Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2019: New name, new concept, eligbility criteria

[Pine W]

 Hi Cornelius,

I understand the reasons for the change to the content of the conference,
but I will continue to disagree on the name and the importance of naming
things . In the
Wikiverse there is a large vocabulary for tools, policies, namespaces,
frameworks, etc., and I for one invest substantial time and effort into
deciding the names for anything that I think may be high profile. WMF
Communications could probably produce a full day workshop about branding,
and I associate the art of naming things closely with the art of branding.

Regarding the event, the summit is not an all-Wikimedia summit; it is a
summit for WMF, WMF committees, and affiliate organizations. So I consider
"Wikimedia Summit" to be a misleading name, and would encourage you to
think further about it. Perhaps the name could be a subject that is
discussed at the conference.

Good luck with the new focus of the event. I am cautiously supportive of
the change of content.

Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2019: New name, new concept, eligbility criteria

[Paulo Santos Perneta]

Hey Chris,

I'm also not specially fond of those "flipchart" workshops/sessions. I
understand they are needed, but "that's not my beach", so to speak. Maybe I
got it wrong, but I understood the strategy focus on the kind of
connections, deals and partnerships everybody was already doing there:
Projects between chapters, international cooperation, exchange of
experiences in chapter governance, brainstorming about specific problems,
and so on.

That interaction then optimally would lead to the organization of a number
of more localized /regional-level, and more inclusive/overreaching,
capacity building /learning events, which would be in turn much more
effective than shifting two persons to Berlin that will attempt to
participate in everything and its mother, while doing all that
connection/strategic stuff in the betweens.

Paulo

Chris Keating  escreveu no dia quarta,
26/09/2018 à(s) 21:17:

> I have so many questions.
>
> Is anything concrete planned to replace the learning and capacity-building
> work that used to happen at WMCON? (Or has the identification of capacity
> building as a strategic priority just resulted in  the abandonment of
> the main capacity building event?)
>
> And why after two "strategy focused" conferences, do we need another one?
> What will it achieve except acres more flipchart? How many conferences do
> we expect to need before the strategic direction starts to become a
> reality?
>
> Chris
>
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 20:34 Cornelius Kibelka, <
> cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > As Nicole Ebber already wrote a couple of weeks ago, we would like to
> give
> > you some further information about the next Wikimedia Conference, that
> will
> > take place from March 29–31, 2019 in Berlin, Germany.
> >
> > The next conference will focus on the Movement Strategy process and
> > movement governance for the organized part of the movement in general.
> The
> > program will be designed according to the status and needs of the ongoing
> > Movement Strategy process and its working groups. We are hoping to see a
> > diverse group of participants next year, and look forward to creating
> three
> > days of working, discussing, and thinking together. The event is made
> > possible through the generous financial support of the Wikimedia
> > Foundation.
> >
> > Thus, to make it clearer that learning and capacity-building will not be
> > part of the program and cut laces to the previous conference, we will
> > change the name to “Wikimedia Summit” (#wmsummit).
> >
> > The change of the purpose of the event is accompanied by a change in the
> > composition of the audience. The event will be a more focused one, and
> > therefore we aim to scale down the audience to around 200 participants.
> As
> > it is this still the Wikimedia affiliates conference, every _eligible_
> > affiliate can send one (1) delegate. Furthermore, we will invite
> > participants from the Wikimedia Affiliate EDs (~10), WMF Board of
> Trustees
> > (10), WMF staff (~10), the committees (~15 from FDC, AffCom and Simple
> APG)
> > and additional members of the Movement Strategy working groups, that do
> not
> > come in another role (~20). You can find more information regarding this
> on
> > Meta.[1]
> >
> > Registration for the Wikimedia Summit will open on November 2 and end on
> > December 17, 2018. We urge participants that need a visa to register no
> > later than November 19, so we can support them as best as possible to
> get a
> > visa for the event.
> >
> > We will keep you updated in the further weeks and months via the usual
> > communication channels. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate
> > to contact us, preferably via wmsum...@wikimedia.de.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Daniela Gentner & Cornelius Kibelka
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Summit_2019/Eligibility_Criteria
> >
> > --
> > Cornelius Kibelka
> > Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC)
> > for the Wikimedia Conference
> >
> > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin
> > Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0
> > http://wikimedia.de
> >
> > Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2019: New name, new concept, eligbility criteria

[Chris Keating]

I have so many questions.

