Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: Wikimedia's new Chief of Community Engagement

[Eileen Hershenov]

Dear Maggie,

Your talent, commitment, creativity, unflagging energy and love of all
things Wikimedia, combined with your incredible sense of justice (and sense
of humor!) made you one of my north starts while working at WMF.  I have
seldom had the chance to work with someone I so like and admire.

Get some rest now!

xx,
Eileen

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On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 5:53 PM Samuel Klein  wrote:

> Superb.  Thank you Katherine, Maggie + all;  and a warm welcome, Valerie!
> :)
>
> MS: and ID: remain excellent areas for language outreach; we're privileged
> to have a strong community network there.
>
> SJ
>
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 4:19 PM camelia boban 
> wrote:
>
> > Congratulations both and welcome Valerie. Wish you a wonderful work with
> > the Wikimedians community.
> >
> > Camelia,
> > on behalf of WikiDonne UG and AffCom
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 8:32 PM Philippe Beaudette  > wrote:
> >
> > > Sounds like an amazing fit for the Wmf. Congrats to you all, and
> > Maggie...
> > > Take a break now. Good job.
> > >
> > > Philippe
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 10:36 AM Maggie Dennis  > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello, all.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 1:32 PM Katherine Maher <
> kma...@wikimedia.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > Just over a month ago, we let you know that we had the reached the
> > > final
> > > > > stages of our search for a new Chief of Community Engagement.[1]
> > > Today, I
> > > > > am thrilled to let you know that we have appointed Valerie D’Costa
> to
> > > the
> > > > > role.
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > I just wanted to follow up myself on Katherine’s note to voice my
> > > > enthusiastic and excited congratulations to Valerie on joining us and
> > > also
> > > > to congratulate *us* on being joined by Valerie. Being part of the
> > search
> > > > panel looking for our next Chief of Community Engagement was an
> > > interesting
> > > > and illuminating experience; so many people with so many new...and
> > > > different...approaches. I was absolutely electrified when I completed
> > my
> > > > first interview with Valerie, whose considerate and experienced
> > approach
> > > to
> > > > community resonated with me immediately and deeply. I cannot wait for
> > the
> > > > opportunity to work with her in her new role. To those of you who
> > haven’t
> > > > yet: you’ll see what I mean when you meet her. :)
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > > Maggie
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Maggie Dennis
> > > > Chief of Community Engagement (for just a little while longer!)
> > > > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: Wikimedia's new Chief of Community Engagement

[Samuel Klein]

Superb.  Thank you Katherine, Maggie + all;  and a warm welcome, Valerie!
:)

MS: and ID: remain excellent areas for language outreach; we're privileged
to have a strong community network there.

SJ

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 4:19 PM camelia boban 
wrote:

> Congratulations both and welcome Valerie. Wish you a wonderful work with
> the Wikimedians community.
>
> Camelia,
> on behalf of WikiDonne UG and AffCom
>
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 8:32 PM Philippe Beaudette  wrote:
>
> > Sounds like an amazing fit for the Wmf. Congrats to you all, and
> Maggie...
> > Take a break now. Good job.
> >
> > Philippe
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 10:36 AM Maggie Dennis  wrote:
> >
> > > Hello, all.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 1:32 PM Katherine Maher 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > Just over a month ago, we let you know that we had the reached the
> > final
> > > > stages of our search for a new Chief of Community Engagement.[1]
> > Today, I
> > > > am thrilled to let you know that we have appointed Valerie D’Costa to
> > the
> > > > role.
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > I just wanted to follow up myself on Katherine’s note to voice my
> > > enthusiastic and excited congratulations to Valerie on joining us and
> > also
> > > to congratulate *us* on being joined by Valerie. Being part of the
> search
> > > panel looking for our next Chief of Community Engagement was an
> > interesting
> > > and illuminating experience; so many people with so many new...and
> > > different...approaches. I was absolutely electrified when I completed
> my
> > > first interview with Valerie, whose considerate and experienced
> approach
> > to
> > > community resonated with me immediately and deeply. I cannot wait for
> the
> > > opportunity to work with her in her new role. To those of you who
> haven’t
> > > yet: you’ll see what I mean when you meet her. :)
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Maggie
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Maggie Dennis
> > > Chief of Community Engagement (for just a little while longer!)
> > > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: Wikimedia's new Chief of Community Engagement

[camelia boban]

Congratulations both and welcome Valerie. Wish you a wonderful work with
the Wikimedians community.

