Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2014 location decision
Perhaps next year in sunny Goa? Dates? On 13 October 2013 12:05, Steven Zhang cro0...@gmail.com wrote: Bulk of the chapters are in Europe, so it's generally seen as cheaper for most chapters, and more convenient for them. I agree with your sentiment. Sent from my iPhone On 13 Oct 2013, at 7:06 pm, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: As one of the team for the India bid, I must say I'm a bit disappointed in this decision. It seems like this event will never leave Europe. On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations - Berlin is one amazing city. Some great bids were placed, too. Looking forward to it! -Sarah On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Ivan Martínez gala...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all the team involved in the bidding and decision. We will have a very nice conference in Berlin. Regards. El oct 12, 2013 8:31 a.m., Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com escribió: Dear all, Following considerable deliberation it is with great pleasure that we announce that the Location Committee has selected Berlin as the location for the 2014 Wikimedia Conference. We received a total of four bids from Germany, India, Italy and Sweden. In selecting the Berlin location we have taken into consideration the experience and capacity of the team; the travel time and cost for attendees; the cost of hosting the conference; and the facilities and room configuration of the proposed venues. Throughout our deliberations we kept an open mind towards having the conference in a new location/country, and we have appreciated the compact solutions offered by having all participants close to each other or staying at the same lodging; however, we felt that the Berlin bid provides – by a small margin – the best combination of price, distance and experience this year. We thank all the organisations that have entered a bid for their time and effort and we hope that even if they were not selected this year, they can make use of the experience when they organise other meetings that will further the Wikimedia mission. In closing, we would like to thank all Wikimedia organisations for placing their trust in this process and committee, which was an interesting experience for all of us. In the hope that the Wikimedia organisations keep the hosting choice an open process, we would like to propose a number of potential process improvements[1], and we would invite all the bidders and other interested parties to provide their own feedback. Best regards, Asaf Bartov, Bence Damokos, Arnau Duran, Itzik Edri, Mike Peel, Osmar Valdebenito, Ilario Valdelli Wikimedia Conference 2014 Location Committee [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2014/Bids/Learnings ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l , mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- -- *Sarah Stierch* *Museumist, open culture advocate, and Wikimedian* *www.sarahstierch.com* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Treasurer, Wikimedia Chapter [India] Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter today http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donations ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2014 location decision
Thanks a lot! And not only thanks for the decision but also for all the work the location committee has done in the decision making process and for the learnings they provided. We are looking forward to welcoming the international Wikimedia crowd in Berlin next spring. Our event team will now further negotiate with the venues and take care of the logistics. Before chapters/affiliations can decide whom to send to Berlin, they need to know which topics will be discussed. This means that we all must fix the programme together before the end of the year. There is an open call for a programme team on Meta, more support and input is highly appreciated. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2014/Programme_team All the best, Nicole On 14 October 2013 09:46, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Perhaps next year in sunny Goa? Dates? On 13 October 2013 12:05, Steven Zhang cro0...@gmail.com wrote: Bulk of the chapters are in Europe, so it's generally seen as cheaper for most chapters, and more convenient for them. I agree with your sentiment. Sent from my iPhone On 13 Oct 2013, at 7:06 pm, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: As one of the team for the India bid, I must say I'm a bit disappointed in this decision. It seems like this event will never leave Europe. On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations - Berlin is one amazing city. Some great bids were placed, too. Looking forward to it! -Sarah On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Ivan Martínez gala...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all the team involved in the bidding and decision. We will have a very nice conference in Berlin. Regards. El oct 12, 2013 8:31 a.m., Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com escribió: Dear all, Following considerable deliberation it is with great pleasure that we announce that the Location Committee has selected Berlin as the location for the 2014 Wikimedia Conference. We received a total of four bids from Germany, India, Italy and Sweden. In selecting the Berlin location we have taken into consideration the experience and capacity of the team; the travel time and cost for attendees; the cost of hosting the conference; and the facilities and room configuration of the proposed venues. Throughout our deliberations we kept an open mind towards having the conference in a new location/country, and we have appreciated the compact solutions offered by having all participants close to each other or staying at the same lodging; however, we felt that the