Is anything concrete planned to replace the learning and capacity-building
work that used to happen at WMCON? (Or has the identification of capacity
building as a strategic priority just resulted in  the abandonment of
the main capacity building event?)

And why after two "strategy focused" conferences, do we need another one?
What will it achieve except acres more flipchart? How many conferences do
we expect to need before the strategic direction starts to become a reality?

Chris

On Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 20:34 Cornelius Kibelka, <
cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> As Nicole Ebber already wrote a couple of weeks ago, we would like to give
> you some further information about the next Wikimedia Conference, that will
> take place from March 29–31, 2019 in Berlin, Germany.
>
> The next conference will focus on the Movement Strategy process and
> movement governance for the organized part of the movement in general. The
> program will be designed according to the status and needs of the ongoing
> Movement Strategy process and its working groups. We are hoping to see a
> diverse group of participants next year, and look forward to creating three
> days of working, discussing, and thinking together. The event is made
> possible through the generous financial support of the Wikimedia
> Foundation.
>
> Thus, to make it clearer that learning and capacity-building will not be
> part of the program and cut laces to the previous conference, we will
> change the name to “Wikimedia Summit” (#wmsummit).
>
> The change of the purpose of the event is accompanied by a change in the
> composition of the audience. The event will be a more focused one, and
> therefore we aim to scale down the audience to around 200 participants. As
> it is this still the Wikimedia affiliates conference, every _eligible_
> affiliate can send one (1) delegate. Furthermore, we will invite
> participants from the Wikimedia Affiliate EDs (~10), WMF Board of Trustees
> (10), WMF staff (~10), the committees (~15 from FDC, AffCom and Simple APG)
> and additional members of the Movement Strategy working groups, that do not
> come in another role (~20). You can find more information regarding this on
> Meta.[1]
>
> Registration for the Wikimedia Summit will open on November 2 and end on
> December 17, 2018. We urge participants that need a visa to register no
> later than November 19, so we can support them as best as possible to get a
> visa for the event.
>
> We will keep you updated in the further weeks and months via the usual
> communication channels. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate
> to contact us, preferably via wmsum...@wikimedia.de.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Daniela Gentner & Cornelius Kibelka
>
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Summit_2019/Eligibility_Criteria
>
> --
> Cornelius Kibelka
> Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC)
> for the Wikimedia Conference
>
> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin
> Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0
> http://wikimedia.de
>
> Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen
> Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei!
> http://spenden.wikimedia.de/
>
> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter
> der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für
> Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207
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[Wikimedia-l] Captioning Wikidata items?

[John Erling Blad]

Just a weird idea.

It is very interesting how neural nets can caption images. Quite
interesting. It is done by building a state-model of the image, that is
feed into a kind of neural net (RNN) and that net (a black box) will
transform the state-model into running text. In some cases the neural net
is steered. That is called an attention control, and it creates
relationship between parts in the image.

Swap out the image wit an item, and a virtually identical setup can
generate captions for items. The caption for an item is whats called the
description in Wikidata. It is also the first sentence with a lead-in in
Wikipedia articles. It is possible to steer the attention, that is to tell
the network what items should be used, and thus the later sentences will be
meaningful.

What that means is that we could create meaningful stub entries for the
article placeholder, that is the "AboutTopic" special page. We can't
automate this for very small projects, but somewhere between small and mid
sized languages it will start to make sense.

To make this work we need some very special knowledge, which we probably
don't have, like how to turn an item into a state-model by using the highly
specialized rdf2vec algorithm (hello Copenhagen) and verifying the stateful
language model (hello Helsinki and Tromsø).