Camelia,
on behalf of WikiDonne UG and AffCom

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 8:32 PM Philippe Beaudette  Sounds like an amazing fit for the Wmf. Congrats to you all, and Maggie...
> Take a break now. Good job.
>
> Philippe
>
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 10:36 AM Maggie Dennis 
> > Hello, all.
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 1:32 PM Katherine Maher 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > Just over a month ago, we let you know that we had the reached the
> final
> > > stages of our search for a new Chief of Community Engagement.[1]
> Today, I
> > > am thrilled to let you know that we have appointed Valerie D’Costa to
> the
> > > role.
> >
> > 
> >
> > I just wanted to follow up myself on Katherine’s note to voice my
> > enthusiastic and excited congratulations to Valerie on joining us and
> also
> > to congratulate *us* on being joined by Valerie. Being part of the search
> > panel looking for our next Chief of Community Engagement was an
> interesting
> > and illuminating experience; so many people with so many new...and
> > different...approaches. I was absolutely electrified when I completed my
> > first interview with Valerie, whose considerate and experienced approach
> to
> > community resonated with me immediately and deeply. I cannot wait for the
> > opportunity to work with her in her new role. To those of you who haven’t
> > yet: you’ll see what I mean when you meet her. :)
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Maggie
> >
> >
> > --
> > Maggie Dennis
> > Chief of Community Engagement (for just a little while longer!)
> > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads

[Joseph Seddon]

Dear all,


The fundraising team genuinely hears and appreciates all the feedback we've
received about this mobile banner. For the past week and a half  - for the
majority of our mobile campaign - we have been extensively working and
acting on that feedback to reduce the length of this banner, emphasize the
ability to skip the content, and improve accessibility across the board.


For our mobile large banners, we've been focusing on three things:


* Removing the bottom fixed element reminder banner - DONE


* Reducing the length of the banner ---In Progress--- Last week we make
some changes to the text reducing the appeal by 5% and over the weekend we
reduced the overall length of the banner by 18% on phones through extensive
but subtle design changes. There are more changes to come in this area.


* Making it clearer to users that they are able to SKIP the banner ---In
Progress--- We've already altered the language in the toolbar. There are
more potential changes and tests to come in this area


* Ensuring that the banners are suitable for users who access us through
accessibility software. - DONE - The same options to skip the banner were
always presented to users of accessibility software. We've also made
changes to the underlying structure of the banner to improve navigation by
these users.


The fundraising team works extensively in a data driven manner but I must
emphasise that doesn't mean that we don't listen to community feedback. The
very opposite. It means that we work very hard to ensure that the changes
the community seeks drives our work and this feedback has been the main
focus of our work for much of the last week.


I’ll update on further changes asap.


