[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 11, Issue 33 -- 19 August 2015

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

[Romaine Wiki]

This is not the first time this conflict appears, but this is the worst
outcome ever so far. In all the years I have been asking for an explanation
why it is not possible to move it, or why it is urgently to do it in
September, nothing reasonable has been provided for that. Nothing in all
those years.

If a fundraising banner has a big negative influence on a project, I think
it is time to have the community involved and have them speak out what they
think about the situation. As FR only speaks to a few people, they seem to
have the impression that they can freely decide without taking the
community in account. I think it will be time to have the community speak
out what they think in a request for comment/voting or something on Meta.
Anyone an idea or the experience how to set such up?

Romaine

2015-08-20 13:26 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg :

> Which is Fundraising's point? I haven't seen anything here about why WMF so
> urgently needs to request Italian donations in September.
> Am 20.08.2015 07:27 schrieb "Risker" :
>
> > I can understand the frustration that members of WMIT are expressing
> here,
> > but I also see Fundraising's point.  I wonder if there are not some other
> > options that could be considered.  For example, instead of a banner,
> > perhaps a big bright button on the sidebar that says "Upload images for
> > Wiki Loves Monuments here!" may be technically feasible.  It's not quite
> > the equivalent of a banner, but it does address the wayfinding issue at
> > least.  (I think that's possibly the biggest downside of not having the
> WLM
> > banners in rotation.)
> >
> > Let's give ourselves permission to think outside the box a bit here; both
> > of these activities are valuable and important to our movement, each of
> > them have different but viable reasons for wanting to proceed during that
> > specific period. There are a lot of smart people reading this mailing
> list.
> > I'd like to think between the several-hundred of us we might be able to
> > come up with a solution that works to accommodate both groups.
> >
> > Risker/Anne
> >
> > On 20 August 2015 at 01:19, Romaine Wiki  wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, Andrew is right. Navigation is a very important focus point of
> > > organising every Wiki Loves Monuments.
> > >
> > > The complexity of the navigation is that MediaWiki and the whole group
> of
> > > Wikimedia wikis is not designed for navigation, but designed for
> showing
> > > content. In the past eight years small improvements have been made in
> > this
> > > field, but in general speaking it is still not easy to navigate for the
> > > majority of the people.
> > >
> > > Romaine
> > >
> > > 2015-08-19 20:45 GMT+02:00 Andrea Zanni :
> > >
> > > > I think Andrew is right: the WLM banner serves as a pointer, and it's
> > > very
> > > > easy to remember "go on Wikipedia and click into the banner on the
> > top".
> > > > It's much more difficult to remember the strange name of the contest
> > (in
> > > > Italy it's still called "Wiki Loves Monuments", even if it's
> English).
> > > >
> > > > And of course we do not have good analytics for the banner: nobody
> > knows
> > > > homw many page views there are in a single wiki per day, so we cannot
> > > count
> > > > the clickthroughs (which we have as the link is on a WLM landing
> page).
> > > >
> > > > Aubrey
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Andrew Gray <
> > andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 19 August 2015 at 14:26, Sam Klein 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > There's a more general problem here we should fix:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We already know that effectiveness of any single banner drops off
> > > > > > dramatically after the first few views.  So there's rarely a
> reason
> > > to
> > > > > run
> > > > > > a continuous banner -- certainly not if there are other banners
> to
> > > run.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think we should be cautious about using our fundraising
> experience
> > > > > to predict the efficiency of 'delayed call-to-action' banners like
> > WLM
> > > > > - to my mind they seem to function in quite different roles.
> > > > >
> > > > > The fundraising banner is calling for an immediate action. You see
> > it,
> > > > > and you either donate or you don't. If you decide not to donate,
> you
> > > > > probably won't decide to donate on seeing it tomorrow, either;
> while
> > > > > if you have donated, you're probably not going to donate again. So
> > the
> > > > > banner being repeated doesn't gain us much, and it has
> progressively
> > > > > less value on the third, fourth, fifth appearances. There are
> > > > > relatively few people who see a fundraising banner and decide "I'll
> > > > > sleep on it", then come back tomorrow and donate. And if they *do*,
> > > > > well - there's a donate link on every page, once they're looking
> for
> > > > > it.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, WLM is calling for a delayed action - "go off, do
> something,
> > > > > and come back again to tell us 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

Why wmf needs to put a fundraising banner every year on wp. Isn't there enough 
money in Frisco?

Just wondering :)

> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 16:48:02 +1000
> From: jay...@gmail.com
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in 
> Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
> 
> Would it be possible for the WLM banner to show on the Main Page only
> during 8-22 September, with the fundraising banner on every other
> page?
> 
> --
> John Vandenberg
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

[MF-Warburg]

Which is Fundraising's point? I haven't seen anything here about why WMF so
urgently needs to request Italian donations in September.
Am 20.08.2015 07:27 schrieb "Risker" :