I wonder if the only real problems are what do the community want, and what
is the acceptable error limit.

John Erling Blad
/jeblad
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2019: New name, new concept, eligbility criteria

[Jane Darnell]

Yes, +1 to "This move means we have more leverage to organize
thematic-based or
regional-based events, with open participation. We should make sure that
all those events involve "learning" elements. And we need more support
from WMF (other any affiliates) to organise the other events."

I did attend the Berlin conference in 2017 for the strategy sessions and
even there you tend to get overloaded with information while concentrating
on specific tasks. I think it's a good idea to split out gatherings into
specific elements and then spread them around the world, because it gets
exhausting to try to do everything everywhere and at the same time at these
multi-purpose events. Alternatively, perhaps some of the key players could
be asked to answer short interviews on specific topics, which would greatly
reduce the need to fly around all the time. I know from experience that the
quickest way to learn stuff is to sit at a computer next to someone in the
know. However you can only ask people to do that a limited number of times.
It gets to the point where one only wants to help the people who one is
100% certain are going to use what one teaches them...short videos on
Commons might help with that problem.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 9:07 AM Devouard (gmail) 
wrote:

> I think it is a very good move.
>
> Berlin conference has a big default, which is that, contrariwise to our
> mouvement, it is not inclusive. This is a closed conference where only
> specific people may go. That naturally let out a whole lot of people.
> All those who do great things, but who are not representative of an
> affiliate. Berlin has become so big that increasingly, many decisions
> are made over there, in a closed environment. And those who are not part
> it are missing opportunities to weight in. And with the increasing
> number of affiliates, making this closed conference a central point for
> thinking, sharing, learning, is likely to create a *huge* monster very
> difficult to organise and very costly.
>
> I hear you when you say "it was a great opportunity to share knowledge
> and train people". This is true. But there is no reason not to provide
> this opportunity in more venues or more regularly.
>
> This move means we have more leverage to organize thematic-based or
> regional-based events, with open participation. We should make sure that
> all those events involve "learning" elements. And we need more support
> from WMF (other any affiliates) to organise the other events.
>
> Florence
>
>
> Le 25/09/2018 à 23:28, Shani Evenstein a écrit :
> > Dear Cornelius,
> >
> > Could you please elaborate re the decision to not include learning and
> > capacity building?
> > Events where Wikimedians from around the world gather together do not
> > happen every day, and especially as there will be representatives from
> most
> > affiliates, this is a great opportunity to share knowledge and train
> people
> > so they can go back to their local communities and spread that knowledge.
> > Besides Wikimania, which not everyone can attend, this is the other
> biggest
> > event we have to do just that. Shouldn't we seize this opportunity,
> > considering that it takes so much time, effort and money to bring
> everyone
> > together?
> >
> > Thanks for shedding some light on this issue.
> >
> > Best,
> > Shani.
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 12:20 AM, Cornelius Kibelka <
> > cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Pine,
> >>
> >> yes, "the organized part of the movement" is another term to describe
> the
> >> part of the Wikimedia movement that includes the WMF, its committees and
> >> the affiliates.
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >> Cornelius
> >>
> >> On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 at 22:23, Pine W  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello Daniela and Cornelius,
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for this update.
> >>>
> >>> Can you clarify what you mean by "The next conference will focus on the
> >>> Movement Strategy process and
> >>> movement governance for the organized part of the movement in general"?
> >> Are
> >>> you referring to governance for the WMF and affiliates? Online
> Wikimedia
> >>> activities are organized in varying degrees, but many of those
> activities
> >>> are not included in the scope of affiliates or represented by
> affiliates.
> >>>
> >>> Pine
> >>> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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> >> for the Wikimedia Conference
> >>
> >> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin
> >> Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0
> >> http://wiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2019: New name, new concept, eligbility criteria

[Devouard (gmail)]

I think it is a very good move.