Regards

Seddon




On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 4:52 PM GorillaWarfare <
gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I feel a little bad raising this because I know there was some community
> vetting of fundraising initiatives that I ignored, but please forgive me. I
> brought this up in the Wikimedia Weekly Facebook group asking where best to
> raise the issue, and it was suggested I post here.
>
> I was looking something up on my phone just now, apparently not logged in
> to Wikipedia, and I discovered that mobile users in the US (and presumably
> elsewhere) are being shown enormous ads. It took four full page scrolls for
> me to reach the content of the article I was hoping to read. Even once I
> made it past the ads at the top of the page, I was greeted with a pop-in
> banner from the bottom of the page, as if I could possibly have not noticed
> the four pages of text asking me to donate. (Screenshots attached).
>
> I understand that we need donations to keep the site running and all, but
> this seems excessive. I particularly worry for people who use assistive
> technology who are having to listen to or try to skip through four pages'
> worth of text-to-speech before they can get to what they want to know. The
> WMF needs donations, but I think we need to weigh the need for cash against
> the goal of providing free and accessible information to our readers. A
> couple of page scrolls might not seem like much, but I assume if they're
> off-putting to me (a reader with good vision and generally high tolerance
> for WMF money pleas) they'll be off-putting to others.
>
> So much of this text could be cut out. I work for a marketing/sales company
> in a non-marketing role, and I've heard from colleagues that it's
> frustrating when people writing copy like this hear from people who are not
> educated about appealing to people, so I don't pretend to know better than
> you at the WMF or your consultants about how to write good donation copy.
> But to my (admittedly uneducated eye), copy like "It's a little awkward to
> ask you, this Friday, as we're sure you are busy and we don't want to
> interrupt you." and "We can't afford to feel embarrassed, asking you to
> make a donation—just like you should never feel embarrassed when you have
> to ask Wikipedia for information." seems like at best it's not adding
> anything besides more words to have to scroll past, and at worst it's
> pretty cringey to read. Are you really expecting people will read all four
> pages?
>
> – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: Wikimedia's new Chief of Community Engagement

[Philippe Beaudette]

Sounds like an amazing fit for the Wmf. Congrats to you all, and Maggie...
Take a break now. Good job.

Philippe

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 10:36 AM Maggie Dennis  Hello, all.
>
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 1:32 PM Katherine Maher 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Just over a month ago, we let you know that we had the reached the final
> > stages of our search for a new Chief of Community Engagement.[1] Today, I
> > am thrilled to let you know that we have appointed Valerie D’Costa to the
> > role.
>
> 
>
> I just wanted to follow up myself on Katherine’s note to voice my
> enthusiastic and excited congratulations to Valerie on joining us and also
> to congratulate *us* on being joined by Valerie. Being part of the search
> panel looking for our next Chief of Community Engagement was an interesting
> and illuminating experience; so many people with so many new...and
> different...approaches. I was absolutely electrified when I completed my
> first interview with Valerie, whose considerate and experienced approach to
> community resonated with me immediately and deeply. I cannot wait for the
> opportunity to work with her in her new role. To those of you who haven’t
> yet: you’ll see what I mean when you meet her. :)
>
> Best,
>
> Maggie
>
>
> --
> Maggie Dennis
> Chief of Community Engagement (for just a little while longer!)
> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: Wikimedia's new Chief of Community Engagement

[Maggie Dennis]

Hello, all.

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 1:32 PM Katherine Maher 
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Just over a month ago, we let you know that we had the reached the final
> stages of our search for a new Chief of Community Engagement.[1] Today, I
> am thrilled to let you know that we have appointed Valerie D’Costa to the
> role.



I just wanted to follow up myself on Katherine’s note to voice my
enthusiastic and excited congratulations to Valerie on joining us and also
to congratulate *us* on being joined by Valerie. Being part of the search
panel looking for our next Chief of Community Engagement was an interesting
and illuminating experience; so many people with so many new...and
different...approaches. I was absolutely electrified when I completed my
first interview with Valerie, whose considerate and experienced approach to
community resonated with me immediately and deeply. I cannot wait for the
opportunity to work with her in her new role. To those of you who haven’t
yet: you’ll see what I mean when you meet her. :)

Best,

Maggie


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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] This Month in GLAM: November 2018