Berlin bid provides – by a small margin – the best combination of price, distance and experience this year. We thank all the organisations that have entered a bid for their time and effort and we hope that even if they were not selected this year, they can make use of the experience when they organise other meetings that will further the Wikimedia mission. In closing, we would like to thank all Wikimedia organisations for placing their trust in this process and committee, which was an interesting experience for all of us. In the hope that the Wikimedia organisations keep the hosting choice an open process, we would like to propose a number of potential process improvements[1], and we would invite all the bidders and other interested parties to provide their own feedback. Best regards, Asaf Bartov, Bence Damokos, Arnau Duran, Itzik Edri, Mike Peel, Osmar Valdebenito, Ilario Valdelli Wikimedia Conference 2014 Location Committee [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2014/Bids/Learnings ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l , mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- -- *Sarah Stierch* *Museumist, open culture advocate, and Wikimedian* *www.sarahstierch.com* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Treasurer, Wikimedia Chapter [India] Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter today http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donations ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Global East
A nationalist point of view is not neutral point of view. I can imagine what the dictator of Kazakstan considers a suitable article. Fred Yesterday Yuri, ED of WMUA (and my college in FDC) was interviewed in the main morning program on Swedish Radio re the ua.wp contra ru:wp in Ukraine and of Kazak WIkipedia The 8 minutes report is half in Swedish and half in English so a bit hard to listen to [1] The most interesting parts are *The Kazak dictator is making all academics in this country to update the Kazan version of Wikipedia, perhaps to get it POV but mostly so they will not be dependent of ru:wp, ie he sees it as a must to have a decent Wikipedia version in order to be independent of the culture from Russia *In Ukraine the former education minister (pro eu and pro Ukrainian language) actively promoted the ua:wp so not be dependent on ru:wp. The current minister have the opposite idea and has made Russian an official second language in the eastern part of Ukraine *It seems the university students make it as almost a political choice if to use ua:wp or ru:wp, and then in western Ukraine choose ua:wp The central role of Wikipedia in theses vital political issues I have not heard of from our ordinary western chapters/language versions (or is catalonian/Amical an example) And reflecting on this, I also think, even if independent, of the dramatic increase of use of arabic and indonesian wikipedia [2] . Also of Vietnamese wikipedia which has a tremendous increase in number of article by intellegent use of bots. Also of the very interesting development in India, with their many different language versions. We here very little (nothing?) from these interesting developments, where we all probably can have a lot to learn Asaf talks of the problem of getting Global South started as there are very weak/missing wp communities. But are we as a movement doing enough to support the active communities and developments in the Global East? (I can not help also think of Sues words re elections within the movement. Do these processes conserve our existing dominance in Board and groups of representatives coming from western world?) Anders [1] http://sverigesradio.se/api/radio/radio.aspx?type=dbid=4725418codingformat=.m4ametafile=asx [2] http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htmtic increase of use of arabic wikipedia ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Global East
Hoi, Every Wikipedia has its own point of view. They are all not neutral if only by omission. Do consider the amount of effort that has gone in the creation of articles relating to the United States of America,. Compare this with the coverage of the Ottoman Empire, given that the English Wikipedia is used all over the world, its coverage should be of a higher standard. The Ottoman Empire represents one of the more relevant civilisations, now consider all the countries who are considered to be less relevant... Thanks, GerardM On 14 October 2013 14:57, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: A nationalist point of view is not neutral point of view. I can imagine what the dictator of Kazakstan considers a suitable article. Fred Yesterday Yuri, ED of WMUA (and my college in FDC) was interviewed in the main morning program on Swedish Radio re the ua.wp contra ru:wp in Ukraine and of Kazak WIkipedia The 8 minutes report is half in Swedish and half in English so a bit hard to listen to [1] The most interesting parts are *The Kazak dictator is making all academics in this country to update the Kazan version of Wikipedia, perhaps to get it POV but mostly so they will not be dependent of ru:wp, ie he sees it as a must to have a decent Wikipedia version in order to be independent of the culture from Russia *In Ukraine the former education minister (pro eu and pro Ukrainian language) actively promoted the ua:wp so not be dependent on ru:wp. The current minister have the opposite idea and has made Russian an official second language in the eastern part of Ukraine *It seems the university students make it as almost a political choice if to use ua:wp or ru:wp, and then in western Ukraine choose ua:wp The central role of Wikipedia in theses vital political issues I have not heard of from our ordinary western chapters/language versions (or is catalonian/Amical an example) And reflecting on this, I also think, even if independent, of the dramatic increase of use of