Berlin conference has a big default, which is that, contrariwise to our 
mouvement, it is not inclusive. This is a closed conference where only 
specific people may go. That naturally let out a whole lot of people. 
All those who do great things, but who are not representative of an 
affiliate. Berlin has become so big that increasingly, many decisions 
are made over there, in a closed environment. And those who are not part 
it are missing opportunities to weight in. And with the increasing 
number of affiliates, making this closed conference a central point for 
thinking, sharing, learning, is likely to create a *huge* monster very 
difficult to organise and very costly.


I hear you when you say "it was a great opportunity to share knowledge 
and train people". This is true. But there is no reason not to provide 
this opportunity in more venues or more regularly.


This move means we have more leverage to organize thematic-based or 
regional-based events, with open participation. We should make sure that 
all those events involve "learning" elements. And we need more support 
from WMF (other any affiliates) to organise the other events.


Florence


Le 25/09/2018 à 23:28, Shani Evenstein a écrit :

Dear Cornelius,

Could you please elaborate re the decision to not include learning and
capacity building?
Events where Wikimedians from around the world gather together do not
happen every day, and especially as there will be representatives from most
affiliates, this is a great opportunity to share knowledge and train people
so they can go back to their local communities and spread that knowledge.
Besides Wikimania, which not everyone can attend, this is the other biggest
event we have to do just that. Shouldn't we seize this opportunity,
considering that it takes so much time, effort and money to bring everyone
together?

Thanks for shedding some light on this issue.

Best,
Shani.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 12:20 AM, Cornelius Kibelka <
cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> wrote:


Dear Pine,

yes, "the organized part of the movement" is another term to describe the
part of the Wikimedia movement that includes the WMF, its committees and
the affiliates.

Best regards
Cornelius

On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 at 22:23, Pine W  wrote:


Hello Daniela and Cornelius,

Thank you for this update.

Can you clarify what you mean by "The next conference will focus on the
Movement Strategy process and
movement governance for the organized part of the movement in general"?

Are

you referring to governance for the WMF and affiliates? Online Wikimedia
activities are organized in varying degrees, but many of those activities
are not included in the scope of affiliates or represented by affiliates.

Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2019: New name, new concept, eligbility criteria

[Paulo Santos Perneta]

 Hi everybody,

Just a quick message to tell that, having experimented the former format of
the WMCON, I fully agree with Cornelius vision of the Summit. Though I
really loved the old format, I do agree it will be much more productive
this new way, and the funds are much better used on such a more focused
event. Also, the kind of people that work the strategy in the affiliates is
not necessarily (and often is not) the same that profits most from learning
and "capacity building" events.

Abraço,

Paulo

Cornelius Kibelka  escreveu no dia quarta,
26/09/2018 à(s) 10:05:

> Dear Shani,
>
> sure, I'm happy to explain my rationale. The decision has a longer
> rationale, based on our experiences from organizing the last Wikimedia
> Conferences with its usual format (as in 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018). Early
> this year, we have published a three year report (2015–2017) on the last
> Wikimedia Conferences.[1] As stated in this report, we came to the
> conclusion (among others[2]) that the format of having everything in one
> place (conversations about the future of the movement/Movement Strategy,
> learning/capacity-building, peer-to-peer exchange/networking, etc.) has its
> limits and doesn't work anymore.
>
> The Movement has grown a lot over the last years. That means also that the
> diversity among the conference participants became bigger and bigger, and
> it became increasingly hard to create a program based on the needs, wishes
> and experiences of the participants that satisfied all of them.
> Additionally, we think that learning on a global has its strong limits, as
> the knowledge shared is only applicable in really specific circumstances or
> is too general. Learning on regional, national, local or thematic events
> has proven to be more successful. The recent Community Engagement Insights
> survey gave a similar indication.[3]
>
> With a stronger focus of this event (and a complete change in this set-up:
> It's the platform for the Movement Strategy process, and not the other way
> around), there comes also a stronger support (and increase) of regional and
> thematic events, as agreed with the Wikimedia Foundation. I have talked
> with different organizers of regional events that agreed to focus stronger
> on capacity-building at their events.
>
> Thus, this decision does not come out of the blue. We have shared this
> report, I have shared this at other events (Wikimedia Conference 2018[4],
> Wikimania 2018[5]), it was shared previously on this mailing list, I have
> talked with most speakers of the Wikimedia Conference 2018, the Wikimedia
> Chapter EDs, the organizers of the upcoming regional conferences. Apart
> from some particular criticism, the feedback for this decision was
> basically unanimously positive.
>
> I hope that helps. Happy to answer any questions regarding this.
>
> Best regards,
> Cornelius
>
> [1]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference/2015%E2%80%932017_Report
> [2]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference/2015%E2%80%932017_Report/Conclusions
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference/2015%E2%80%932017_Report/Conclusions
> >
> [3]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Engagement_Insights/2018_Report#Community_Resources_team:_Local_and_regional_events_show_more_learning_and_building_skills_as_major_outcomes_than_larger_global_conferences,_while_Wikimania_excels_in_discovery_of_the_new
> [4]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Reading_material#Future_of_the_Wikimedia_Conference
> [5]
>
> https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program/We_learned_one_thing_from_organizing_the_Wikimedia_Conference._How_could_we_apply_this_in_the_Movement%3F
>
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 at 23:30, Shani Evenstein 
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Cornelius,
> >
> > Could you please elaborate re the decision to not include learning and
> > capacity building?
> > Events where Wikimedians from around the world gather together do not
> > happen every day, and especially as there will be representatives from
> most
> > affiliates, this is a great opportunity to share knowledge and train
> people
> > so they can go back to their local communities and spread that knowledge.
> > Besides Wikimania, which not everyone can attend, this is the other
> biggest
> > event we have to do just that. Shouldn't we seize this opportunity,
> > considering that it takes so much time, effort and money to bring
> everyone
> > together?
> >
> > Thanks for shedding some light on this issue.
> >
> > Best,
> > Shani.
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 12:20 AM, Cornelius Kibelka <
> > cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Pine,
> > >
> > > yes, "the organized part of the movement" is another term to describe
> the
> > > part of the Wikimedia movement that includes the WMF, its committees
> and
> > > the affiliates.
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > Cornelius
> > >
> > > On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 at 22:23, Pine W  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello Daniela and Cornelius,
>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2019: New name, new concept, eligbility criteria

[Cornelius Kibelka]

Dear Pine,

I beg to differ on two points:
As the Wikimedia Foundation is an essential part of this event, I don't
consider "Wikimedia Affiliates Summit" as more accurate. This event covers,
as mentioned before, the "organized (or "structured") part of the Wikimedia
movement". As 'Wikimedia Summit' has not been used before in the Wikimedia
movement (only for the 'Developers Summit'), I think this name is fresh,
unused, short and easy to understand.

While I have asked for feedback on the concept extensively via different
channels and opportunities, I think, it's not a wise decision to ask for
public comment for a renaming. I consider the name of a conference as one
of less relevant parts of organizing a conference. I would encourage to
give feedback on more relevant issues than the name of an event.

Best regards
Cornelius

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 at 07:42, Pine W  wrote:

> Hi Cornelius,
>
> Thank you for the clarification. I suggest a change of wording, because
> "the organized part of the movement" is much broader than WMF, its
> committees, and the affiliates. I suggest that a suitable name for the
> conference would be the "Wikimedia Affiliates Summit", which would be more
> accurate than the "Wikimedia Summit".
>
> In general, I think that it's best to ask for public comment before making
> significant changes such as renaming international conferences.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 9:20 PM Cornelius Kibelka <
> cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> wrote:
>
> > Dear Pine,
> >
> > yes, "the organized part of the movement" is another term to describe the
> > part of the Wikimedia movement that includes the WMF, its committees and
> > the affiliates.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Cornelius
> >
> > On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 at 22:23, Pine W  wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Daniela and Cornelius,
> > >
> > > Thank you for this update.
> > >
> > > Can you clarify what you mean by "The next conference will focus on the
> > > Movement Strategy process and
> > > movement governance for the organized part of the movement in general"?
> > Are
> > > you referring to governance for the WMF and affiliates? Online
> Wikimedia
> > > activities are organized in varying degrees, but many of those
> activities
> > > are not included in the scope of affiliates or represented by
> affiliates.
> > >
> > > Pine
> > > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2019: New name, new concept, eligbility criteria