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Armenia report: Singing Wikipedia; Photographs by Vahan Kochar
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Brazil report: Diverse milestones for the Brazilian community
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Denmark report: Intercontinental digitisation efforts
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France report: Bibliothèque publique d’information; 3D museum collections
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Indonesia report: Conserving and digitizing texts in West Sumatra
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Macedonia report: Wiki Training at National and University Library "St.
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New Zealand report: Equity, Wikidata, and the New York Times
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Norway report: Collaboration with The National Archives of Norway
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Philippines report: Wiki Loves Art
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Poland report: Archival image uploads, student collaborations and
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Serbia report: Photo finish of the WIR's
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Sweden report: The Swedish Performing Arts Agency; Library data starts to
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Wikipedia Library report: Books & Bytes–Issue 31, October–November 2018
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WMF GLAM report: Welcoming Satdeep Gill; Structured Data on Commons;
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[Wikimedia-l] Announcement: Wikimedia's new Chief of Community Engagement

[Katherine Maher]

Hi everyone,

Just over a month ago, we let you know that we had the reached the final
stages of our search for a new Chief of Community Engagement.[1] Today, I
am thrilled to let you know that we have appointed Valerie D’Costa to the
role. Born and raised a citizen of Singapore, Valerie speaks fluent Malay
and Indonesian, in addition to English. She will join the Foundation
starting January 22, 2019, working remotely from Washington, DC.

Valerie joins us after a decade at the World Bank Group, where she was
charged with leading international initiatives to support communities of
entrepreneurs in emerging markets around the world. Most recently, she led
the Bank’s Women’s Economic Empowerment Program, where she helped female
entrepreneurs and women-led businesses in developing countries grow and
gain access to new market opportunities. Previously, she was the program
director of infoDev, a Bank program that supported innovation hubs and
technology incubators for entrepreneurs in developing countries. Prior to
the World Bank, Valerie spent 15 years working with the government of
Singapore on issues of international information and communications
technology (ICT) policy and trade.

Valerie has worked her whole career in the intersection between technology
and improving people's lives around the world. She brings a deep
understanding of the importance of local ownership, collaboration and
communication, and program sustainability. She emphasizes the importance of
collaboration with local communities in designing programs and approaches,
believing that local voices represent the best understanding of their own
needs.

We were looking for someone with a global perspective, international
experience, fluency in technology, and a deep empathy for community. We
wanted a diplomat: Valerie has struck the fine balance between being an
advocate for the people and communicating their needs to governments and
partners. We hoped for an ambassador: Valerie brings with her years of
experience in creating meaningful conversations with communities around the
world on behalf of those who have been traditionally excluded from
development planning. We found a dedicated leader who is keen to work in
service to our community and who understands the uniquely global,
multicultural nature of collaboration in our movement. Valerie knows that
we can not attempt achieve our 2030 strategic direction unless we bring
everyone along, and so she will be charged with building on our approach to
community engagement, and ensuring that we meet our aspirations for our
community growth, health, diversity, values, and program outcomes.

This means that Maggie Dennis, our current Chief of Community Engagement,
will now transition to her role as Vice President of Support & Services,
having set a (reluctant) personal best and Foundation record as the
longest-serving CCE! I truly love working with Maggie and am so glad she is
staying close by in such a critical position. After nearly three years (!)
of collaboration and cooperation, I’d like to once again express my deep
appreciation for Maggie’s understanding, friendship, support and dedication
as she patiently curated this essential role in our movement.

I am truly excited as we embark on this new journey. We are deeply
fortunate to now have two community leaders who are purpose-driven and
inspirational on a number of levels. Please join me in congratulating both
of these phenomenal women!