arabic and indonesian wikipedia [2] . Also of Vietnamese wikipedia which has a tremendous increase in number of article by intellegent use of bots. Also of the very interesting development in India, with their many different language versions. We here very little (nothing?) from these interesting developments, where we all probably can have a lot to learn Asaf talks of the problem of getting Global South started as there are very weak/missing wp communities. But are we as a movement doing enough to support the active communities and developments in the Global East? (I can not help also think of Sues words re elections within the movement. Do these processes conserve our existing dominance in Board and groups of representatives coming from western world?) Anders [1] http://sverigesradio.se/api/radio/radio.aspx?type=dbid=4725418codingformat=.m4ametafile=asx [2] http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htmtic increase of use of arabic wikipedia ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2014 location decision
Excellent news! A huge thanks to the Location Committee and congratulations to the entire Berlin team! – Patricio On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, Following considerable deliberation it is with great pleasure that we announce that the Location Committee has selected Berlin as the location for the 2014 Wikimedia Conference. We received a total of four bids from Germany, India, Italy and Sweden. In selecting the Berlin location we have taken into consideration the experience and capacity of the team; the travel time and cost for attendees; the cost of hosting the conference; and the facilities and room configuration of the proposed venues. Throughout our deliberations we kept an open mind towards having the conference in a new location/country, and we have appreciated the compact solutions offered by having all participants close to each other or staying at the same lodging; however, we felt that the Berlin bid provides – by a small margin – the best combination of price, distance and experience this year. We thank all the organisations that have entered a bid for their time and effort and we hope that even if they were not selected this year, they can make use of the experience when they organise other meetings that will further the Wikimedia mission. In closing, we would like to thank all Wikimedia organisations for placing their trust in this process and committee, which was an interesting experience for all of us. In the hope that the Wikimedia organisations keep the hosting choice an open process, we would like to propose a number of potential process improvements[1], and we would invite all the bidders and other interested parties to provide their own feedback. Best regards, Asaf Bartov, Bence Damokos, Arnau Duran, Itzik Edri, Mike Peel, Osmar Valdebenito, Ilario Valdelli Wikimedia Conference 2014 Location Committee [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2014/Bids/Learnings ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2014 location decision
I still think that Berlin is a suitable location out of the bids, and given their experience, am sure they'll do a great job. I look forward to it. Steve Sent from my iPhone On 14 Oct 2013, at 6:46 pm, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Perhaps next year in sunny Goa? Dates? On 13 October 2013 12:05, Steven Zhang cro0...@gmail.com wrote: Bulk of the chapters are in Europe, so it's generally seen as cheaper for most chapters, and more convenient for them. I agree with your sentiment. Sent from my iPhone On 13 Oct 2013, at 7:06 pm, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: As one of the team for the India bid, I must say I'm a bit disappointed in this decision. It seems like this event will never leave Europe. On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations - Berlin is one amazing city. Some great bids were placed, too. Looking forward to it! -Sarah On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Ivan Martínez gala...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all the team involved in the bidding and decision. We will have a very nice conference in Berlin. Regards. El oct 12, 2013 8:31 a.m., Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com escribió: Dear all, Following considerable deliberation it is with great pleasure that we announce that the Location Committee has selected Berlin as the location for the 2014 Wikimedia Conference. We received a total of four bids from Germany, India, Italy and Sweden. In selecting the Berlin location we have taken into consideration the experience and capacity of the team; the travel time and cost for attendees; the cost of hosting the conference; and the facilities and room configuration of the proposed venues. Throughout our deliberations we kept an open mind towards having the conference in a new location/country, and we have appreciated the compact solutions offered by having all participants close to each other or staying at the same lodging; however, we felt that the Berlin bid provides – by a small margin – the best combination of price, distance and experience this year. We thank all the organisations that have entered a bid for their time and effort and we hope that even if they were not selected this year, they can make use of the experience when they organise other meetings that will further the Wikimedia mission. In closing, we would like to thank all Wikimedia organisations for placing their trust in this process and committee, which was an interesting experience for all of us. In the hope that the Wikimedia organisations keep the hosting choice an open process, we would like to propose a number of potential process improvements[1], and we would invite all the bidders and other interested parties to provide their own feedback. Best regards, Asaf Bartov, Bence Damokos, Arnau Duran, Itzik Edri, Mike Peel, Osmar Valdebenito, Ilario Valdelli Wikimedia Conference 2014 Location Committee [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2014/Bids/Learnings ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l , mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- -- *Sarah Stierch* *Museumist, open culture advocate, and Wikimedian* *www.sarahstierch.com* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Treasurer, Wikimedia Chapter [India] Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter today http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donations ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Global East