[Cornelius Kibelka]

Dear Shani,

sure, I'm happy to explain my rationale. The decision has a longer
rationale, based on our experiences from organizing the last Wikimedia
Conferences with its usual format (as in 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018). Early
this year, we have published a three year report (2015–2017) on the last
Wikimedia Conferences.[1] As stated in this report, we came to the
conclusion (among others[2]) that the format of having everything in one
place (conversations about the future of the movement/Movement Strategy,
learning/capacity-building, peer-to-peer exchange/networking, etc.) has its
limits and doesn't work anymore.

The Movement has grown a lot over the last years. That means also that the
diversity among the conference participants became bigger and bigger, and
it became increasingly hard to create a program based on the needs, wishes
and experiences of the participants that satisfied all of them.
Additionally, we think that learning on a global has its strong limits, as
the knowledge shared is only applicable in really specific circumstances or
is too general. Learning on regional, national, local or thematic events
has proven to be more successful. The recent Community Engagement Insights
survey gave a similar indication.[3]

With a stronger focus of this event (and a complete change in this set-up:
It's the platform for the Movement Strategy process, and not the other way
around), there comes also a stronger support (and increase) of regional and
thematic events, as agreed with the Wikimedia Foundation. I have talked
with different organizers of regional events that agreed to focus stronger
on capacity-building at their events.

Thus, this decision does not come out of the blue. We have shared this
report, I have shared this at other events (Wikimedia Conference 2018[4],
Wikimania 2018[5]), it was shared previously on this mailing list, I have
talked with most speakers of the Wikimedia Conference 2018, the Wikimedia
Chapter EDs, the organizers of the upcoming regional conferences. Apart
from some particular criticism, the feedback for this decision was
basically unanimously positive.

I hope that helps. Happy to answer any questions regarding this.

Best regards,
Cornelius

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference/2015%E2%80%932017_Report
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference/2015%E2%80%932017_Report/Conclusions

[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Engagement_Insights/2018_Report#Community_Resources_team:_Local_and_regional_events_show_more_learning_and_building_skills_as_major_outcomes_than_larger_global_conferences,_while_Wikimania_excels_in_discovery_of_the_new
[4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Reading_material#Future_of_the_Wikimedia_Conference
[5]
https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program/We_learned_one_thing_from_organizing_the_Wikimedia_Conference._How_could_we_apply_this_in_the_Movement%3F

On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 at 23:30, Shani Evenstein  wrote:

> Dear Cornelius,
>
> Could you please elaborate re the decision to not include learning and
> capacity building?
> Events where Wikimedians from around the world gather together do not
> happen every day, and especially as there will be representatives from most
> affiliates, this is a great opportunity to share knowledge and train people
> so they can go back to their local communities and spread that knowledge.
> Besides Wikimania, which not everyone can attend, this is the other biggest
> event we have to do just that. Shouldn't we seize this opportunity,
> considering that it takes so much time, effort and money to bring everyone
> together?
>
> Thanks for shedding some light on this issue.
>
> Best,
> Shani.
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 12:20 AM, Cornelius Kibelka <
> cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> wrote:
>
> > Dear Pine,
> >
> > yes, "the organized part of the movement" is another term to describe the
> > part of the Wikimedia movement that includes the WMF, its committees and
> > the affiliates.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Cornelius
> >
> > On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 at 22:23, Pine W  wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Daniela and Cornelius,
> > >
> > > Thank you for this update.
> > >
> > > Can you clarify what you mean by "The next conference will focus on the
> > > Movement Strategy process and
> > > movement governance for the organized part of the movement in general"?
> > Are
> > > you referring to governance for the WMF and affiliates? Online
> Wikimedia
> > > activities are organized in varying degrees, but many of those
> activities
> > > are not included in the scope of affiliates or represented by
> affiliates.
> > >
> > > Pine
> > > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2019: New name, new concept, eligbility criteria

[fulb...@fulbert.org]

Thank you for the update and thinking through the changing direction of the 
2019 conference. 