Katherine

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads

[Amir Sarabadani]

Even I agree we need more donations from mobile but more aggressive banners
doesn't usually lead to more donations coming. At least, if it's more
aggressive than a certain threshold and I think these banners pass that
threshold by far.
Best


On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 5:00 PM David Gerard  wrote:

> I've had people complaining to me personally about the multiple-page
> fundraising banners on mobile, like I can do anything about them ...
> this is really deeply pissing people off.
>
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 15:03, Joseph Seddon  wrote:
> >
> > Hi James,
> >
> > As I mentioned in my original reply to Molly, Desktop page views have
> been
> > in decline for the past 2-3 years from 4.36 billion (Oct 2016) to 3.64
> > billion (Oct 2018). Likewise, the relative effectiveness as of mobile as
> a
> > fundraising platform has historically been substantially lower compared
> > with desktop. So with future budget growth in mind and a desktop
> > fundraising environment that will become increasingly difficult, we’ve
> been
> > working hard to ensure that as user behaviors shift we are well prepared
> > and that the future of the movement is safeguarded.
> >
> > Regards
> > Seddon
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 5:14 AM James Salsman 
> wrote:
> >
> > > For those of you who have not seen the mobile fundraising banner this
> > > year, and thus are uncertain of what all the fuss is about, here is an
> > > example:
> > >
> > > https://i.imgur.com/wL4Y5dl.png
> > >
> > > The fundraising message literally takes 4.5 screens that have to be
> > > scrolled through to get to the article. I don't think its accurately
> > > reflected with how desktop browsers render the example given by the
> > > Fundraising team at
> > >
> > >
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA?banner=B1819_0701_mlWW_mob_p1_lg_template=1=US
> > > which is only a little over one screenful before the article text on
> > > typical landscape-shaped desktop browser rendering.
> > >
> > > In years past, it seemed like the fundraising team was more
> > > forthcoming about their choices and the reasons for making them. Has
> > > anyone inside or outside of the Foundation seen any explanation of why
> > > so much text, with such odd formatting, is necessary on mobile this
> > > year?
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 8:44 AM Samuel Klein  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I love the focus on mobile and smaller format interfaces, quite
> > > generally;
> > > > it's increasingly how I use the projects too!
> > > >
> > > > A)  This banner-text-series is clearly impactful, gave me a bit of a
> jump
> > > > scare, and got me to read it to find out why. I'm still not sure how
> I
> > > feel
> > > > about it.
> > > > ~ Visual effect: Messages that flow smoothly in and out of the
> reading
> > > > experience are even nicer.
> > > > ~ Message: Is there an estimate of the total impact on all readers,
> as
> > > well
> > > > as total effective fundraising?  If there is a very effective
> > > > compact/delightful banner, and an even more effective
> large/ambivalent
> > > > one, is there some internal calculus about the overal impact of
> running
> > > the
> > > > former for longer vs. the latter for a short period?
> > > > I'd like to think the best possible messages inspire and delight
> and
> > > > draw on positive emotions while raising funds, including for those
> who
> > > > don't donate, even if they do not yield the most donations per view.
> > > >
> > > > B)  The tracking of whether I've donated, when choosing to show or
> not
> > > show
> > > > me banners, is definitely lacking.  Part of this is that we have
> taken an
> > > > overly-paranoid approach to gathering and anonymizing user data.  It
> is
> > > > entirely possible to cluster users for the purposes of
> > > > not-continuing-to-show-banners (maintain a dictionary of
> > > > user-fingerprint-hashes-already-seen, check to see if the current
> user is
> > > > in there, don't show banners if they are) without being able to see
> what
> > > > pages a given user is viewing.
> > > >
> > > > I wrote more about this here:
> > > >
> > >
> https://blogs.harvard.edu/sj/2018/07/25/anonymizing-data-on-the-users-of-wikipedia/
> > > >  Please consider doing this; it is really hurting the
> user-experience of
> > > > the wiki projects (not only in this instance -- in so many other
> basic
> > > > instances of usage stats + testing over time!), for no benefit to
> anyone.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads

[David Gerard]

I've had people complaining to me personally about the multiple-page
fundraising banners on mobile, like I can do anything about them ...
this is really deeply pissing people off.

