me too. I assume there was
>> a reason why not?
>>
>>
>> - d.
>>
>>
> This particular question is being discussed in detail on Meta for I
> believe a couple of days.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
>

Indeed. Lovely to have more people in that discussion, if you'd like to
join in. :)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo

[Yaroslav M. Blanter]

On 03.06.2013 14:29, David Gerard wrote:

On 3 June 2013 13:22, Lionel Allorge (lionel.allo...@lunerouge.org)
 wrote:


If it is so urgent, why start a new contest ?
It would be a lot faster to take the second best choice from the 
first contest.



This was the obvious thing that occurred to me too. I assume there was
a reason why not?


- d.



This particular question is being discussed in detail on Meta for I 
believe a couple of days.


Cheers
Yaroslav

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo

[David Gerard]

On 3 June 2013 13:22, Lionel Allorge (lionel.allo...@lunerouge.org)
 wrote:

> If it is so urgent, why start a new contest ?
> It would be a lot faster to take the second best choice from the first 
> contest.


This was the obvious thing that occurred to me too. I assume there was
a reason why not?


- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo

[Lionel Allorge (lionel.allo...@lunerouge.org)]

Hi,

> Sometime in the next couple of weeks, we will need to launch a contest for
> the new Wikivoyage logo, but first I'm hoping to get feedback and
> assistance in making the best process for that possible. We had been
> considering ways to optimize logo selection by the community, with the idea
> that we would have plenty of time to talk about the process before needing
> it. Unfortunately, we now need something quite quickly. Accordingly, I'd be
> really grateful for feedback on the process, which has been posted here:
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Logo_contest_procedure
> 
> You can read a little more about it here:
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Logo_contest_procedure

If it is so urgent, why start a new contest ?
It would be a lot faster to take the second best choice from the first contest.

Regards,

-- 
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[Wikimedia-l] "Somebody Will"

[Sumana Harihareswara]

Cynics, skip this message!

http://www.sassafrassmusic.com/songs/sci-fi-fantasy-fandom/somebody-will/

I came across this sentimental song about "a world of encouragement and
productivity, in which everyone is encouraged to create, support and
work toward ideals" and it reminded me of our shared mission, so I
wanted to share it with you.
-Sumana

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies

[Denis Barthel]

Disclaimer: I am writing this as a community member of the German 
Wikipedia, where I have been active for many years in the 
WikiProject:Biology. As an amateur I had to learn throughout the years, 
that taxonomy is pretty tricky, much more than it seems at first sight.


Though it seems so easy to map taxonomical data in a database due to its 
seemingly strict hierarchical nature, I'm afraid it is much more tricky 
to implement as taxonomy is a discipline with a lot of traps to step in. 
That doesn't mean, that it shouldn't be tried, but when considering to 
do this: please get advice of professional taxonomists (not only general 
biologists) before planning things like that from a purely technical 
point of view. Be aware of heavy differences between the various, but 
binding codes (Zoology, Bacteriology, Botany s.l. and cultivated 
plants). Be aware of the necessity of concurring data trees working with 
the same objects. Be aware of the continous changes of taxonomy and the 
current tendency of dismissing defined ranks for the benefit of nodes.


Such professional advice could be useful to avoid failures due to 
missing expertise in the very beginning. Just a hint.


Best regards,
Denis Barthel

Am 03.06.2013 12:01, schrieb Federico Leva (Nemo):

Nikola Smolenski, 03/06/2013 11:44:

What if this interface would exist? I believe it could be made really
quickly and easily.


It's not about interface only, for instance the search backend is 
completely broken and useless for Wikidata, AFAICS.
From what I understand, the interface for Wikidata data is provided by 
client sites such as Wikipedia. There are no plans for inclusion of 
Wikispecies as client site, but if/when Wikispecies' needs are 
implemented this doesn't imply Wikispecies would be useless, rather 
that it would have easier access to data and could focus on its scope 
i.e. presenting such data. Currently it tries to do both and IMHO 
fails at both.