> I can understand the frustration that members of WMIT are expressing here,
> but I also see Fundraising's point.  I wonder if there are not some other
> options that could be considered.  For example, instead of a banner,
> perhaps a big bright button on the sidebar that says "Upload images for
> Wiki Loves Monuments here!" may be technically feasible.  It's not quite
> the equivalent of a banner, but it does address the wayfinding issue at
> least.  (I think that's possibly the biggest downside of not having the WLM
> banners in rotation.)
>
> Let's give ourselves permission to think outside the box a bit here; both
> of these activities are valuable and important to our movement, each of
> them have different but viable reasons for wanting to proceed during that
> specific period. There are a lot of smart people reading this mailing list.
> I'd like to think between the several-hundred of us we might be able to
> come up with a solution that works to accommodate both groups.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
> On 20 August 2015 at 01:19, Romaine Wiki  wrote:
>
> > Yes, Andrew is right. Navigation is a very important focus point of
> > organising every Wiki Loves Monuments.
> >
> > The complexity of the navigation is that MediaWiki and the whole group of
> > Wikimedia wikis is not designed for navigation, but designed for showing
> > content. In the past eight years small improvements have been made in
> this
> > field, but in general speaking it is still not easy to navigate for the
> > majority of the people.
> >
> > Romaine
> >
> > 2015-08-19 20:45 GMT+02:00 Andrea Zanni :
> >
> > > I think Andrew is right: the WLM banner serves as a pointer, and it's
> > very
> > > easy to remember "go on Wikipedia and click into the banner on the
> top".
> > > It's much more difficult to remember the strange name of the contest
> (in
> > > Italy it's still called "Wiki Loves Monuments", even if it's English).
> > >
> > > And of course we do not have good analytics for the banner: nobody
> knows
> > > homw many page views there are in a single wiki per day, so we cannot
> > count
> > > the clickthroughs (which we have as the link is on a WLM landing page).
> > >
> > > Aubrey
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Andrew Gray <
> andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 19 August 2015 at 14:26, Sam Klein 
> wrote:
> > > > > There's a more general problem here we should fix:
> > > > >
> > > > > We already know that effectiveness of any single banner drops off
> > > > > dramatically after the first few views.  So there's rarely a reason
> > to
> > > > run
> > > > > a continuous banner -- certainly not if there are other banners to
> > run.
> > > >
> > > > I think we should be cautious about using our fundraising experience
> > > > to predict the efficiency of 'delayed call-to-action' banners like
> WLM
> > > > - to my mind they seem to function in quite different roles.
> > > >
> > > > The fundraising banner is calling for an immediate action. You see
> it,
> > > > and you either donate or you don't. If you decide not to donate, you
> > > > probably won't decide to donate on seeing it tomorrow, either; while
> > > > if you have donated, you're probably not going to donate again. So
> the
> > > > banner being repeated doesn't gain us much, and it has progressively
> > > > less value on the third, fourth, fifth appearances. There are
> > > > relatively few people who see a fundraising banner and decide "I'll
> > > > sleep on it", then come back tomorrow and donate. And if they *do*,
> > > > well - there's a donate link on every page, once they're looking for
> > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > However, WLM is calling for a delayed action - "go off, do something,
> > > > and come back again to tell us about it".
> > > >
> > > > The most desired outcome is probably that a previously uninvolved
> > > > person will see it, click through, think "that sounds fun", and go
> off
> > > > to take some photos - after all, it's running all month, they can do
> > > > it at the weekend. A few days later they come back, and want to
> upload
> > > > their photos... but if the banner's not there on Wikipedia, they
> won't
> > > > really know where to go. They might not remember the name ("Wiki
> > > > something?"), making it hard to search for the contest, and they
> > > > probably didn't bookmark the WLM pages. There isn't anything else on
> > > > the page that would help to take them there, and if they're not
> > > > involved in the projects already they probably won't know where the
> > > > information's likely to be. If we can't make sure they can find WLM
> > > > easily when they return, then we've wasted the original call to
> > > > action, we've wasted the potential contributions, *and*, most
> > > > importantly, we've wasted their time and goodwill.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] GA Stats using Wikimedia Stats

[Tito Dutta]

Thanks a lot. It was very helpful
No, most of these Wikipedias don't have such categories. I'll check further.
Regards.

On 19 August 2015 at 16:40, Erik Zachte  wrote:

> Hi Tito,
>
> Wikistats can collect pageviews for a certain category and its
> subcategories.
>
> In English Wikipedia I just ran the script for categories
> WikiProject_Featured_articles and WikiProject_Good_articles
>
> Featured articles, 1 pageviews 2 categories included
> 1
> http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/pageviews/categorized/wp-en/2015-06/pageviews_wp-en_cat_WikiProject_Featured_articles_2015-06.html
> 2
> http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/pageviews/categorized/wp-en/2015-06/categories_wp-en_cat_WikiProject_Featured_articles_2015-06.html
>
> Good articles, 1 pageviews 2 categories included
> 1
> http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/pageviews/categorized/wp-en/2015-06/pageviews_wp-en_cat_WikiProject_Good_articles_2015-06.html
> 2
> http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/pageviews/categorized/wp-en/2015-06/categories_wp-en_cat_WikiProject_Good_articles_2015-06.html
>
> I you have similar categories for the Indian languages I can try to parse
> those  as well
> (I say 'try' as I vaguely remember an open bug with non western letters in
> category name not being parsed well, I might need to look into that)
>
> Cheers,
> Erik
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Asaf Bartov
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 4:39
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] GA Stats using Wikimedia Stats
>
> No.  That site does not provide that data.
>
>A.
>
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 4:33 AM, Tito Dutta  wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> > Is there any way to find Good article stats/details (of mainly Indian
> > Language Wikis) using http://stats.wikimedia.org/?
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