And that explains an article on the United States full of misinformation and an article on the Ottoman Empire that is somewhat better? Actually it does: we have considerable distance from the Ottoman Empire; and little ability to be objective about ourselves. Fred Hoi, Every Wikipedia has its own point of view. They are all not neutral if only by omission. Do consider the amount of effort that has gone in the creation of articles relating to the United States of America,. Compare this with the coverage of the Ottoman Empire, given that the English Wikipedia is used all over the world, its coverage should be of a higher standard. The Ottoman Empire represents one of the more relevant civilisations, now consider all the countries who are considered to be less relevant... Thanks, GerardM On 14 October 2013 14:57, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: A nationalist point of view is not neutral point of view. I can imagine what the dictator of Kazakstan considers a suitable article. Fred Yesterday Yuri, ED of WMUA (and my college in FDC) was interviewed in the main morning program on Swedish Radio re the ua.wp contra ru:wp in Ukraine and of Kazak WIkipedia The 8 minutes report is half in Swedish and half in English so a bit hard to listen to [1] The most interesting parts are *The Kazak dictator is making all academics in this country to update the Kazan version of Wikipedia, perhaps to get it POV but mostly so they will not be dependent of ru:wp, ie he sees it as a must to have a decent Wikipedia version in order to be independent of the culture from Russia *In Ukraine the former education minister (pro eu and pro Ukrainian language) actively promoted the ua:wp so not be dependent on ru:wp. The current minister have the opposite idea and has made Russian an official second language in the eastern part of Ukraine *It seems the university students make it as almost a political choice if to use ua:wp or ru:wp, and then in western Ukraine choose ua:wp The central role of Wikipedia in theses vital political issues I have not heard of from our ordinary western chapters/language versions (or is catalonian/Amical an example) And reflecting on this, I also think, even if independent, of the dramatic increase of use of arabic and indonesian wikipedia [2] . Also of Vietnamese wikipedia which has a tremendous increase in number of article by intellegent use of bots. Also of the very interesting development in India, with their many different language versions. We here very little (nothing?) from these interesting developments, where we all probably can have a lot to learn Asaf talks of the problem of getting Global South started as there are very weak/missing wp communities. But are we as a movement doing enough to support the active communities and developments in the Global East? (I can not help also think of Sues words re elections within the movement. Do these processes conserve our existing dominance in Board and groups of representatives coming from western world?) Anders [1] http://sverigesradio.se/api/radio/radio.aspx?type=dbid=4725418codingformat=.m4ametafile=asx [2] http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htmtic increase of use of arabic wikipedia ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Global East
Hoi Fred, I have no opinion on the quality of subjects that are in the English Wikipedia. When I state that it is not neutral by omission, it means that the same level of attention does not go to subjects like the Ottoman Empire. Effectively I want more people to write about other cultures and thereby raise the game. Thanks, GerardM On 14 October 2013 16:01, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: And that explains an article on the United States full of misinformation and an article on the Ottoman Empire that is somewhat better? Actually it does: we have considerable distance from the Ottoman Empire; and little ability to be objective about ourselves. Fred Hoi, Every Wikipedia has its own point of view. They are all not neutral if only by omission. Do consider the amount of effort that has gone in the creation of articles relating to the United States of America,. Compare this with the coverage of the Ottoman Empire, given that the English Wikipedia is used all over the world, its coverage should be of a higher standard. The Ottoman Empire represents one of the more relevant civilisations, now consider all the countries who are considered to be less relevant... Thanks, GerardM On 14 October 2013 14:57, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: A nationalist point of view is not neutral point of view. I can imagine what the dictator of Kazakstan considers a suitable article. Fred Yesterday Yuri, ED of WMUA (and my college in FDC) was interviewed in the main morning program on Swedish Radio re the ua.wp contra ru:wp in Ukraine and of Kazak WIkipedia The 8 minutes report is half in Swedish and half in English so a bit hard to listen to [1] The most interesting parts are *The Kazak dictator is making all academics in this country to update the Kazan version of Wikipedia, perhaps to get it POV but mostly so they will not be dependent of ru:wp, ie he sees it as a must to have a decent Wikipedia version in order