Nemo

P.s.: There are also connected problems like sv.wiki becoming a 
Wikispecies/Wikidata on its own with a million species bot-entries, 
but it's another story.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies

[Nik Everett]

I promise I'll get to looking at wikidata's search sometime!  I sure don't know 
when that time will be but I'll get to it!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 3, 2013, at 6:01 AM, "Federico Leva (Nemo)"  wrote:

> Nikola Smolenski, 03/06/2013 11:44:
>> What if this interface would exist? I believe it could be made really
>> quickly and easily.
> 
> It's not about interface only, for instance the search backend is completely 
> broken and useless for Wikidata, AFAICS.
> From what I understand, the interface for Wikidata data is provided by client 
> sites such as Wikipedia. There are no plans for inclusion of Wikispecies as 
> client site, but if/when Wikispecies' needs are implemented this doesn't 
> imply Wikispecies would be useless, rather that it would have easier access 
> to data and could focus on its scope i.e. presenting such data. Currently it 
> tries to do both and IMHO fails at both.
> 
> Nemo
> 
> P.s.: There are also connected problems like sv.wiki becoming a 
> Wikispecies/Wikidata on its own with a million species bot-entries, but it's 
> another story.
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo

[Ziko van Dijk]

Indeed, and what if the Wikimedia movement looks after its own logos, would
that be bullying too? :-)
I remember a site with a name like "Wikithistown" (with "Thistown" being
the name of a specific city) with the self-description: "Wikithistown is
the Wikipedia of Thistown", using also the Wikipedia logo. A Wikimedia
representative asked the site makers friendly to reconsider the wording and
the use of the logo, and they did.
But some Wikipedia volunteers were very pissed off, because "those people
in Thistown are nice and do good things". This has never been disputed, but
to avoid confusion in the age of Wikileaks it is really important to make
clear who is what and who.
Kind regards
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2013/6/3 Katie Chan 

> On 03/06/2013 10:49, Ziko van Dijk wrote:
>
>> The case already cost money to the WMF, because of the time invested by
>> our
>> legal counsel. As with the Loriot stamps and the office action then, it's
>> not worth to loose (even more) money for it. That might look different in
>> a
>> different legal system and with better odds.
>> I am not quite happy with making this a moral question about 'standing up
>> to bullies', Peter. If you want to fight bullying, there is a lot to do
>> within the Wikipedia editing community...
>> Kind regards
>> Ziko
>>
>>
> This has already been raised in this thread, but I want to emphaise can we
> please not equate everyone who enforces their trademarks as bullies. If a
> trademark holder do not enforces their trademark, they lose the trademark.
> Enforcing ones trademark is what a trademark holder is suppose to do. Now
> we can argue that the WTO is being overly broad in their interpretation of
> the similarity between the two logos, then the question becomes whether the
> Wikivoyage logo is worth spending the money fighting over.
>
> KTC
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Nikola Smolenski, 03/06/2013 11:44:

What if this interface would exist? I believe it could be made really
quickly and easily.


It's not about interface only, for instance the search backend is 
completely broken and useless for Wikidata, AFAICS.
From what I understand, the interface for Wikidata data is provided by 
client sites such as Wikipedia. There are no plans for inclusion of 
Wikispecies as client site, but if/when Wikispecies' needs are 
implemented this doesn't imply Wikispecies would be useless, rather that 
it would have easier access to data and could focus on its scope i.e. 
presenting such data. Currently it tries to do both and IMHO fails at both.


Nemo

P.s.: There are also connected problems like sv.wiki becoming a 
Wikispecies/Wikidata on its own with a million species bot-entries, but 
it's another story.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Ting Chen  wrote:
> Hello dear all,
>
> I happened to worked with a few biology interwikis on WikiData today and saw
> the taxnomical data on it. Given that WikiData is growing and more potential
> would not it be a good idea to merge WikiSpecies data into WikiData and
> close WikiSpecies (hope now there will no stones or rotten tomatos flying
> for this naive question ;-) )?

Hi Ting,

It is too early for this discussion to be honest. The data in Wikidata
isn't up to it yet. Most of the taxonomy data isn't complete and it
isn't sourced properly yet. I've been talking about this topic with
quite a few people knowledgeable about this matter and taxonomy is not
as easy as it might seem from the outside. This needs experts and
time.
Besides this I believe any discussion like this should be started by
and in the WikiSpecies community.