On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 15:03, Joseph Seddon  wrote:
>
> Hi James,
>
> As I mentioned in my original reply to Molly, Desktop page views have been
> in decline for the past 2-3 years from 4.36 billion (Oct 2016) to 3.64
> billion (Oct 2018). Likewise, the relative effectiveness as of mobile as a
> fundraising platform has historically been substantially lower compared
> with desktop. So with future budget growth in mind and a desktop
> fundraising environment that will become increasingly difficult, we’ve been
> working hard to ensure that as user behaviors shift we are well prepared
> and that the future of the movement is safeguarded.
>
> Regards
> Seddon
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 5:14 AM James Salsman  wrote:
>
> > For those of you who have not seen the mobile fundraising banner this
> > year, and thus are uncertain of what all the fuss is about, here is an
> > example:
> >
> > https://i.imgur.com/wL4Y5dl.png
> >
> > The fundraising message literally takes 4.5 screens that have to be
> > scrolled through to get to the article. I don't think its accurately
> > reflected with how desktop browsers render the example given by the
> > Fundraising team at
> >
> > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA?banner=B1819_0701_mlWW_mob_p1_lg_template=1=US
> > which is only a little over one screenful before the article text on
> > typical landscape-shaped desktop browser rendering.
> >
> > In years past, it seemed like the fundraising team was more
> > forthcoming about their choices and the reasons for making them. Has
> > anyone inside or outside of the Foundation seen any explanation of why
> > so much text, with such odd formatting, is necessary on mobile this
> > year?
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 8:44 AM Samuel Klein  wrote:
> > >
> > > I love the focus on mobile and smaller format interfaces, quite
> > generally;
> > > it's increasingly how I use the projects too!
> > >
> > > A)  This banner-text-series is clearly impactful, gave me a bit of a jump
> > > scare, and got me to read it to find out why. I'm still not sure how I
> > feel
> > > about it.
> > > ~ Visual effect: Messages that flow smoothly in and out of the reading
> > > experience are even nicer.
> > > ~ Message: Is there an estimate of the total impact on all readers, as
> > well
> > > as total effective fundraising?  If there is a very effective
> > > compact/delightful banner, and an even more effective large/ambivalent
> > > one, is there some internal calculus about the overal impact of running
> > the
> > > former for longer vs. the latter for a short period?
> > > I'd like to think the best possible messages inspire and delight and
> > > draw on positive emotions while raising funds, including for those who
> > > don't donate, even if they do not yield the most donations per view.
> > >
> > > B)  The tracking of whether I've donated, when choosing to show or not
> > show
> > > me banners, is definitely lacking.  Part of this is that we have taken an
> > > overly-paranoid approach to gathering and anonymizing user data.  It is
> > > entirely possible to cluster users for the purposes of
> > > not-continuing-to-show-banners (maintain a dictionary of
> > > user-fingerprint-hashes-already-seen, check to see if the current user is
> > > in there, don't show banners if they are) without being able to see what
> > > pages a given user is viewing.
> > >
> > > I wrote more about this here:
> > >
> > https://blogs.harvard.edu/sj/2018/07/25/anonymizing-data-on-the-users-of-wikipedia/
> > >  Please consider doing this; it is really hurting the user-experience of
> > > the wiki projects (not only in this instance -- in so many other basic
> > > instances of usage stats + testing over time!), for no benefit to anyone.
> > > ___
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads

[Joseph Seddon]

Hi James,

As I mentioned in my original reply to Molly, Desktop page views have been
in decline for the past 2-3 years from 4.36 billion (Oct 2016) to 3.64
billion (Oct 2018). Likewise, the relative effectiveness as of mobile as a
fundraising platform has historically been substantially lower compared
with desktop. So with future budget growth in mind and a desktop
fundraising environment that will become increasingly difficult, we’ve been
working hard to ensure that as user behaviors shift we are well prepared
and that the future of the movement is safeguarded.