to be independent of the culture from Russia *In Ukraine the former education minister (pro eu and pro Ukrainian language) actively promoted the ua:wp so not be dependent on ru:wp. The current minister have the opposite idea and has made Russian an official second language in the eastern part of Ukraine *It seems the university students make it as almost a political choice if to use ua:wp or ru:wp, and then in western Ukraine choose ua:wp The central role of Wikipedia in theses vital political issues I have not heard of from our ordinary western chapters/language versions (or is catalonian/Amical an example) And reflecting on this, I also think, even if independent, of the dramatic increase of use of arabic and indonesian wikipedia [2] . Also of Vietnamese wikipedia which has a tremendous increase in number of article by intellegent use of bots. Also of the very interesting development in India, with their many different language versions. We here very little (nothing?) from these interesting developments, where we all probably can have a lot to learn Asaf talks of the problem of getting Global South started as there are very weak/missing wp communities. But are we as a movement doing enough to support the active communities and developments in the Global East? (I can not help also think of Sues words re elections within the movement. Do these processes conserve our existing dominance in Board and groups of representatives coming from western world?) Anders [1] http://sverigesradio.se/api/radio/radio.aspx?type=dbid=4725418codingformat=.m4ametafile=asx [2] http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htmtic increase of use of arabic wikipedia ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Iberoconf 2013
Dear all: Today we start the first day of sessions of the Third Ibero-American Wikimedia Summit (Iberoconf 2013), hosted this year in Mexico City by Wikimedia México. You can follow the sessions in the next links: Etherpad http://cor.to/AlOL Live streaming http://www.livestream.com/eventostelmexhub2 Twitter follow the hashtag #Iberoconf Best regards. -- *Atentamente: Iván Martínez Presidente Wikimedia México A.C. wikimedia.mx Imagina un mundo en donde cada persona del planeta pueda tener acceso libre a la suma total del conocimiento humano. Eso es lo que estamos haciendo http://es.wikipedia.org. * ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2014 location decision
Hi nicole, while I appreciate your dedication to this, I would suggest to fix the *topics* rather than the whole schedule. The exact day time for each session is not important for planning the attendance, but postponing that does leave a bit more flexibility to align for example with the board availability and laying the focus on topics a bit more that are current. Also, this is much easier :) Lets focus 5 or 6 big topics which can have 2 or 3 sessions each. Lets define desired outcomes for those topics. Just a thought, Lodewijk 2013/10/14 Nicole Ebber nicole.eb...@wikimedia.de Thanks a lot! And not only thanks for the decision but also for all the work the location committee has done in the decision making process and for the learnings they provided. We are looking forward to welcoming the international Wikimedia crowd in Berlin next spring. Our event team will now further negotiate with the venues and take care of the logistics. Before chapters/affiliations can decide whom to send to Berlin, they need to know which topics will be discussed. This means that we all must fix the programme together before the end of the year. There is an open call for a programme team on Meta, more support and input is highly appreciated. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2014/Programme_team All the best, Nicole On 14 October 2013 09:46, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Perhaps next year in sunny Goa? Dates? On 13 October 2013 12:05, Steven Zhang cro0...@gmail.com wrote: Bulk of the chapters are in Europe, so it's generally seen as cheaper for most chapters, and more convenient for them. I agree with your sentiment. Sent from my iPhone On 13 Oct 2013, at 7:06 pm, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: As one of the team for the India bid, I must say I'm a bit disappointed in this decision. It seems like this event will never leave Europe. On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations - Berlin is one amazing city. Some great bids were placed, too. Looking forward to it! -Sarah On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Ivan Martínez gala...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all the team involved in the bidding and decision. We will have a very nice conference in Berlin. Regards. El oct 12, 2013 8:31 a.m., Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com escribió: Dear all, Following considerable deliberation it is with great pleasure that we announce that the Location Committee has selected Berlin as the location for the 2014 Wikimedia Conference. We received a total of four bids from Germany, India, Italy and Sweden. In selecting the Berlin location we have taken into consideration the experience and capacity of the team; the travel time and cost for attendees; the cost of hosting the conference; and the facilities and room configuration of the proposed venues. Throughout our deliberations we kept an open mind towards having the conference in a new location/country, and we have appreciated the compact solutions offered by having all participants close to each other or staying at the same lodging; however, we felt that the Berlin bid provides – by a small margin – the best combination of price, distance and experience this year. We thank all the organisations that have entered a bid for their time and effort and we hope that even if they were not selected this year, they can make use of the experience when they organise other meetings that will further the Wikimedia mission. In closing, we would like to thank all Wikimedia organisations for placing their trust in this process and committee, which was an interesting experience for all of us. In the hope that the Wikimedia organisations keep the hosting choice an open process, we would like to propose a number of potential process improvements[1], and we would invite all the bidders and other interested parties to provide their own feedback. Best regards, Asaf Bartov, Bence Damokos, Arnau Duran, Itzik Edri, Mike Peel, Osmar Valdebenito, Ilario Valdelli Wikimedia Conference 2014 Location Committee [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2014/Bids/Learnings ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l , mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org ?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org ?subject=unsubscribe -- --
[Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention
Hi, I would like to bring your attention to yet another discussion that's currently taking place, namely the one about the new privacy policy, and the related access to non-public information policy. The privacy policy consultation is obviously important to all of us. but I'm personally more interested in the draft access to non-public information policy, which influences my daily work as an oversighter on Commons, and also the not-so-regular work as an OTRS agent. It seems that the Wikimedia Foundation is planning to require users with access to non-public information to re-identify to them, this time with the intention to retain copies of the submitted IDs, for as long as those users have access to such information, and additional three years. We already went through a similar discussion two and a half years ago, when the WMF planned to make all OTRS agents re-identify to them by sending a copy (or a scan) of their ID to a secure e-mail address (or by using another option provided). This time, the new requirements are going to concern /all/ users with access to non-public information (such as OTRS agents, checkusers, oversighters, and stewards), and their IDs are planned to be kept by the Foundation, something which was never required before. The discussion is taking place at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Access_to_nonpublic_information_policy and I invite every interested person (with a special invitation to people holding advanced user rights on any Wikimedia wiki) to take an active part in it. Thanks, Tomasz ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention
Thanks for the pointer, Tomasz. I made a couple of points I'll reiterate here: 1) Under Secure and Confidential Storage this is a sentence describing how the WMF will share / release the information submitted by volunteers. Part A allows the WMF to disclose the information to third parties with a WMF-approved non-disclosure agreement, without limitation. Part D allows it to disclose the information to third parties to protect the rights and property of the WMF, contractors and employees. Both of these parts need to be substantially tightened, in my opinion, to limit the purpose for which information is disclosed and the circumstances under which any recipient of the information can retain copies. 2) The policy really doesn't make an effort to justify the data retention. Data is retained for three years in case an Arbitration Committee (project undefined, no limitations expressed) needs to see it? Honestly, I'm struggling to understand why any ArbCom would need access to the preserved copy of a government issued ID to begin with. ArbComs are evidently on the need to know list for access to stored IDs? That's concerning. I think the policy needs to make a strong argument for why this type of data retention is necessary and useful, and it needs to consist of more than convenience for the WMF. 3) The process for data destruction is pretty weak. It doesn't mention anything about data that has been shared (nowhere in the document is it discussed how and in what form the data will be shared), the process it describes doesn't currently exist, and it relies on the actions of volunteers. Destroying data at the end of the retention period ought to be a WMF responsibility, assigned to an employee, and treated with the seriousness it deserves. Overall I don't know that the legal team has taken into account the likely reaction of European functionaries in particular; those countries have very popular, and very strict, rules and expectations around the use and retention of private information. Given the conditions set by all the surveillance revelations recently... I'd hate to see an exodus of advanced users on our non-English projects because of this policy. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention
Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: Just checking: considering that this is a rather limited set of users, I assume they've all been notified by the WMF via email or talk page about the discussion? You must be new here. Tomasz ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention
On 14 October 2013 16:39, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.netwrote: Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: Just checking: considering that this is a rather limited set of users, I assume they've all been notified by the WMF via email or talk page about the discussion? You must be new here. That made me smile. :) In answer to Tomasz's question: Not unless they suddenly forgot my email address, and that of every other checkuser, oversighter, or steward that I know. I was well aware of the ongoing discussion of the revised draft privacy policy, and I was aware that there was *going* to be a discussion about access to non-public information; however, I was unaware that the latter discussion had started. Risker ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