Cheers
Lydia

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo

[Katie Chan]

On 03/06/2013 10:49, Ziko van Dijk wrote:

The case already cost money to the WMF, because of the time invested by our
legal counsel. As with the Loriot stamps and the office action then, it's
not worth to loose (even more) money for it. That might look different in a
different legal system and with better odds.
I am not quite happy with making this a moral question about 'standing up
to bullies', Peter. If you want to fight bullying, there is a lot to do
within the Wikipedia editing community...
Kind regards
Ziko



This has already been raised in this thread, but I want to emphaise can 
we please not equate everyone who enforces their trademarks as bullies. 
If a trademark holder do not enforces their trademark, they lose the 
trademark. Enforcing ones trademark is what a trademark holder is 
suppose to do. Now we can argue that the WTO is being overly broad in 
their interpretation of the similarity between the two logos, then the 
question becomes whether the Wikivoyage logo is worth spending the money 
fighting over.


KTC

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo

[Ziko van Dijk]

The case already cost money to the WMF, because of the time invested by our
legal counsel. As with the Loriot stamps and the office action then, it's
not worth to loose (even more) money for it. That might look different in a
different legal system and with better odds.
I am not quite happy with making this a moral question about 'standing up
to bullies', Peter. If you want to fight bullying, there is a lot to do
within the Wikipedia editing community...
Kind regards
Ziko


Am Montag, 3. Juni 2013 schrieb Peter Southwood :

> That would only be true if they were right.
>
> - Original Message - From: "phoebe ayers" 
> To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" 
> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 7:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo
>
>
>  On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) > >wrote:
>>
>>  Peter Southwood, 02/06/2013 07:43:
>>>
>>>  So we stand up to small bullies, by not to big ones.
>>>
 Nice to know where the line is drawn when it comes to principles.


>>> Why would you want to share visual identity with a bully?
>>>
>>> Nemo
>>>
>>
>>
>> Ha! +1 :)
>>
>> And also what Denny, Deryck and SJ said.
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies

[Nikola Smolenski]

On 03/06/13 11:40, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:

Ting Chen, 03/06/2013 11:29:

I happened to worked with a few biology interwikis on WikiData today and
saw the taxnomical data on it. Given that WikiData is growing and more
potential would not it be a good idea to merge WikiSpecies data into
WikiData


Yes,


and close WikiSpecies (hope now there will no stones or rotten
tomatos flying for this naive question ;-) )?


no.




TL;DR: Wikidata offers only a partial way to store information and no
real interface at all for browsing it.


What if this interface would exist? I believe it could be made really 
quickly and easily.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Ting Chen, 03/06/2013 11:29:

I happened to worked with a few biology interwikis on WikiData today and
saw the taxnomical data on it. Given that WikiData is growing and more
potential would not it be a good idea to merge WikiSpecies data into
WikiData


Yes,


and close WikiSpecies (hope now there will no stones or rotten
tomatos flying for this naive question ;-) )?


no.


TL;DR: Wikidata offers only a partial way to store information and no 
real interface at all for browsing it.


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies

[Amir E. Aharoni]

2013/6/3 Ting Chen :
> Hello dear all,
>
> I happened to worked with a few biology interwikis on WikiData today and saw
> the taxnomical data on it. Given that WikiData is growing and more potential
> would not it be a good idea to merge WikiSpecies data into WikiData and
> close WikiSpecies (hope now there will no stones or rotten tomatos flying
> for this naive question ;-) )?

I thought about it several times and it makes sense to me. I somehow
assumed that that is the intention anyway.

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[Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies

[Ting Chen]

Hello dear all,

I happened to worked with a few biology interwikis on WikiData today and 
saw the taxnomical data on it. Given that WikiData is growing and more 
potential would not it be a good idea to merge WikiSpecies data into 
WikiData and close WikiSpecies (hope now there will no stones or rotten 
tomatos flying for this naive question ;-) )?


Greetings
Ting

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo

[Peter Southwood]

That would only be true if they were right.

- Original Message - 
From: "phoebe ayers" 

To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" 
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo


On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) 
wrote:



Peter Southwood, 02/06/2013 07:43:

 So we stand up to small bullies, by not to big ones.

Nice to know where the line is drawn when it comes to principles.



Why would you want to share visual identity with a bully?

Nemo



Ha! +1 :)

And also what Denny, Deryck and SJ said.

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