Regards
Seddon



On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 5:14 AM James Salsman  wrote:

> For those of you who have not seen the mobile fundraising banner this
> year, and thus are uncertain of what all the fuss is about, here is an
> example:
>
> https://i.imgur.com/wL4Y5dl.png
>
> The fundraising message literally takes 4.5 screens that have to be
> scrolled through to get to the article. I don't think its accurately
> reflected with how desktop browsers render the example given by the
> Fundraising team at
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA?banner=B1819_0701_mlWW_mob_p1_lg_template=1=US
> which is only a little over one screenful before the article text on
> typical landscape-shaped desktop browser rendering.
>
> In years past, it seemed like the fundraising team was more
> forthcoming about their choices and the reasons for making them. Has
> anyone inside or outside of the Foundation seen any explanation of why
> so much text, with such odd formatting, is necessary on mobile this
> year?
>
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 8:44 AM Samuel Klein  wrote:
> >
> > I love the focus on mobile and smaller format interfaces, quite
> generally;
> > it's increasingly how I use the projects too!
> >
> > A)  This banner-text-series is clearly impactful, gave me a bit of a jump
> > scare, and got me to read it to find out why. I'm still not sure how I
> feel
> > about it.
> > ~ Visual effect: Messages that flow smoothly in and out of the reading
> > experience are even nicer.
> > ~ Message: Is there an estimate of the total impact on all readers, as
> well
> > as total effective fundraising?  If there is a very effective
> > compact/delightful banner, and an even more effective large/ambivalent
> > one, is there some internal calculus about the overal impact of running
> the
> > former for longer vs. the latter for a short period?
> > I'd like to think the best possible messages inspire and delight and
> > draw on positive emotions while raising funds, including for those who
> > don't donate, even if they do not yield the most donations per view.
> >
> > B)  The tracking of whether I've donated, when choosing to show or not
> show
> > me banners, is definitely lacking.  Part of this is that we have taken an
> > overly-paranoid approach to gathering and anonymizing user data.  It is
> > entirely possible to cluster users for the purposes of
> > not-continuing-to-show-banners (maintain a dictionary of
> > user-fingerprint-hashes-already-seen, check to see if the current user is
> > in there, don't show banners if they are) without being able to see what
> > pages a given user is viewing.
> >
> > I wrote more about this here:
> >
> https://blogs.harvard.edu/sj/2018/07/25/anonymizing-data-on-the-users-of-wikipedia/
> >  Please consider doing this; it is really hurting the user-experience of
> > the wiki projects (not only in this instance -- in so many other basic
> > instances of usage stats + testing over time!), for no benefit to anyone.
> > ___
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia+Education Conference. April 2019 Donostia-San Sebastián

[Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga]

Dear all,
Basque Wikimedians User Group is happy to announce the celebration of the first 
Wikimedia+Education Conference, next April 2019 in Donostia. It will be a 
full-weekend Conference to talk about the relation between Wikimedia and our 
education projects, and the way Education is being shaped by Wikimedia.

Call for programme submissions and scholarships is now open, so we hope to have 
your input in this exciting event. All the information can be found here: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia%2BEducation_Conference_2019


Thanks for your interest

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads

[AntiCompositeNumber]

Pageviews isn't a good metric for this, because it isn't measuring the
people who load a Wikipedia page, see an obnoxious banner, and then
click away without reading the content. That's still a pageview and a
reader lost.
On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 1:17 AM Peter Southwood
 wrote:
>
> It is slightly less repellent than some I have seen in the past, but in 
> general I concur.
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
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> Of MZMcBride
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> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads
>
> James Salsman wrote:
> >For those of you who have not seen the mobile fundraising banner this
> >year, and thus are uncertain of what all the fuss is about, here is an
> >example:
> >
> >https://i.imgur.com/wL4Y5dl.png
>
> Hi.
>
> This type of advertising is noxious and unacceptable. It should be revised
> or taken down as soon as possible.
>
> MZMcBride
>
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