I only wish that a different term than “Capacity Building” were used as 
something excluded from the upcoming conference, given that it is also the name 
of one of the Movement Strategy working groups. I know that is not what you 
meant, but the irony . . . 

-

With Incredulity toward Metanarratives, 

Jeffrey
User:FULBERT
fulb...@fulbert.org

> On Sep 25, 2018, at 3:34 PM, Cornelius Kibelka 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> As Nicole Ebber already wrote a couple of weeks ago, we would like to give
> you some further information about the next Wikimedia Conference, that will
> take place from March 29–31, 2019 in Berlin, Germany.
> 
> The next conference will focus on the Movement Strategy process and
> movement governance for the organized part of the movement in general. The
> program will be designed according to the status and needs of the ongoing
> Movement Strategy process and its working groups. We are hoping to see a
> diverse group of participants next year, and look forward to creating three
> days of working, discussing, and thinking together. The event is made
> possible through the generous financial support of the Wikimedia Foundation.
> 
> Thus, to make it clearer that learning and capacity-building will not be
> part of the program and cut laces to the previous conference, we will
> change the name to “Wikimedia Summit” (#wmsummit).
> 
> The change of the purpose of the event is accompanied by a change in the
> composition of the audience. The event will be a more focused one, and
> therefore we aim to scale down the audience to around 200 participants. As
> it is this still the Wikimedia affiliates conference, every _eligible_
> affiliate can send one (1) delegate. Furthermore, we will invite
> participants from the Wikimedia Affiliate EDs (~10), WMF Board of Trustees
> (10), WMF staff (~10), the committees (~15 from FDC, AffCom and Simple APG)
> and additional members of the Movement Strategy working groups, that do not
> come in another role (~20). You can find more information regarding this on
> Meta.[1]
> 
> Registration for the Wikimedia Summit will open on November 2 and end on
> December 17, 2018. We urge participants that need a visa to register no
> later than November 19, so we can support them as best as possible to get a
> visa for the event.
> 
> We will keep you updated in the further weeks and months via the usual
> communication channels. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate
> to contact us, preferably via wmsum...@wikimedia.de.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Daniela Gentner & Cornelius Kibelka
> 
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Summit_2019/Eligibility_Criteria
> 
> -- 
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> for the Wikimedia Conference
> 
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> Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0
> http://wikimedia.de
> 
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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Re: [Wiki-research-l] Results from 2018 global Wikimedia survey are published!

[80hnhtv4agou--- via Wikimedia-l]

I believe administrators outside of the US, in en wikipedia and in wikidata 
etc., 
 
do not understand, our freedom of speech and our right to due process, and 

that there is  a cultural misunderstanding and a lack of patience on there 
part, 

which leads to an abuse  of power  and a breaking of the rules when it comes 

to blocking  IP’s and others for  just standing up for themselves.  and to that 
end, 

do not see the good faith edits made, that  were not reverted, and based on 

other’s intelligent  level not there's.  Everything starts out nice, on tea 
room’s, 

noticeboards, forums, and on there talk pages etc.,  and then all goes south, 

as in en wikipedia, and with a now “conflict of interest” just block you,
 
to end it.
 
In wikidata which is more technically challenging, editors that claim ownership 

of pages and coming  from outside of north America and europe, revert on 

misunderstanding’s, and can not express themselves  in english, so just rely on 

administrators noticeboard to complain against IP’s without warning,
 
not giving the chance for the ip to defend himself, and to explain that it was 

an edit war.  administrators that see these posts at 100’s an hour, just block 

the IP’s or the pages without any kind of  investigation, based on lies of the 

accusers. and these same  administrators that have participated on
 
there talk pages are now in a “conflict of interest”, being  directly involved.
 
and in ru wikipedia, ru wikidata, english speakers are not welcome, from 

there board down to there users. 
 Forwarded message 
From: Pine W 
To: Wiki Research-l , Rosie 
Stephenson-Goodknight 
Date: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 10:08 PM -05:00
Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] Results from 2018 global Wikimedia survey are
published!

I'm appreciative that we're having this conversation - not in the sense
that I'm happy with the status quo, but I'm glad that some of us are
continuing to work on our persistent difficulties with contributor
retention, civility, and diversity.

I've spent several hours on ENWP recently, and I've been surprised by the
willingness of people to revert good-faith edits, sometimes with blunt
commentary or with no explanation. I can understand how a newbie who
experienced even one of these incidents would find it to be unpleasant,
intimidating, or discouraging. Based on these experiences, I've decided
that I should coach newbies to avoid taking reversions personally if their
original contributions were in good faith.

I agree with Jonathan Morgan that WP:NOTSOCIAL can be overused.

Kerry, I appreciate your suggestions about about cultural change. I can
think of two ways to influence culture on English Wikipedia in large-scale
ways.

1. I think that there should be more and higher-quality training and
continuing education for administrators in topics like policies, conflict
resolution, communications skills, legal issues, and setting good examples.
I think that these trainings would be one way through which cultural change
could gradually happen over time. For what it's worth, I think that there
are many excellent administrators who do a lot of good work (which can be
tedious and/or stressful) with little appreciation. Also, my impression is
that ENWP Arbcom has become more willing over the years to remove admin
privileges from admins who misuse their tools. I recall having a discussion
awhile back with Rosie on the topic of training for administrators, and I'm
adding her to this email chain as an invitation for her to participate in
this discussion. I think that offering training to administrators could be
helpful in facilitating changes to ENWP culture.

2. I think that I can encourage civil participation in ENWP in the context
of my training project
< 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid/Pine/Continuation_of_educational_video_and_website_project
 >
that I'm hoping that WMF will continue to fund. ENWP is a complex and
sometimes emotionally difficult environment, and I'm trying to set a tone
in the online training materials that is encouraging. I hope to teach
newbies about the goals of Wikipedia as well as policies, how to use tools,
and Wikipedia culture. I am hopeful that the online training materials will
improve the confidence of new contributors, improve the retention of new
contributors, and help new editors to increase the quality and quantity of
their contributions. I hope that early portions of the project will be well
received and that, over time and if the project is successful as it
incrementally increases in scale and reach, that it will influence the
overall culture of ENWP to be more civil.

Regards,

Pine
(  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Suspensions of affiliates

[GoEthe.wiki]

 >We expect, however, to at least be told that you're planning to ignore our
>request.  To simply thank us for clarifying it, as you did, while secretly
>having no intention of complying with it in the first place is hardly
>something one does when negotiating in good faith.

Just to clarify this point, whenever the board of WMPT (which consists of
me, André and Ana [before Béria]) was unable to comply due to legal or
logistic reasons we have clearly informed AffCom, and we did not ever
failed to comply with your requests, even if we did not like them or felt
they were uncalled for.

We have limitations that we are aware of, and have no problem admiting to
them. But we have shown nothing but good faith throughout this process.

I also think that AffCom is acting of good faith, just so I am not
misinterpreted, and I understand why they have tried to remain neutral in
what, to them, seemed like an internal struggle for power.

For me it was nothing of that sort, but the board of WMPT is not interested
at this time to keep revisiting these issues, and once we have fulfilled
the last step, which is to present a plan for capacity building (currently
in draft at https://pt.wikimedia.org/wiki/Plano_de_capacitação_2018), we
expect to be treated as a fully functioning chapter up to date with their
obligations.

Regards,
Gonçalo Themudo

*Presidente*
*Wikimedia Portugal*
*Email: *goethe.w...@gmail.com
*Website: *http://pt.wikimedia.org 
*Imagine um mundo onde cada ser humano pode partilhar livremente a soma de
todo o conhecimento, na sua própria língua.*
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